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Flash68 03-25-2014 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gerno (Post 543311)
I went ahead and had Tire Rack send the tires to Formula 43 and they mounted them for me. When they get here today they will be ready to put on the car. I was too nervous letting a local tire shop mount them for the first time. Good to know Discount in Lakeway can do them next when I where these out.

You will likely need a local source at some point so I'd suggest getting one of the exotic car forums (6speedonline or similar) and see who they use locally.

Actually, now that I think of it, just ask SW. :idea:

gerno 03-25-2014 07:02 PM

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Got the wheels and like the full combo. I was nervous of the wheel depth but really like the the more shallow rear rim rather than a huge lip. I also really like the 18/19" combo. I think the sizing looks perfect on the car and would do it again in a heartbeat.

There are 2 issues but they can be addressed
  1. The tolerance for the rear hub is too tight so the wheels don't fit all the way on.
I'm either going to need to send them back to have the hubs bored out or machine down the hub flanges and add 1/4" spacers. I went concervative on the spacing to allow more clearance with the quarter panels so there is room to space out but it's still a little frustrating.
  1. With the lower ride height that looks awesome the wheels could have used a little more BS.
I'm going to change the inner fenders one more to allow from more clearance. Think I'm going to cut out the entire edge and rather than try to reshape and weld it I'm going to simply fiberglass the edge.

Time for the pics. I'll try to get better ones in the morning.

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ma73z 03-25-2014 07:25 PM

Very nice! :popcorn2:

glassman 03-25-2014 07:31 PM

yep looking great Steve. Love the stance.....cant wait to see the pics in the daylight.

gerno 03-25-2014 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ma73z (Post 543385)
Very nice! :popcorn2:

Thanks

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Originally Posted by glassman (Post 543387)
yep looking great Steve. Love the stance.....cant wait to see the pics in the daylight.

Don't worry, I will. I love the stance too, unfortunately as it sits you can't really turn the wheel.... nothing a small spring adjustment and more cutting won't fix....

WSSix 03-25-2014 08:03 PM

Gorgeous! I hope I can get my stance down low. I see cars like your car and just drool.

GregWeld 03-26-2014 05:54 AM

Those look great Steve!


I know how worried you were... but they turned out awesome.

Payton King 03-26-2014 06:04 AM

I would not be worried about running a spacer on those. Also on the speedway hub is it the standard Ford size register of 3.06? Did you have the wheels made for a Chevy register of 2.78?

If the material is there, I would have the hubs turned down. Had to to do that on my Moser rear for the yellow car I had.

gerno 03-26-2014 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by WSSix (Post 543392)
Gorgeous! I hope I can get my stance down low. I see cars like your car and just drool.

Thanks, I like it low too. Now I just have to figure out the other issue, exhaust...

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 543441)
Those look great Steve!


I know how worried you were... but they turned out awesome.

Thanks Greg. I am pretty happy with them but still think a few small changes would have made them perfect. The real test comes on the track so I'll leave it until then.

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Originally Posted by Payton King (Post 543445)
I would not be worried about running a spacer on those. Also on the speedway hub is it the standard Ford size register of 3.06? Did you have the wheels made for a Chevy register of 2.78?

If the material is there, I would have the hubs turned down. Had to to do that on my Moser rear for the yellow car I had.

No, I would not have such an issues with the 2.78" diameter. I gave Travis a rough measurement of 2.5" x1.5" which is the end of the hub and told him it was the Speedway Mod-Lite hub. I thought incorrectly they had cut wheels for the hubs before and knew the specs so they could leave plenty of clearance.. Instead he took my rough measurement and added .003" for clearance. Completely my fault for assuming, I should have given detailed specs for every dimension of the wheels I needed and not made any assumptions. This was my first time to buy expensive custom wheels so I didn't know any better. Hopefully in a few years when I save up the money again to build another car I'll be much more detailed when making my purchase.

I think I could shave ~.030" off the hub (Will call Speedway today) and run the 3.06" inner diameter spacer to clear the radius without issue. It will be tight but I think there will be enough clearance. Expansion of the metal when hot is my greatest concern. Just frustrating given I'm already well over budget both time and money wise.

Payton King 03-26-2014 07:14 AM

Wheels look great! I am sure you can get it worked out.

gerno 03-26-2014 07:25 AM

Talked to Speedway. The drive plates are hardened so they can't be turned. They can be ground but anything more than .01" is not recomended since it may cause cracking near the bolts holding the dust caps. Looks like the wheels will be headed back to Michigan.

gerno 03-26-2014 08:19 AM

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If you couldn't tell from the other posts I was a little frustrated with the issue but after talking to the team at Formula 43 I'm feeling much better. Travis and Trisha are going to take care of me and adjust the bore on the rear wheels. I'm really glad I chose Formula 43.

Here are a little better pics with light.

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carbuff 03-26-2014 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by gerno (Post 543451)
Thanks, I like it low too. Now I just have to figure out the other issue, exhaust...

Just a minor technicality, which Eric and I are still working on for TOW. I should get mine back from the second ceramic coat tomorrow and then hopefully have TOW back together by the weekend.

Car looks really good, I like that stance! You going to have her ready for the Spokes event at SAR on April 27th? :)

gerno 03-26-2014 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by carbuff (Post 543481)
Just a minor technicality, which Eric and I are still working on for TOW. I should get mine back from the second ceramic coat tomorrow and then hopefully have TOW back together by the weekend.

Car looks really good, I like that stance! You going to have her ready for the Spokes event at SAR on April 27th? :)

Luckily I can change my exhaust more because I'm too cheap to get the pipes coated...Until I swap the LS the headers are going to be the biggest issue. I'm really thinking to cut out the rear floor pans and raising them 1-2" so the mufflers are a little higher...

She will be ready for the SPOKES event one way or another.....I'm ready to get this thing back on the road.

carbuff 03-26-2014 08:57 AM

Yep, the mufflers themselves are my lowest point now, and they can't go much higher without cutting the floor. Having the Tri-Y headers makes it easier to tuck them up in the front for sure...

If you need another pair of hands, let me know, but it sounds like you are pretty close! :)

johnzSS 03-26-2014 06:06 PM

Sweet build sir! Keep the updates coming!

glassman 03-26-2014 06:17 PM

If you drive my car (i will be there in Oct with the goodguys road tour) or drive Bryan's car, ummmm you'll be puttin that LS in before you know it.

But man, i hate when there on the stands for that long....drive that beotch!!!

How long the rims gonna set u back?

gerno 03-26-2014 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by johnzSS (Post 543604)
Sweet build sir! Keep the updates coming!

Thank you

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Originally Posted by glassman (Post 543609)
If you drive my car (i will be there in Oct with the goodguys road tour) or drive Bryan's car, ummmm you'll be puttin that LS in before you know it.

But man, i hate when there on the stands for that long....drive that beotch!!!

How long the rims gonna set u back?

The LS will be in long before oct unless I need to be out of the country for work. Don't worry about that.

Rims will only set me back 2 weeks. Travis says he'll have the chamfer corrected in 1 day. Shipping is the longest part.

gerno 03-26-2014 06:50 PM

I've been talking to others and found the hub should be a tight fit to support the wheels. I took the drive plates off and checked them on the wheel. The bore Travis put on the wheel is very close so he obviously knew more than I did. The issue with the fitment comes only with the radius in the end. The wheels and drive plates are headed back tomorrow for a slight adjustment on the chamfer.

I feel like I ranted too much in the previous posts as a result of other stresses in my life and might have shed a bad light on Formula 43 due to my ignorance with the fitment. It's important that everyone knows Travis has been extremely patient throughout my wheel purchase and delivered an awesome wheel to my specs very quickly. The more I look at the wheels the more I love them. I'd highly recommend Formula 43 to anyone out there. I might be overthinking my comments but on the web things can be taken many ways. Reputation is also critical in the automotive aftermarket so I want to make sure everyone knows how pleased I am with both the product and service.

tubbed69 03-26-2014 06:56 PM

Perfect job on the wheels and the stance,that looks great:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

FETorino 03-26-2014 09:13 PM

Hey where are those daytime photos you promised everyone:headscratch:

Steve

In the end all the effort in getting the combo together will be worth it. The stance and the wheels look stellar:thumbsup:

, in the dark.:lmao:

Vince@Meanstreets 03-27-2014 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by gerno (Post 543637)
I've been talking to others and found the hub should be a tight fit to support the wheels. I took the drive plates off and checked them on the wheel. The bore Travis put on the wheel is very close so he obviously knew more than I did. The issue with the fitment comes only with the radius in the end. The wheels and drive plates are headed back tomorrow for a slight adjustment on the chamfer.

I feel like I ranted too much in the previous posts as a result of other stresses in my life and might have shed a bad light on Formula 43 due to my ignorance with the fitment. It's important that everyone knows Travis has been extremely patient throughout my wheel purchase and delivered an awesome wheel to my specs very quickly. The more I look at the wheels the more I love them. I'd highly recommend Formula 43 to anyone out there. I might be overthinking my comments but on the web things can be taken many ways. Reputation is also critical in the automotive aftermarket so I want to make sure everyone knows how pleased I am with both the product and service.

ahh your fine. sometmimes thoughts and written words can be misunderstood. Happens to me all the time. Might be due to my accent.

Anyways, There are a bunch of things you can do to get more tire room.

Question, how much room did you have to the brake calipers? You maybe able to shave a bit off the center since its gonna be on the mill anyways. 1/4" can make a huge difference.

Flash68 03-27-2014 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 543687)
Happens to me all the time. Might be due to my accent.


gerno 03-27-2014 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 543666)
Hey where are those daytime photos you promised everyone:headscratch:

Steve

In the end all the effort in getting the combo together will be worth it. The stance and the wheels look stellar:thumbsup:

Here are your pics since I know you can't see much on your crackberry. You know I have a connection who can hook you up with a real phone.....

When I'm able to pull the car out of the garage I'll get better picks. For now the car hauler is blocking the drive and I didn't want to take the time to move it.


, in the dark.:lmao:

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 543687)
ahh your fine. sometmimes thoughts and written words can be misunderstood. Happens to me all the time. Might be due to my accent.

Anyways, There are a bunch of things you can do to get more tire room.

Question, how much room did you have to the brake calipers? You maybe able to shave a bit off the center since its gonna be on the mill anyways. 1/4" can make a huge difference.

I'm not too worried but wanted to be sure.

I'm going to start cutting out the outer edge of the inner fender first. I tried to reshape them but it still does not have a sharp enough bend at the fender. I'll cut them out and fiberglass the edge instead so I can get a sharper radius.

I don't want to cut the pads on the front because BS is already as far back as I am comfortable. I went with 10.5" rims rather than 10" so the turning radius is a little tighter. Worse case I will keep the car a little higher for a while until it comes time for a repaint. When I finally paint the car I'll go ahead and add a little more flare to the front.

Ron in SoCal 03-27-2014 08:19 AM

Love the wheels and stance Mr. G. :cheers:

carbuff 03-27-2014 10:23 AM

I should sneak over there and take some pictures since you're just down the street and I'm working at home this week. ;)

Looking good!

rickpaw 03-27-2014 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 543731)
Love the wheels and stance Mr. G. :cheers:

Same here. The car looks great.

waynieZ 03-30-2014 01:12 PM

Your car looks great.:thumbsup:

gerno 04-02-2014 11:08 AM

Update on the wheels. Travis received them yesterday morning. I was shocked how quickly he adjusted the bore and added a much large chamfer to the end. I had UPS tracking information by ~3PM the same day. If all goes well with the shipping I should have them back on Friday. I have to say the service from Travis was awesome.

I can't wait to get them back up have a lot of stuff left to do. It's going to be a busy weekend.....

FETorino 04-04-2014 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by gerno (Post 544769)
Update on the wheels. Travis received them yesterday morning. I was shocked how quickly he adjusted the bore and added a much large chamfer to the end. I had UPS tracking information by ~3PM the same day. If all goes well with the shipping I should have them back on Friday. I have to say the service from Travis was awesome.

I can't wait to get them back up have a lot of stuff left to do. It's going to be a busy weekend.....

Looking forward to tomorrows updates.:thumbsup:

carbuff 04-04-2014 03:56 PM

Did they make it back? Are they on the car yet! :)

gerno 04-04-2014 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by carbuff (Post 545284)
Did they make it back? Are they on the car yet! :)


Wheels are back and on the car. They now fit the hubs perfect. I'll try to get some better pics of them this weekend and I hope to have it very close to driving by Sunday night.

The exhaust is driving me nuts. Too many options that take a lot of time to test out.... Not sure what to do.

GregWeld 04-04-2014 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gerno (Post 545307)
Wheels are back and on the car. They now fit the hubs perfect. I'll try to get some better pics of them this weekend and I hope to have it very close to driving by Sunday night.

The exhaust is driving me nuts. Too many options that take a lot of time to test out.... Not sure what to do.




Get it running on Sunday --- and your test drive can be over to Driftwood to pound some ribs and beans at The Salt Lick! :>)

gerno 04-04-2014 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 545309)
Get it running on Sunday --- and your test drive can be over to Driftwood to pound some ribs and beans at The Salt Lick! :>)

How did you know the plan? Bryan keeps insisting to go

glassman 04-04-2014 08:20 PM

You guys are couple of hours from DFW? I hope you and Bryan can make it to the good guys event in October. I'll be auto crossing the camaro there after the Texas road trip if all goes well.

Good luck getting that thing together this weekend! You've inspired me to seriously consider the formula 43's and they gave me some numbers last week for the rims I'm liking......

Get'r done!!!!!'

carbuff 04-05-2014 07:01 AM

I plan to be there again. Just wish we were getting Round 2 of USCA in Texas in 2014! :\

WSSix 04-05-2014 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by gerno (Post 545307)
The exhaust is driving me nuts. Too many options that take a lot of time to test out.... Not sure what to do.

Focus on the needs and overall design, then decide what parts you're wavering on. From there maybe figure out a way to allow those options to be tested over time.

For me, I have no idea what mufflers I want and am thinking of building my own. I'm going to build the rest of it any way. Might as well build the mufflers too, maybe. I intend to build the exhaust system in such a manner than I can easily drop out the mufflers and bolt new ones in without having to change much if anything else. To do this I figure I'll have a section, say 18-24 inches, under the car where a muffler would reside that can be unbolted. That would allow me to try different length mufflers out and only have to use extension pieces to make up the difference and reconnect the system together. The rest of the system won't change because that's how I know I want it to run. The mufflers are my unknown.

Good luck. Glad the wheels are fitting correctly now.

gerno 04-05-2014 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by glassman (Post 545318)
You guys are couple of hours from DFW? I hope you and Bryan can make it to the good guys event in October. I'll be auto crossing the camaro there after the Texas road trip if all goes well.

Good luck getting that thing together this weekend! You've inspired me to seriously consider the formula 43's and they gave me some numbers last week for the rims I'm liking......

Get'r done!!!!!'

I'll be there fir sure and hopefully with an LS in the car. Unfortunately the trans blew out in my truck this week an stole all my LS funds. With 165k on an 8K lb truck I drive like a BMW I guess I can't complain......


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Originally Posted by WSSix (Post 545351)
Focus on the needs and overall design, then decide what parts you're wavering on. From there maybe figure out a way to allow those options to be tested over time.

For me, I have no idea what mufflers I want and am thinking of building my own. I'm going to build the rest of it any way. Might as well build the mufflers too, maybe. I intend to build the exhaust system in such a manner than I can easily drop out the mufflers and bolt new ones in without having to change much if anything else. To do this I figure I'll have a section, say 18-24 inches, under the car where a muffler would reside that can be unbolted. That would allow me to try different length mufflers out and only have to use extension pieces to make up the difference and reconnect the system together. The rest of the system won't change because that's how I know I want it to run. The mufflers are my unknown.

Good luck. Glad the wheels are fitting correctly now.

I have the old mufflers which are basically new magna flows so I'm sticking with them. my big thing is ground clearance. I want everything tucked above the frame which is tough with 1/2 height body mounts.

Since I'm going to have to change things again when I swap the LS and my current Dynatech headers already sit really low I think I'm simply going to throw a dumped exhaust on it to get it going for a but. It's going to be obnoxiously loud but I'll deal with it.

Eventually I really want to exit the exhaust just behind the door. I have a lot of work to think about to get this done with floor pan mods. I'll put the car back together and am working on a clean way to closeout the rear seat area so I have room to package the mufflers but it's really tight.

gerno 04-05-2014 08:16 AM

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I've been working a little bit on interior cleanup. I tried to make a set of door panels a few years ago. They turned out good at the time but heat caused the glue to release and they really started looking bad. I grabbed a sheet of 1/8" black ABS and built some new door panels.

I plan to use the same material on the rear seat closeout. I added some allen head bolts with stainless washers to create a little more texture. I also cut down the bump in the rear section from the floor seam and welded it closed. '

For the lower area I'm thinking to grab some 1/2" or 1/4" square tube and build a box big enough to house the side exit exhaust if I go that route. I can this cover with the ABS. If I decide not to put the exhaust there I may also move the battery there in the future. I need to weigh the car to better understand my corner weights before making this decision.


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Flash68 04-05-2014 12:05 PM

I like the look of that panel Steve.


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