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GregWeld 07-16-2014 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 560818)
I talked to Eric today on my way back to the shop from lunch and we got you set up real good. He is going to raise the wheel wells and chop the top with the stock windshield and do a few other mods we think will really set it off nicely. Do you like 24" wheels? How about ground effects?



Are the Intros with spinners still available? I've been saving up for a set and am just about ready to pull the trigger! That or Gold Wires... I'm really struggling with this and have been waffling back and forth for several years now.

Ground effects are cool as long as they're in that bad ass black plastic... just behind the rear wheels. Somebody was explaining to me that they'll also do double duty by keeping rock chips off the rust - er I mean paint.

I've been thinking about the chopped top and will ask Eric to put some wings (for areo) on kind of like the dude Mercury has on his head. They'd be so bad ass in gold anodized aluminum and then riveted on... You know - like they do real race car stuff. I'm really diggin' the race car vibe with the spinners or the wires. Do they make gold wires in anything larger than 13"??

GregWeld 07-16-2014 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 68LS1 (Post 560835)
Greg, you are a lucky man, having friends like this helping you out



I think I just swallowed my .45




:>)

GregWeld 07-16-2014 10:34 PM

You have no idea how much this made my day!! OMG that's the funniest thing I've seen in a very very long time!







http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...716_131452.jpg

Sieg 07-17-2014 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 560852)
I was thinking the same thing...

that Sieg.... what a bad apple. :lostmarbles:

Ever notice how plush the shock stroke is on a Baja Trophy Truck?

For the most part it's just a matter of manipulating shim stacks. Here's the build sheet for the WP shock on my KTM.

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Z...ZR8tGww-X2.jpg

It should be noted the fork and shock valving on this bike has the ability to chip teeth and make kidney's bleed on public roads. :D

GregWeld 07-17-2014 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 560870)
It's all good. Weld will just hire Ron Sutton to DIAL IN his errand truck for optimum Sun Valley road performance.



Like I always told my kids when they were growing up --- It's not what you know - it's knowing how to find the answer.

GregWeld 07-17-2014 06:01 AM

With the above post in mind....


I will take the advice of a guy that builds some pretty bad ass chassis and cars... for those that don't know them... That would be Phil and Jeremy Gerber AKA The Roadster Shop Brothers. If he says AFCO's over Double adjustable blah blah blah - then that's where I'll START.

THEN -- Keeping the above post in mind.

When I am somewhere with Bret Voekel et al... We'll corner weigh the truck... discuss it's use, and current "as built" ride characteristics.... and see if there's a benefit making a change.

How simple is that.

I really don't need to get it "right" the first go around... I've learned a couple things about cars over the last 45 or so years. The biggest one is, parts is parts - they can be improved - changed - modified - tossed out - cut - drilled.... and I'm sure I've left out a few things that can be done with them.

Sieg 07-17-2014 06:26 AM

Totally agree!

Suspension is and isn't black magic once you have a basic understanding first hand experience of difference in valving set ups.

Thanks to my off-road motorcycling background I learned a lot about manipulating suspension at a grassroots level before shock dyno's and modern technology raised the bar even higher.

When you get it right it's somewhat unbelievable how good it can be. I'll guess in the next few years you'll start experiencing that magic first hand. :thumbsup:

ironworks 07-17-2014 07:09 AM

It's pretty funny how much you guys are worried about how a 1940 ford truck will handle as its used to get groceries at the local grocery store and probably will never get out of 2nd gear as Greg and Gwen grow old in their new mansion in the woods and have to go buy the super expensive Dog food for Stella every 3 days to make sure she has the freshest wet dog food they can get her. Oh and the trip to the mail box at the bottom of the hill.

Otherwise Gwen will just ride her bike.

GregWeld 07-17-2014 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 560953)
It's pretty funny how much you guys are worried about how a 1940 ford truck will handle as its used to get groceries at the local grocery store and probably will never get out of 2nd gear as Greg and Gwen grow old in their new mansion in the woods and have to go buy the super expensive Dog food for Stella every 3 days to make sure she has the freshest wet dog food they can get her. Oh and the trip to the mail box at the bottom of the hill.

Otherwise Gwen will just ride her bike.




True statement!

clill 07-17-2014 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 560903)
You have no idea how much this made my day!! OMG that's the funniest thing I've seen in a very very long time!







http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...716_131452.jpg

The best part is that it was done with a special paint that even after the door is blasted and painted it will still bleed thru for years to come.:lol:

ironworks 07-17-2014 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 560955)
True statement!


As long as it drives better then the toter you should be fine.

Sieg 07-17-2014 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 560953)
It's pretty funny how much you guys are worried about how a 1940 ford truck will handle as its used to get groceries at the local grocery store and probably will never get out of 2nd gear as Greg and Gwen grow old in their new mansion in the woods and have to go buy the super expensive Dog food for Stella every 3 days to make sure she has the freshest wet dog food they can get her. Oh and the trip to the mail box at the bottom of the hill.

Otherwise Gwen will just ride her bike.

LOL :D

My concern from the get go was ride comfort not performance handling. I was assuming the Afco valving & seals wouldn't be as plush in the initial stroke as the Penske. Whatever works to minimize further compression of the discs in his spine is a win. :D

Al Moreno 07-17-2014 11:16 AM

Is this a build thread? :headspin:

preston 07-17-2014 01:58 PM

I've done my share of rust recovery, but have always been curious about these old hulks that are covered with surface (and more) rust. It seems to me by the time you blast that door you're going to thin the metal a ton as well as create lots of swiss cheese in places. I realize the old iron had much thicker steel than what I'm used to, but its always been hard for me to believe those old rust buckets are useful for much more than a template to roll new metal.

Is a door like that really recoverable with just a good media blast and a few patches ?

GregWeld 07-17-2014 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by preston (Post 561028)
I've done my share of rust recovery, but have always been curious about these old hulks that are covered with surface (and more) rust. It seems to me by the time you blast that door you're going to thin the metal a ton as well as create lots of swiss cheese in places. I realize the old iron had much thicker steel than what I'm used to, but its always been hard for me to believe those old rust buckets are useful for much more than a template to roll new metal.

Is a door like that really recoverable with just a good media blast and a few patches ?



Ever hear of BONDO?? They spread it all over everything and then use a cheese grater on it.


Frankly -- I've thought the same thing Preston. But I think the paint holds everything together.

GregWeld 07-17-2014 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 560964)
LOL :D

My concern from the get go was ride comfort not performance handling. I was assuming the Afco valving & seals wouldn't be as plush in the initial stroke as the Penske. Whatever works to minimize further compression of the discs in his spine is a win. :D



AKA -- "Shrinkage"

GregWeld 07-17-2014 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by clill (Post 560957)
The best part is that it was done with a special paint that even after the door is blasted and painted it will still bleed thru for years to come.:lol:





Just as long as you remember that I stay in my trailer all weekend out at the track -- and yours is usually parked right along side mine... but you're gone... and I'm not... and it's a very long night. :catfight:

clill 07-17-2014 09:43 PM

That's OK. You can't reach the door knob on my trailer.

DBasher 07-17-2014 10:11 PM

Preston it's hard to tell from the pictures but Midwest rust is totally different than west coast rust. It's a dry rust, if that makes sense. I've bought a few cars from an old man in Wenatchee that looked a lot like these pictures, more like a heavy surface rust than a dig in and eat away rust.

I've gotta think that Eric at Pinkee's knows what he's getting into, hopefully one of these days we'll see progress.:BlahBlah:


Dan

DOOM 07-18-2014 06:57 AM

Not one F!CKIN picture !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh wait a door on a cab I'm sorry..:catfight:

Sonar Chief 07-18-2014 09:34 AM

Greg .... excellent choice of builders, went through Eric's shop at GG and drooled over most of the cars. If you need anything I'm minutes from the shop, not that you need help .... just in case.

GregWeld 07-18-2014 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DOOM (Post 561150)
Not one F!CKIN picture !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh wait a door on a cab I'm sorry..:catfight:




Are you shizzillin' me man!! I got pocket money that says I just started my project and that I'm driving this POS before yours is in upholstery!


LOL


Eric just got the truck to his place.... and there's nothing going to happen to it until Phil finishes the chassis. I'll take some pics when I go there the end of September.





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Originally Posted by Sonar Chief (Post 561211)
Greg .... excellent choice of builders, went through Eric's shop at GG and drooled over most of the cars. If you need anything I'm minutes from the shop, not that you need help .... just in case.




Thanks Chief!! Nothing going on at this point -- we're still in the planning stages.

JKnight 07-18-2014 09:24 PM

Love that you're using an RS chassis for this thing GW. Will be neat to see a pure driver with their quality underpinnings. Definitely a cool concept for a sun valley cruiser.

Saw your old nomad at Barrett by the way...I know you've got skills and style but I was still impressed with how nice it was in person. Thanks for sharing!

GregWeld 07-19-2014 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JKnight (Post 561356)
Love that you're using an RS chassis for this thing GW. Will be neat to see a pure driver with their quality underpinnings. Definitely a cool concept for a sun valley cruiser.

Saw your old nomad at Barrett by the way...I know you've got skills and style but I was still impressed with how nice it was in person. Thanks for sharing!



Thanks!


The old Nomad was a bad ass yet totally reliable cruiser. I learned a LOT building and re-building that car many times. It was just "dated" (I owned it since 1999) and I was "done" and had mentally moved on. Hadn't driven it in 2 years and didn't miss it. So it was either a complete down to bare metal do over -- or move it out and do something else. We know that result.

I really should be building this truck in my new shed... but I'm running out of time and wouldn't have the support of friends to help as needed... and want to focus on making sure the house is right. If I waited until I really had the time - it would be another 2 years down the road. Having Eric build it gets it done in time to be enjoyed about the same time as the house is finished.


Here's the way I look at this -- parts is parts -- I can buy all the parts - that cost is static... motors / chassis / trans / wheels and tires etc all cost what they cost... so for me --- the only additional expense is the labor portion. And yes - the labor to build stuff is considerable - but my time is worth "something" - and I'd have costs for things as well. I'd be running parts to Boise - or shipping things somewhere to get them plated or whatever... Or I'd be spending a lot of time trying to source parts on line or via dealers I know. Since this '40 isn't going to be a whoop tee do custom with 100's of hours of fabrication - the labor shouldn't be huge. And, frankly, Pinkee's labor rate is extremely reasonable. There's all the "hidden" costs of building things yourself that people never factor in. HE found the truck and got it to his shop... I could have found similar -- and then spent a few days fetching it. Fuel - hotels - food - wear and tear... those are all costs we never add in to our building budgets. My guess is -- having Pinkee's build the truck will cost me about 50 grand "more" than if I'd built it myself. Pretty reasonable if you ask me. When it's done - I'll sell my F-150 and I can barely buy a new pick up for 50 grand. What will be missing is the "I built it myself" pride but I've built enough stuff that I'm kinda over that. I'm going to use my time over here to build relationships with other guys - all new friends -- helping them with their projects using my stuff and shed - and we can work on their stuff doing weekend or small projects and for me - that's way better than working alone on my own project. I've already had people coming over and then they know someone and bring them by and I'm already having fun. It'll take some time -- but in a few months or by next summer... I'll hopefully meet enough "car guys" here that I'd be comfortable starting a new project for me and doing it with friends.

I'd kinda like to see the "shed" turn into a gathering spot -- maybe every Friday night or Saturday morning -- coffee on - or beers in the afternoon - and having the car community know that there's always going to be a "place to go" where others will be... There isn't that kind of thing going on over here and it would be fun to start that. Teach a guy how to weld -- or bend some tubbing - or cut something for them.. or have them bead blast a part or Lift a body off. Whatever...

intocarss 07-19-2014 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 561406)
Thanks!


The old Nomad was a bad ass yet totally reliable cruiser. I learned a LOT building and re-building that car many times. It was just "dated" (I owned it since 1999) and I was "done" and had mentally moved on. Hadn't driven it in 2 years and didn't miss it. So it was either a complete down to bare metal do over -- or move it out and do something else. We know that result.

I really should be building this truck in my new shed... but I'm running out of time and wouldn't have the support of friends to help as needed... and want to focus on making sure the house is right. If I waited until I really had the time - it would be another 2 years down the road. Having Eric build it gets it done in time to be enjoyed about the same time as the house is finished.


Here's the way I look at this -- parts is parts -- I can buy all the parts - that cost is static... motors / chassis / trans / wheels and tires etc all cost what they cost... so for me --- the only additional expense is the labor portion. And yes - the labor to build stuff is considerable - but my time is worth "something" - and I'd have costs for things as well. I'd be running parts to Boise - or shipping things somewhere to get them plated or whatever... Or I'd be spending a lot of time trying to source parts on line or via dealers I know. Since this '40 isn't going to be a whoop tee do custom with 100's of hours of fabrication - the labor shouldn't be huge. And, frankly, Pinkee's labor rate is extremely reasonable. There's all the "hidden" costs of building things yourself that people never factor in. HE found the truck and got it to his shop... I could have found similar -- and then spent a few days fetching it. Fuel - hotels - food - wear and tear... those are all costs we never add in to our building budgets. My guess is -- having Pinkee's build the truck will cost me about 50 grand "more" than if I'd built it myself. Pretty reasonable if you ask me. When it's done - I'll sell my F-150 and I can barely buy a new pick up for 50 grand. What will be missing is the "I built it myself" pride but I've built enough stuff that I'm kinda over that. I'm going to use my time over here to build relationships with other guys - all new friends -- helping them with their projects using my stuff and shed - and we can work on their stuff doing weekend or small projects and for me - that's way better than working alone on my own project. I've already had people coming over and then they know someone and bring them by and I'm already having fun. It'll take some time -- but in a few months or by next summer... I'll hopefully meet enough "car guys" here that I'd be comfortable starting a new project for me and doing it with friends.

I'd kinda like to see the "shed" turn into a gathering spot -- maybe every Friday night or Saturday morning -- coffee on - or beers in the afternoon - and having the car community know that there's always going to be a "place to go" where others will be... There isn't that kind of thing going on over here and it would be fun to start that. Teach a guy how to weld -- or bend some tubbing - or cut something for them.. or have them bead blast a part or Lift a body off. Whatever...

:grouphug:


GregWeld 07-19-2014 08:31 AM

^^^^^^^^^




Life is pretty much nothing without 'em.

Ketzer 07-19-2014 10:47 AM

GW, are there many car folk around your new digs? Seems like you said it was really small townish in the off season?

On the one hand that sounds freakin awesome, but on the other... like you, I enjoy a couple of car buddies stopping by on the weekends while I wrench on my heaps. I enjoy helping them and sometimes need them to help me. It would suck if no one around me spoke hot rod or cared about similar stuff.


Jeff-

DOOM 07-19-2014 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 561321)
Are you shizzillin' me man!! I got pocket money that says I just started my project and that I'm driving this POS before yours is in upholstery!


LOL


Eric just got the truck to his place.... and there's nothing going to happen to it until Phil finishes the chassis. I'll take some pics when I go there the end of September.










Thanks Chief!! Nothing going on at this point -- we're still in the planning stages.

I'm not taking that bet!!!:lmao:

Sieg 07-19-2014 03:02 PM

Local project at the car show today.

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-f...-f4KCfJv-L.jpg

GregWeld 07-19-2014 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ketzer (Post 561419)
GW, are there many car folk around your new digs? Seems like you said it was really small townish in the off season?

On the one hand that sounds freakin awesome, but on the other... like you, I enjoy a couple of car buddies stopping by on the weekends while I wrench on my heaps. I enjoy helping them and sometimes need them to help me. It would suck if no one around me spoke hot rod or cared about similar stuff.


Jeff-



Good question Jeff! There's a bunch of cars around... but I haven't met many of them yet. The problem is that there are two kinds of folks here - those that live here -- and those that vacation here (maybe in their own homes or rentals)... But it definitely is a car culture here. It will take me some time to get to know the locals.

Then -- I've experienced this throughout my car life -- there are hot rodders and there are hot rodders... some are just waxers and car show people... some buy a hot rod and use it once in awhile -- and some of us are dyed in the wool gear heads. What I've found is that there's lots of levels of "SKILL" or lack thereof. Guys that talk a lot --- and then reach for a hammer when something doesn't fit. That guy gets his ass booted from my place within nanoseconds... There are "like minded" folks out there - that understand what it takes - and how to protect pieces from damage - and there are those that can only unbolt a carb and swap it out - and then over tighten everything....

I get a good belly laugh a lot of times when someone goes right into the stories about the "car they built".... which means they changed the radiator cap...

Some of the car folks I've met so far are in the "super rich" category - and have amazing stuff -- but they don't drive them or work on them... so while it's nice to look at their stuff (once)... They'll not likely be the guys I call to come hold a whatsit for me.

There's a guy that is my age that works across the street at the motorcycle / skidoo / quad shop... and I think we're going to be friends. He seems to be the kind of guy that gets it... and his shop area is neat and clean. And HE LOVES TOOLS.... and another guy that has stopped by twice now that rides a harley - drives the bus part time in the winter (which is when I met him) and seems pretty cool... So it's just a matter of time and sorting it all out.

I figure to meet some more people with being over here more than just part time -- it's too hard to be part time... but in September I'll be full time - and the shop is done and my stuff is here... and word will get out... and I'm pretty sure the people that will be building my house will be car people or know someone that is etc.

waynieZ 07-19-2014 08:59 PM

I don't see you having any problems meeting new people and making friends Anywhere! Especially if you have cars in common.

GregWeld 07-19-2014 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by waynieZ (Post 561471)
I don't see you having any problems meeting new people and making friends Anywhere! Especially if you have cars in common.




Haven't you seen those signs in my shed that my "friends" give me?? LOL


Or the door paint on my truck.... I didn't see any X's and O's. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

waynieZ 07-19-2014 09:17 PM

That's why I said it your an equal opportunity agget smasher !

GregWeld 07-19-2014 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 561441)
Local project at the car show today.

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-f...-f4KCfJv-L.jpg



That's not doing it for me.... There's no attitude... it's like the girl in class that nobody looked at... I have to be attracted to something about a car/truck. Sometimes you can't explain it until you see it. Sometimes you can't even figure out what it is you DON'T like about something.

57hemicuda 07-20-2014 05:24 AM

Don't care what it is, stance is everything. The cool part about the 40 P/U
is that it looks good sweaty or done up. It is such a good starting point even Greg can't screw it up. LOL


http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/P...0%20ford-L.jpg

GregWeld 07-20-2014 06:10 AM

WTF! Shouldn't I get some credit for being smart enough to start with a good base body then??


Stance is everything..... as long as it isn't painted GOLD.




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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 561489)
Don't care what it is, stance is everything. The cool part about the 40 P/U
is that it looks good sweaty or done up. It is such a good starting point even Greg can't screw it up. LOL


http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/P...0%20ford-L.jpg


65_LS1_T56 07-20-2014 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 561493)
..... as long as it isn't painted GOLD.

Hey!:guns:
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/...psc246be2c.jpg

It's Sierra "Tan" actually

GregWeld 07-20-2014 06:26 AM

No Aaron.... THIS is gold.....







http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...ord-pickup.jpg

65_LS1_T56 07-20-2014 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 561495)

Oh....I see what you mean now :lol:
Just messin' with ya this fine, foggy in MI, morning.

57hemicuda 07-20-2014 09:17 AM

Huh, looked good from 20'. That is a lot of gold!!!


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