Dangit. I didn't even think of that. Brilliant.

I might be the only guy on this site who covers up his billet with thin wall aluminum. :cool:

Maybe you should PM me your guys info :) i got a couple more things im in need of.

^^This. Have fun putting it all together. :thumbsup:

Ah jeeze what's the big deal it ain't like he's the first guy on this site with a billet dry sump pan.:rofl:

True, but due to my resourcefulness, I bet I got it for a 1/4 of what you paid. :unibrow: And don't give me that Ford vs Chevy parts availability excuse.

Okay I had a similar Matt Alcala situation the other day at Watson going over the motor teardown and inspection of my SB2.

Nothing is good and everything needs something.. of course. :rolleyes:

#4 cylinder has a pretty deep score.

Bad main cap walk.

Crank thrust no good.

Wrong bearings.

Wrong piston ring package (napier).

Steel lifter sleeve (wish it wad bronze bushed).

Standard SBC cam core (may go to 50mm BBC size if there is room).

And then there was..... ok at this point I just pulled a Weld and said "just fix it."

There was some good news. They loved the dry sump stuff I brought over and it was the first time Mike didn't tell me the stuff I brought to him was crap or inferior. :lol: He even brought Ben (Watson) who does all their billet and sheetmetal manifolds over and showed him the Hendricks pan. They loved it. :woot:

He's gonna send the crank out, do calcs on everything and then we'll decide where we go.

Oh, and he said the head gasket on this motor was the largest he'd EVER seen......

.120. :eek:

:unibrow:

S.A.R.(R.Y.) to hear about all those issues.

The good news is there won't be any more redo's

After all, it's not an LS.



:D

^ low, low, low, blow.

How bad is the cap walk? Possibly because too to little thrust clearance?

Also what block is it?

But dont feel too bad. i nearly Sh*t my self when I looked at my crank. huge hole, is huge.

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Matt

God D@mn, I feel for you. I keep forgetting our cars' engines both crapped out the same weekend at El Toro.

This is turning into a race to see who bought the biggest turd, and it looks like you're winning since your new engine is a pile.

Dude, I am sorry to hear about this. I know how expensive these things get, and how all kinds of little things you forgot or didn't know you had to buy just magically seem to end up on your parts list.

I'm glad to hear you just decided to "fix it" like Weld. That is what I decided to do today as well, and everyone tells me I won't miss the money once I'm driving, so get driving soon. We need to find out if you have more power than Rob.

Matt

p.s. Shipka has a little 5.3 you could just throw in there. :lol:

I got a cracked block 406 that will slide right in there big daddy. No worries.

I for one like the purple wiggins setup---it adds some style points.

Sounds like GW needs to come back in on this project. Put some Intro's on it and he'll be interested again.

BW

Dude it sucks but in the end you won't spend much more if any than if you built it from scratch and it will be built right. :thumbsup:

You do know the availability of Ford Sidoiler dry sumps is next to nothing right?:rolleyes:

Almost all his big parts are usable so I think you are in the lead. :( Not that you want to be winning that race.

Never going to happen on pump gas. Now DG may go all in and then it will be a horse race.:D But only one will be streetable :P

:cheers:

You know it.

An LS... those are for flunkies. :lol:

He's gonna send the crank out... said the thrust bearing was toast... like Rob said everything should be usable... it's just a matter of more time and more money. :rolleyes:

Block is Dart Little M. Mike will do a soft hone on it he said and redo the mains and it should be good.

He did like the crank overall though. Need to weigh it but it is pretty damn lighweight.

Yep I read your post and didn't even wanna post mine. Rather spread out our misery. It always can be worse and like you said we think we are getting a deal of some kind and it often bites our arse. At least we are both doing what we need to and taking it to the right people to make sure it gets done right.

If we have the clearance for the 50mm cam then we get to choose the cam specs. Then I have a new vested interest in some extra hp. :unibrow:

5.3 LS? That is short a couple liters. Oh and it's an LS and wouldn't leak. :D

That 406 is a trooper. Wont' die. Like that daddy long leg spider in the corner of my room I just can't reach.

I knew you'd love the purple fittings. Race car.

I actually have some renderings of my last Camaro with some Intros on it... wait, did I just say that?

Yeah yeah yeah.... I might just say fvck it and turn it up and go 13:1 and big cam to win the $20 bet. That would be justifiable wouldn't it? :D

Streetable? Don't worry I will drive it more than Todd did his PT car on the street.

I'm sure you will drive it on the street more than Todd did with his car. You don't put your car on jack stands and pull out the black rubber gloves at the first sight of a drop of oil. You're probably more like me. When I fired my car up at the gas station close to Doug's house after El Toro I had to wait 5 minutes for all the smoke to clear so we could see well enough to pull out of the drive way.

My engine should be done in 10 days so I think you're winning the race to the most broken parts. (my famous last words).

Oil leaks? Those are badges of honor for me. Or something like that. As long as it's on Doug's driveway and not mine.

Oh yeah smoke and all.... love that... it gives me a reason to tell all the onlookers and questions-askers that "no, it's supposed to work like that... thanks though.... carry on." :D

10 days? That's pretty good. I might need 10 weeks.

Can you speed that up I don't want to wait that long for my $20.:unibrow:

I hate to say I told you so. Well, maybe not. :lol:

There is one way to build these things if they are going to last, the right way. Glad Watson is blue printing the entire engine.

Yeah I shoulda known.... it was a good chance it would turn out this way.

Yep I brought it to Watson for a reason... if I didn't allow them to do their thing what would be the point right?

Exactly :thumbsup: As customers we have the desire for big power and reliability but can't easily accept the expense associated with it.

The more stories I read about people trying to get the most for their money (natural human trait) the more I understand the prices of Watson, Mast, etc. Building motors right has to be a tough sales job and somewhat thank-less business in many cases from my observations over the years. Think of the number of hours they spend educating people who realistically can't afford their product.

Then comes the customer obligation to properly maintain what their desires built which is somewhat like going through a buffet line when you're starving and then having to eat everything you piled on your plate. :)

Make sure you ship your brand new motor to Steve's Auto Restoration (S.A.R.) in Portland Oregon --- so they can fire it off and run it with no oil...

Get's everything seated right off the bat. :unibrow:

:wow: Do they do that for everyone or only the high roller customers :_paranoid

Aww man sorry Dave. At least you know Watson is checking EVERYTHING and you will eventually get a motor that will last.

That sucks about the engine but at least you know you'll be able to beat on is good once you get it back.

I've never seen a main cap walk issue. Did Watson show you the issue or do you have any pics of it? I'm interested to see what it looks like.

You also mention the wrong rings and bearings. I assume they where sized correctly, what did he say saw wrong with them? Since I'm building up my engine I'm interested to know more.

:thumbsup:

Yep. He showed me some of the issues while we talked. No pics tho.

Rings were not necessarily wrong per se... just not good for my application per Watson. They were napier 2nd rings. They want to switch those out.

Bearings he said were mismatched. They were a mixture of hard and soft. A throw together job it appears.

Jesus.....

at least its getting done properly!

I bet you smell like Garlic

So does Rich! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Where you been hiding??

Sorry Jerr. First day home in the last seven. Decompressing on :lateral:

Call anytime Bro!

DG,

That mill of yours would make for a nice downpayment on one of them Stielow powerplants. :P

I wish. Then that would mean I've been down at the Garlic Proving Grounds. :mad:

I like reading that. :D

When is this thing going to run? I want my $20..... :unibrow:

When it is dialed in to make FE power + 1.

So you decided to go all out and ditch the idea of streetability :rofl:

Not yet. But if Mike has his way this thing will run race gas only.... I am resisting! :willy:

Garlic Proving grounds??? What does Garlic have to prove?

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Oh yeah...about time (Jeff) Gordon! :thumbsup:

dude! send those to me ill shot peen them and Electroless Nickle them!

Looking good Dave!