More lawn mower tech!!!!!

Great mix of stuff you have going on Scott!

Thanks guys.........I have new appreciation for plumb bobs, framing squares, lasers, metric tape measures, masking tape, and fine point Sharpies...........and less appreciation of subframes.

More M37!!!!!

Please do yourself a favor and get rid of those cast arbor plates. I had both of mine shatter while using a finger brake on 16g steel. Not anywhere close to 20T of pressure, spread across the entire surface area.

http://www.swagoffroad.com/Arbor-Press-Plates_p_7.html

Thanks, those are proper plates.

I certainly don't trust the cast plates for heavy loads, thus that steel plate on the press.

I don't trust them for any load... had a buddy on Pirate4x4 take 8 stitches when they let go on his with less than 4t of pressure.

I have no affiliation with SWAG, other than he's a cool vendor with good schtuff.

Love the build.

Thats not right. LOL


Why havent I subscribed to this thread yet. :lmao:

lol... here that...

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/P...4_170121-L.jpg

You are welcome!

Thanks.

Not right? Oh hell yes it is! :unibrow:

Next time I see him I'm slapping him around a little just for planting the seed. :lol:

Thank you Sir! :thumbsup:


Where am I at 5:30 this morning...............I'm crawling around under this frameless POS doing floor exercises...............:bang:

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Scott,
I find it easier to pull a chalk line front to back down both sides just below the pinch welds (If you are going to be a while, use tape). Along the whole length of the car, making sure they are parallel with one another. Then two in the opposite direction somewhere near the wheel mounting surfaces. Making sure to X them out to be sure they are square.

Once you have made this perfectly square box, and the car is solidly mounted and level, pinch welds in perfect line with your tape. All you need is 4 plumb bobs, a tape measure, digital level, and a patient wife or buddy to hold the other side of the tape.

You can accurately measure wheelbase (or altered wheelbase in so many cases), track squareness, camber, caster, pretty much anything you would need to know.

How many times have you been told this so far Sieg?


"Something seems off with X measurement, can you recheck it?"


:bang:


Thing is, he was right every time...something was wrong with MY measuring... :lol:

Isn't Magnus Walker that bada$$ 911 guru/tuner? If so, i DIG his work...

I know Scott knows what he is doing, I've just never been able to do any reliable measurements using centerline. Unless a car was set up for centerline measuring, like cup cars are, I find it extremely hard to get repeatable numbers. That might just be me.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Simply stated..........I'm hunting and picking my way around the underside of the car getting familiar with it and try to figure out what is what. When both ends are disconnected and the center section is a crudely stamped piece of sheetmetal it's not easy to establish a reasonable baseline.

I attempted to establish center via the rear subframe locating holes and I'm now trying to establish outer lines to reference the hubs/wheel mounting surfaces. The centerline was to give a reference to 'square' for all other measurements.

I'm beginning to understand the value of having a full framed vehicle. If I had the equipment to create a digital horizontal and vertical halo around the car it would be somewhat simple.

That is why I stressed using the pinch welds, on a subframe car the pinch welds are the only true constant. The rest of the car (subframe, rear, etc., etc.) can be way off. If referencing suspension off of a subframe that is crooked in the car your wasting your time.

Its easy as falling off a log. Level the car on stands, 4 plumb bobs vise gripped to the pinch welds, mark floor with tape, making sure the tape is square, and measure away.

Come on Mate, get this measuring stuff all sorted, with lots of pictures as I have to start mine and I'm :confused18: :confused18: :confused18:

I'm getting there today buddy! All the references I have created are good to verify square once true square is established.

Those pinch welds on the rocker being the one source of true square exemplifies how crude these cars really are.

4 plumb bobs and 4 vice grips..........you're one rich sob. Harbor freight micro bar clamps are $.99.........3 more plumb bobs is an issue for those of use in the pro-tinkering class! :lol:

Magnus is a great guy, I've talked with him on multiple occasions at SEMA. He's a great example of don't judge a book by the cover.

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It's an education mate..........in a somewhat masochistic way.......similar to croc wrestling I guess. :sieg:

Back to the garage! :captain1:

Pictures? You want pictures? Here ya go Mate:

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Tedious work is an understatement. My core strength/tone has improved as this has basically been 4+ day palates workout.

Not having a means to accurately replicate the acquired data points in the future is frustrating. Wishing I had copied Stielow's hitch ball jackstands and locating pockets as those would give you a chance of accurately duplicating data. Though without a surface plate the measurements are still only approximates.

The upside is the measuring techniques I've learned will apply to future fabrication projects.

To summarize: I'd suggest slamming your appendages in the shower door until you come to your senses, then go find a shop in your region similar to BMR and throw your wallet at them. :lol:

Two observations,

1. You have nice handwriting. I can't even read my own sometimes.
2. You forgot to carry the 5.

:lol:

:lmao:


You even resorted to using the metric system... lol...

Been there, done that bro...feel your pain. Trust me though, it's worth it once the magic is inserted.

And is that hardwood oak floor in the garage, or did you move Norwood into the living room?

:D

Sieg's garage is cleaner than my living room.

Although a cool project, may have been eaiser to take it to a shop with a 4 wheel alignment machine, have a beer and watch them work. LOL

I've probably back halved 30 cars, and I'm lost!! LOL

I was under the impression that the reason most of you owned 40+ year old cars...was so that you didn't have to invest in metric tools...

Yet here Sieg is using metric measurements to blueprint the suspension pickup points on a 46 year old car. :confused59:

That's loose-lay fiberglass stabilized vinyl flooring........comfort baby!

It's cleaner because it's had a 170 lb. cotton covered mop polishing it for 4+ days!

..........and you could have bought a Cup Car ya know. :action-smiley-027:

:sieg: :sieg: :sieg: :sieg:
I learn best by my mistakes. Out of who knows how many measurements.......I actually took 4 or 5 that made me excited.

Fractions are just plain S T U P I D!!!

M&M's are only good out of a bag, plain or peanut. Freakin communist.

The guy that was helping me is a machinist, he thinks in thousands of inches...

You should have seen him shaking his head at me trying to subtract 5/32nds from 17/32nds... lol... :D

I know the feeling.. You ever work on a dirt race car with an areospace engineer :badidea: :lostmarbles:

I know why UroSieg uses mm...He's used to all his bikes

Exactly!

1/10ths, 1/100ths, 1/1000ths.........what's that remind you of? :sieg:

I wish my dumb ole trade would switch to cm/mm. I have employee's who still have to count the digits LOL....

"As society regress's forward...."

In my flooring business I was glad to have inches, feet, and yards because once the carpet industry wised up to the fact that hardwood and ceramic tile competitors were killing them with price perception and switched to selling carpet by the square foot vs square yard the playing field was leveled........but it took a while for the good old industry boys to accept the paradigm shift. The consumer perceived hardwood at $6 sq. ft. as a much better 'value' than carpet at $24 sq. yd when it was actually $54 sq. yd. Accountants, teachers, university professors, bankers amazingly all fell into that trap.

In the metric system they are somewhat forced to sell by square meter as square centimeters is their next option.

Jer Dawg was right about the bikes as my first bike in '72 was metric as were the other 20+ that followed........

Took a break from chassis/suspension grind yesterday afternoon to remind myself how lucky I was not to have been a framer my entire life.........

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Material list:
12 - 96" kiln dried 2x4's
2 lbs 2.5" screws (128 screws)
Cost $40

Cut list:
24 - 14"
40 - 17.5"

Tool List:
Chop saw
Drill driver
Framers square
Small mallet (for tweaking alignment)

Finished height: 267.5 mm or for 57hemicuda 10-33/64" or 10.5315" :D

Time allotment: Approximately 4-5 uninterrupted hours.

My plan for turn plates is to use flexible cutting boards like these http://www.amazon.com/Clear-Flexible...ds+for+kitchen and lubricate them with Crisco for dishwasher cleanup.

Nicely done! I used a nail gun and 2.5" nails to put mine together, went much quicker than with screws.

You'll love those... I use mine all of the time.