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OBeer-WAN-Kenobi 09-12-2013 07:34 AM

Man, I stayed away from this thread (because I know how it goes) for quite a while hoping that when I came back Dead Pool would be laying some rubber down. Much to my disappointment, "laying some rubber down" seems to mean the wheels laying on their sides underneath the car. :headscratch:

Seriously though, that exhaust is looking and probably sounding good as well. I can't get a good idea with the video and playing it on my crappy laptop speakers.

Come on Ron! :gitrdun:

U-turn 09-12-2013 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OBeer-WAN-Kenobi (Post 504359)
Man, I stayed away from this thread (because I know how it goes) for quite a while hoping that when I came back Dead Pool would be laying some rubber down. Much to my disappointment, "laying some rubber down" seems to mean the wheels laying on their sides underneath the car.

Come on Ron! :gitrdun:

I'm with him!

Ron in SoCal 09-12-2013 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OBeer-WAN-Kenobi (Post 504359)
Come on Ron! :gitrdun:

Quote:

Originally Posted by U-turn (Post 504438)
I'm with him!

^ I'm with you guys! Sorry, stuff only moves as fast as brain power and vendors go, not to mention :ups:

It's gonna be a couple weeks before I get parts back and installed and something new happens. I gotta live with that, but am very motivated to get on it so I can get some wheel time in before next year.

Thanks for the :buttkick: tho, lol

Vegas69 09-12-2013 08:26 PM

It's 1st and goal buddy...

Ron in SoCal 09-28-2013 02:24 PM

Shocking Update

So I’ve had Ron Sutton on speed dial for a while. The man is an absolute wealth of knowledge and his explanations are such that concepts become working knowledge. Me saying that is scary, I know. Before I go any further, props to Herb, Darren and Britt at Ridetech. Not the first time I’ve dealt or spoken with these guys and the service and attitude is top notch. Brett if you’re reading this, I believe that starts at the top and you run a first class outfit.

Some of you may remember the One Lap Three Amigos doing some pre-race test and tunes here in SoCal. Ridetech and Fox were out that day and they did some rebound adjustments and it worked out pretty well for those guys. Ron Sutton and I had already done some calcs on springs and swaybar rates, so I checked in with Herb Lump at the shock desk (great guy). He sent me the before and after dyno graphs and stated that the addition of a rebound adjustment helps track times but that the shock “liked more spring rate” when they added rebound. Here’s where the journey begins.

I sent Ron’s shock builder my shocks for dyno and revalving. From the dyno graphs Ron concluded the low speed rebound valving was too soft. Not wanting move away from Ron’s proprietary valving curve for optimum track performance, the shocks needed stiffer rebound valving at low speeds without pushing the high speed valving too high. Low speed valving in the 1” to 3” per second range is key to handling performance, but higher piston speeds control bumps.

A part of Ron’s secret sauce is achieving much stiffer low speed rebound valving, to keep the front of the car down during a corner, while not being too stiff in the part of the curve that affects bumps. This requires a digressive rebound curve. They did a lot of testing, but everything tried (shim stacks, replacement pistons) could not get the rebound as digressive as Ron wanted it. Ron took the time to work with Herb and Britt at Ridetech and they discovered Fox had a design for a digressive plate which would allow the rebound to be less linear at the top (higher piston and shaft speeds).

After reviewing the design, Ridetech made the digressive plate in-house. Darren shipped it out overnight to Ron’s shock guy. Ron says the digressive plate is just one piece of the puzzle, but with fine tuning of shock valving and piston bleed circuits, they tailored the curves to achieve Ron’s proprietary curve. After some testing and adjustments, along with Ron’s input on where and how he wanted the shock to perform, the shock was blessed and shipped to me this week. Yeah, it took a while; five parties had to be happy, but in the end it worked out great. I put the shocks back together last night and I’ll take them down to BoS and install them very soon.

At this point, we know the dyno graph looks great but really the proof will be how they perform. We won’t know that until the car hits the track. On paper you can make any shock look right with valving, but some brands will push you right into the wall when valved beyond their limits of grip control. I’m certain the Ridetech units will not have a problem as we didn’t set them on NASCAR (BMF) full kill.

More on this to follow!


Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 504504)
It's 1st and goal buddy...

I think I just burned up two more downs :D

GregWeld 09-28-2013 02:33 PM

When this car is finally finished and you've calculated every 10/1000th of a thing a ma jig ----- I sure hope you can actually drive...

Vegas69 09-28-2013 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 507516)
When this car is finally finished and you've calculated every 10/1000th of a thing a ma jig ----- I sure hope you can actually drive...

Exactly my thought...There certainly won't be any excuses. :mock:

fleet 09-28-2013 03:07 PM

Ronnie, you saved the best for last...or now. ;)

So there's 4 of ya...or 2




depending on what category the 'Ronnies' fall in.



:D

Ron in SoCal 09-28-2013 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 507516)
When this car is finally finished and you've calculated every 10/1000th of a thing a ma jig ----- I sure hope you can actually drive...

Don't count on it. I'm 'compensating' :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 507520)
Exactly my thought...There certainly won't be any excuses. :mock:

It's racing. Everbody has an excuse. :lol:

Ron in SoCal 09-28-2013 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 507522)
Ronnie, you saved the best for last...or now. ;)

:D

Ha Skipper, I just take four years to build a car that should be done in two. That allows me to do that 10/1000th's thing Iron man was referring to above. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Greg from Aus 09-28-2013 04:48 PM

Great to here you are moving in the right direction Ron.:thumbsup:

Matt@BOS 09-28-2013 06:40 PM

Have you thought about getting another driver? As far as I know it is the only part of the car you haven't swapped out, or have extras of.

If you want to upgrade the existing one, I have a couple ideas. If you want to upgrade to a new one, I also have an idea. :D

Greg from Aus 09-28-2013 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 507545)
Have you thought about getting another driver? As far as I know it is the only part of the car you haven't swapped out, or have extras of.

If you want to upgrade the existing one, I have a couple ideas. If you want to upgrade to a new one, I also have an idea. :D

Yeah, I could be available a couple of times a year :peepwall: :mock:

Rick D 09-28-2013 07:06 PM

Wow all this for a show car?? :poke: :mock: :lostmarbles:

You know when's its done it will be to nice to drive :lol:

All the love Ron!!!! :thumbsup:

fleet 09-28-2013 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 507545)
Have you thought about getting another driver? As far as I know it is the only part of the car you haven't swapped out, or have extras of.

If you want to upgrade the existing one, I have a couple ideas. If you want to upgrade to a new one, I also have an idea. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg from Aus (Post 507547)
Yeah, I could be available a couple of times a year :peepwall: :mock:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick D (Post 507557)
Wow all this for a show car?? :poke: :mock: :lostmarbles:

You know when's its done it will be to nice to drive :lol:

All the love Ron!!!! :thumbsup:


The Rontourage ... we're always there for ya Ron.


:tv_happy:

Rick D 09-28-2013 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 507565)
The Rontourage ... we're always there for ya Ron.


:tv_happy:

Proud member here :hairpullout: :hapdance:

chr2002ca 09-30-2013 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 507520)
Exactly my thought...There certainly won't be any excuses. :mock:

My AFCO's are dual adjustable, but there's a label next to the adjustment knobs: "What the hell are you fiddling with these for? You can't even drive you dumb sh_t."

How much time left Ron before we see you and this ride of yours somewhere? Can't wait. :thumbsup:

Ron in SoCal 09-30-2013 01:46 PM

Thanks Skip and Rick for maintaining the club :lol:

Matt/Greg you guys have carte blanche, but for the first year I'm instituting a you break it, you fit it...you crash it, you own it policy. :idea:

Quote:

Originally Posted by chr2002ca (Post 507814)
My AFCO's are dual adjustable, but there's a label next to the adjustment knobs: "What the hell are you fiddling with these for? You can't even drive you dumb sh_t."

How much time left Ron before we see you and this ride of yours somewhere? Can't wait. :thumbsup:

Hey I have that same knob! It's even marked too :D

How are you doing Chris? Shocks go on late this week, fab rotation next week. I'd hate to put a date on it, but we're gonna move quickly after this.

:cheers:

tones2SS 09-30-2013 04:38 PM

Good news Ron.
I am a follower of the "Rontourage". :RunninDog:

Track Junky 09-30-2013 06:34 PM

Good luck out on the track Ron!! Stay focused and listen to your gut!! :thumbsup:

Greg from Aus 09-30-2013 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 507821)
Thanks Skip and Rick for maintaining the club :lol:

Matt/Greg you guys have carte blanche, but for the first year I'm instituting a you break it, you fit it...you crash it, you own it policy. :idea:



Hey I have that same knob! It's even marked too :D

How are you doing Chris? Shocks go on late this week, fab rotation next week. I'd hate to put a date on it, but we're gonna move quickly after this.

:cheers:

HA Ha Ron, glad to see it's back on track, can't wait for the updates. :thumbsup:

GregWeld 09-30-2013 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 507821)
Matt/Greg you guys have carte blanche, but for the first year I'm instituting a you break it, you fit it...you crash it, you own it policy. :idea:




I just sent my son - Alex - to Bondurant for 4 days of private Formula Mazda driving --- BEFORE --- he gets in the Lotus at Laguna Seca.

It's real simple -- No Driving school -- no driving in any of my stuff!

Greg from Aus 09-30-2013 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 507874)
I just sent my son - Alex - to Bondurant for 4 days of private Formula Mazda driving --- BEFORE --- he gets in the Lotus at Laguna Seca.

It's real simple -- No Driving school -- no driving in any of my stuff!

Thanks Greg, I did the 4 days at Bondurant as a refresher. :bigun2:

Vegas69 09-30-2013 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 507874)
I just sent my son - Alex - to Bondurant for 4 days of private Formula Mazda driving --- BEFORE --- he gets in the Lotus at Laguna Seca.

It's real simple -- No Driving school -- no driving in any of my stuff!

Bologna, it's wise to take a six figure with over 650hp on a road course with no experience.:_paranoid

Ron in SoCal 09-30-2013 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 507914)
Bologna, it's wise to take a six figure with over 650hp on a road course with no experience.:_paranoid

Is it just my computer or did you take the "Victory Donut" video down? :lol:

https://lateral-g.net/forums/show...&postcount=753

intocarss 09-30-2013 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 507874)
I just sent my son - Alex - to Bondurant for 4 days of private Formula Mazda driving --- BEFORE --- he gets in the Lotus at Laguna Seca.

It's real simple -- No Driving school -- no driving in any of my stuff!

Has your son ever driven on a road course before??

DFRESH 09-30-2013 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 507874)
I just sent my son - Alex - to Bondurant for 4 days of private Formula Mazda driving --- BEFORE --- he gets in the Lotus at Laguna Seca.

It's real simple -- No Driving school -- no driving in any of my stuff!

I'll go to school "DAD". Just let me know when.

Loving Son.

D

GregWeld 09-30-2013 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 507927)
Has your son ever driven on a road course before??




Yes Jerr he has -- this is his second time thru Bondurant --- and he's also done the ZO6's at Spring Mountain (3 day course) --- and has done 6 speed shifter carts.

However... the little Lotus can be driven quite fast... and therefore a "dust up" course was a prerequisite.

GregWeld 09-30-2013 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DFRESH (Post 507930)
I'll go to school "DAD". Just let me know when.

Loving Son.

D



I'm sending you to Nordstrom....

Ron in SoCal 09-30-2013 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 507934)
I'm sending you to Nordstrom....

Isn't that a little high end for Doug? :lol:

Sieg 09-30-2013 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 507934)
I'm sending you to Nordstrom....

That's going PO the Old Navy share holders.

fleet 09-30-2013 09:45 PM

Dress for success.

http://media2.giphy.com/media/D6jA50m3Rc5ws/giphy.gif

Flash68 09-30-2013 10:32 PM

Ron, will this be faster than a 993? :underchair:

Matt@BOS 09-30-2013 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 507948)
Ron, will this be faster than a 993? :underchair:

Faster at gobbling up money? Yes.

Ron in SoCal 10-01-2013 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 507948)
Ron, will this be faster than a 993? :underchair:

Yes. :computer:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 507952)
Faster at gobbling up money? Yes.

Yes. :rules:

GregWeld 10-01-2013 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 507952)
Faster at gobbling up money? Yes.




Maybe you haven't heard --- Ron hasn't paid his bill this month so the government has shut down.

fleet 10-01-2013 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 507987)
Maybe you haven't heard --- Ron hasn't paid his bill this month so the government has shut down.

That's not gonna be good for anybody.


http://gifs.gifbin.com/reverse-12378...e-audience.gif




:tv_happy:

Rick D 10-01-2013 08:47 AM

Yeah Ron come on pay your bill!!! Lol oh wait maybe Greg should pay his first!!! Lo

tones2SS 10-01-2013 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 507948)
Ron, will this be faster than a 993? :underchair:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 507952)
Faster at gobbling up money? Yes.

HA HA!!!
:G-Dub:

FETorino 10-01-2013 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 507948)
Ron, will this be faster than a 993? :underchair:

Maybe but not faster than a Ford. :stirthepot: Get used to the view. :lmao:
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0bf30be4.jpg


That's 6 in 48 hours Ron.:mock:

:cheers:


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