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Ron in SoCal 03-29-2011 09:09 PM

The corvette guys I spoke to running NT05s seem to love them for a 200 treadwear, but for us guys running 18" rears they are non-existent last time I checked...

Track Junky 03-29-2011 09:21 PM

The easiest solution is two sets of rims and tires. As far as tire choices for you, I'd say NT01's for the SCCA autocross events and I cant remember if the 200 tread wear Nitto's were 05's or 555's but one of those for the PT events.

Yeah I know, not cheap, but if you spend it now it will save you some frustration later.

Track Junky 03-29-2011 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 341078)
The corvette guys I spoke to running NT05s seem to love them for a 200 treadwear, but for us guys running 18" rears they are non-existent last time I checked...

No 05's for 18" rims? Thats surprising. You sure?

Vegas69 03-29-2011 09:33 PM

I have a few thoughts right now.

Option #1
Mount up my R888's on my current rims and do it all like I orginally intended when I bought these wheels. By all I mean, autocross, road race, and street. Also being able to drive to the track. Run exibition if I must and be able to do it all reasonably well. Clearly the most economical since I have the wheels and tires already. :D

Option #2
Buy another set of rims 18" rims (Likely my street rims) and mount my current KDW's. Then mount my R888's on my current rims OR put a set of A6's on them and trailer to the track. My only hold back here is the difference between R888's and street tread isn't HUGE.

Option #3
Go to a Vintage Wheel Works 17" wheel for race. 17x11 and 17x9.5. Then I can run Kuhmo V700's, R888's, or A6's easily. They are inexpensive and you can get custom backspacing. I can buy rims and tires for just North of $2k.

Since the upcoming Super Chevy show is 100 treads. I'll likely start with option 1 and take it from there. I'd like to stay with the same widths so my alignment doesn't change between wheels.

Option #4 (Shameless) If any of our site sponsors would like to throw a set of wheels my way. I'm sure my 210,000 view thread, event performances, and general post whoring duties could benefit your business multiple times over the cost of the wheels.

Sieg 03-29-2011 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 341078)
The corvette guys I spoke to running NT05s seem to love them for a 200 treadwear, but for us guys running 18" rears they are non-existent last time I checked...

I just put 18's on my car, but the largest 18 is 295/35's, they also have up to 335/19's and 315/20's. The NT-01R's are their DOT roadrace tire. No experience with my 05's as it's still raining and snowing in my neighborhood.

http://www.nittotire.com/index.html

Sieg 03-29-2011 09:40 PM

Todd - Face it your car and you need all out slicks so you can explore the limits. Screw the class rules. :D

Or you need a support vehicle and umbrella girls. :unibrow:

Vegas69 03-29-2011 09:44 PM

You really ain't much help...:unibrow: :rofl:

Track Junky 03-29-2011 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 341081)
Option #3
Go to a Vintage Wheel Works 17" wheel for race. 17x11 and 17x9.5. Then I can run Kuhmo V700's, R888's, or A6's easily. They are inexpensive and you can get custom backspacing. I can buy rims and tires for just North of $2k.

Since the upcoming Super Chevy show is 100 treads. I'll likely start with option 1 and take it from there. I'd like to stay with the same widths so my alignment doesn't change between wheels.

Now your talkin'!! I was thinking about those wheels also. Cant beat it for the price. The only thing holding me back is the weight of the wheels, 25 lbs. Probably not too bad for the autocross gig but maybe a bit heavy for road race. The wheels I've got my eye on are $1300 a pop. Their 18x10.5's are 18 lbs. Gibson Wheels makes them. I'll make a decision depending on what I sell that other '69 I picked up for. Reality is my pocket book makes the decisions when it comes to my car.

Sieg 03-29-2011 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 341085)
You really ain't much help...:unibrow: :rofl:

Hey! It's not my fault your car large appendages. :cool:

Vegas69 03-29-2011 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 341086)
Now your talkin'!! I was thinking about those wheels also. Cant beat it for the price. The only thing holding me back is the weight of the wheels, 25 lbs. Probably not too bad for the autocross gig but maybe a bit heavy for road race. The wheels I've got my eye on are $1300 a pop. Their 18x10.5's are 18 lbs. Gibson Wheels makes them. I'll make a decision depending on what I sell that other '69 I picked up for. Reality is my pocket book makes the decisions when it comes to my car.

Wow, those babies are trick. To rich for my blood to save 7lbs. :unibrow: The only obstacle with the Vintage Wheel Works is if they clear C6 brakes. I am liking the Kuhmo V700 option. The tires are cheap and 50 treadwears they claim you can run autocross/roadrace.

Track Junky 03-29-2011 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 341088)
Wow, those babies are trick. To rich for my blood to save 7lbs. :unibrow: The only obstacle with the Vintage Wheel Works is if they clear C6 brakes. I am liking the Kuhmo V700 option. The tires are cheap and 50 treadwears they claim you can run autocross/roadrace.

Yeah, rich boy wheels and on the wish list.

A6's are getting better reviews at tirerack.com. People claiming the V700's are chunking. For the guys that aren't complaining, yes they are fast but I'm afraid of them coming apart on me.

Preventitive measure ------- if you do get A6's or V700's be sure to put all fours on jack stands after a road race run. My theory on these tires chunking is because they are very soft and when parked after being super heated they cool off with a flat spot. Just a theory but a preventative measure I plan on practicing.

Ron in SoCal 03-30-2011 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 341080)
No 05's for 18" rims? Thats surprising. You sure?

Last I checked --

http://www.nittotire.com/functions/t....asp?tire=nt05

Payton King 03-30-2011 06:29 AM

Funny thing those tire sizes
 
Picked up a set of HRE's in 18x9.5 and 19x12.5. Really wanted to run the R888, but they do not make a 335 in a 19. I did end up with the NT05's because they do make 335 in a 19. Have not got my car back together, but I can tell you from the "finger nail" test they are pretty soft. Will know more in a month.

2 sets of rims are really the way to go, I would like to have a set of CCW C14's with a set of A6's for track days.

I am with you though, not real concerned not getting to compete in some of the events from a prize standpoint just as long as I get to run. Would much rather have a set of sticky tires.

Track Junky 03-30-2011 10:46 AM

The NT05 is a drag radial? Thats how Nitto's web site characterises it. How many of you guys have been using these for autocross and road course?

JustinB 03-30-2011 10:51 AM

The NT05 is not a drag radial. It has a 200 tread-wear. The NTO5R is a drag radial. We have set up tons of guys with NT05's with great feedback.

Track Junky 03-30-2011 11:18 AM

Ah yes, found it under "street tires". Thanks Justin. Anybody have reviews on the NT01's?

Vegas69 03-30-2011 05:47 PM

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...gelines007.jpg
Decision has been made for now. R888's are going back on the car. I should say my old rears are going back on and I've ordered a set of shaved fronts in a slightly wider width than before. :unibrow: My old rears just happen to be shaved depth. When I originally went down this road it was for a few different reasons.

1. I can still pro tour on these tires with reasonable life expectancy. Clearly my shaved tires will only give me half the life expecancy. If I can get 6 months to a year out of them, I'm OK with that. Unshaved will go 10k.
2. I can autocross and road race on the same set. Not the BEST autocross tire, but they are somewhere between a street tire and an A6.
3. I can still drive to the track. Trailering to the local track is going to be a buzz kill. I enjoy the early Sunday morning drive and evening cruise through the Lake almost as much as the racing. Throw it in overdrive and relax, give it hell, and throw it in overdrive and relax.

At this point, I've chased the neon rainbow with my street tires. I was lucky enough to run the Optima Street Car Invitational. The BFG's will still be laying around if I decide I want to fight for a spot. The reality will likely be me running exibition from here on out. Can I beat DSE and Finch at this point? NO My car is to fat and I'm not a good enough driver. I'm man enough to admit it. :unibrow: I've got a 666hp missile here that needs all the grip I can get. Especially competing againsty these SCCA guys! So, in normal PT style, I'm going to ride the fence. My tire of choice is going to be something that can do it all. Maybe it's not ideal, but it will do it all reasonably.

Track Junky 03-30-2011 07:09 PM

Definitely the best practical choice. I'm going to have to pick up the A6's only because after this season the car is most likely going back up on the shelf. I have a detatched garage that needs to get built and spending money on my car hasn't helped me move forward on that project.

Vegas69 03-30-2011 07:27 PM

I agree, my plate is full already. This is the most economical decision for ALL venues. :cheers: Plus, it gives me a chance in hell of running with you on the road course.

Track Junky 03-30-2011 07:45 PM

Well if I dont see you out at Buttonwillow this season maybe will cross paths in 2013. Unless I hit the lotto before then. :cheers: Cheers!!

Ron in SoCal 03-30-2011 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 341194)
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...gelines007.jpg
Decision has been made for now. R888's are going back on the car. I should say my old rears are going back on and I've ordered a set of shaved fronts in a slightly wider width than before. :unibrow: My old rears just happen to be shaved depth. When I originally went down this road it was for a few different reasons.

1. I can still pro tour on these tires with reasonable life expectancy. Clearly my shaved tires will only give me half the life expecancy. If I can get 6 months to a year out of them, I'm OK with that. Unshaved will go 10k.
2. I can autocross and road race on the same set. Not the BEST autocross tire, but they are somewhere between a street tire and an A6.
3. I can still drive to the track. Trailering to the local track is going to be a buzz kill. I enjoy the early Sunday morning drive and evening cruise through the Lake almost as much as the racing. Throw it in overdrive and relax, give it hell, and throw it in overdrive and relax.

At this point, I've chased the neon rainbow with my street tires. I was lucky enough to run the Optima Street Car Invitational. The BFG's will still be laying around if I decide I want to fight for a spot. The reality will likely be me running exibition from here on out. Can I beat DSE and Finch at this point? NO My car is to fat and I'm not a good enough driver. I'm man enough to admit it. :unibrow: I've got a 666hp missile here that needs all the grip I can get. Especially competing againsty these SCCA guys! So, in normal PT style, I'm going to ride the fence. My tire of choice is going to be something that can do it all. Maybe it's not ideal, but it will do it all reasonably.

I gotta agree w everything you said above, Todd. Who says you're not a PT addict if you're not running 200 treadwear? Not me. Now I'm not knocking anyone who does, nor the 'rule' at these events, but I made the decision long ago that a little stickier tire was a good thing. You and I and anyone else can still run at these events and hang out w the crowd, and they can fight over the $5 trophy. The R888s might be a problem in the under 140 TW class though...

Maybe we'll start our own class! :thumbsup:

awr68 03-30-2011 09:56 PM

I love the look of the R888! IIRC, You loved this tire before, right? :thumbsup:

Vegas69 03-31-2011 08:14 AM

Love would be a strong term, but I certainly liked them better than anything else on the car. The biggest difference is the rear side bite. The only bad thing is I get to go back to the drawing board on set up. I have notes from when I had them on before, the problem is I have changed out the springs. :D

Bow Tie 67 03-31-2011 10:12 AM

How much are PS2's compared to the R888? I have been told they are a much better tire than the KDW's. BFG also mentioned they are coming out with a new KDW that is better, I just dont know when they will be released.

I " love " my R888's and will be running PS 2's this summer, so I will know first hand in 4 to 6 weeks. Man these winters are @$#%# long.

Vegas69 03-31-2011 10:19 AM

Hey Matt, the PS2 is big money compared to both. I've got the rear R888's already and bought a pair of shaved fronts cheap. I'll be interested to know what you think. I know the PS2 is faster than the KDW. It's twice the money. :D

Vegas69 04-01-2011 11:01 PM

It's been a long fun road but it's time to say good bye. My car is SOLD. I was contacted by an individual from Saudi Arabia and I just can't pass up the offer. I'm not sure what I'll build next. Thanks for all the support guys. :cheers:

Flash68 04-01-2011 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 341522)
It's been a long fun road but it's time to say good bye. My car is SOLD. I was contacted by an individual from Saudi Arabia and I just can't pass up the offer. I'm not sure what I'll build next. Thanks for all the support guys. :cheers:

You f*ckface! Okay, what's the price, or ballpark? And what's next? It's a sad day in the pro touring world my friend.....

frojoe 04-01-2011 11:18 PM

Hmm this smells of the 1st of April...

frojoe 04-01-2011 11:26 PM

Holy crap, I already got a PM from him saying this is the real deal... I guess it is a sad day, not gonna lie, this was my favourite Camaro on the site, it makes up a ton of the pics on my rotating desktop background. Good luck on the next one!!!! :cheers:

Vegas69 04-01-2011 11:32 PM

Thanks guys...:cheers: I've got some ideas floating around. Stielow is on 10 or 11 so I hope to follow in his footsteps. I've learned so much building Payback. She's going to a good home.

JKnight 04-01-2011 11:51 PM

Yeah. I'm calling it. BS!

CrossRamRich 04-02-2011 12:18 AM

One less competitor to deal with this year. Get some of that oil money back to the USA!:unibrow:

bigtyme1 04-02-2011 02:53 AM

The car pretty much sucked anyway, the driver is a close second!

cdushane 04-02-2011 06:52 AM

April fools is now over..........:_paranoid

Vegas69 04-02-2011 07:55 AM

At least I got Ron.....:rofl:

Track Junky 04-02-2011 12:14 PM

LMAO...:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: dude, you are too funny. And to think a few of you fell for it :D

BBC69Camaro 04-02-2011 12:39 PM

At first I was shocked then noticed the date on the post :lol:

Ron in SoCal 04-02-2011 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 341547)
At least I got Ron.....:rofl:

Yeah you did! Long day, a couple of 'frosties' and I was 1/2 way through your next build sheet...:lol:

coolwelder62 04-02-2011 07:46 PM

:lol:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 341522)
It's been a long fun road but it's time to say good bye. My car is SOLD. I was contacted by an individual from Saudi Arabia and I just can't pass up the offer. I'm not sure what I'll build next. Thanks for all the support guys. :cheers:

I was told he got 2 camel's and a herad of goat's staight up trade.

GregWeld 04-03-2011 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolwelder62 (Post 341612)
:lol: I was told he got 2 camel's and a herad of goat's staight up trade.

Then he paid too much! POS will have to be completely rebuilt with some parts that can handle. Start with some leaf springs and Monroe shocks. 605 steering box... Crate motor from GM... White Vinyl top.... Poverty caps...


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