After some long discussions with Paul at Liberty, I sent my 600 to them. It was a brand new unit never run, so magnifluxing was not necessary. For you guys who have thrashed the box, you may want to consider the small cost of magging as insurance. Any way face plating was not an option for street use and just want the box to shift smoother and better at higher rpm since the ls7 can rev a bit. Heres what you can expect to spend if you send them your box, got mine back mid October.
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Okay so I just got off the phone with them. He was still calling it face plating, even though its technically pro shifting. He say's their site can be confusing..

In a nut shell though they take .20 thousands off the face of the gears to shift smoother. All of the synchros are removed except 1st gear and the rest are dog ringed.

They also heat treated the gears which takes two weeks alone, in addition to chyron'g them.

I think Libert's site reffering to "Face Plating" not recommended for the street is a clutchless setup.

So thanks guys for asking now I think I'm unserstanding the process more and more. I kind of need to see these things before giving first hand knowledge..

How is Liberty selling upgraded units for $2375? When a new TKO 600 is $2195? Are they doing the same $500 worth of upgrades they would to a trans you would send them direct for $175? Something doesnt add up......

reference my post above. they are doing everything because there is a lot of profit in these things, and they use that profit to help offset the cost of the upgrades if you buy from them. i talked to a dealer and i was told they used to get the 600 for about 1100. that was a few price increases back though.

the $68 price included the first 4 line items, although i was told that the 4th line would be an "ea" price for 2-3-4th making that line $30.

the fifth line cannot be done without sending your case to them.

id like to hear what lines 6-8 do.

still only $218 ($68 that i posted (1-4) plus lines 6-8) if you do it all yourself and you dont include the front bearing revision.

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YInteresting........ I know nobody will sell one for less than retail unless you are a dealer or have an inside connection of sorts. Seems like this would be frowned upon by other Tremec dealers? Maybe not...

i dont see why it would. they arent selling for less than the min price, they are just giving you an incentive to buy from them. no different than guys throwing in free shipping.

No one is selling a "stock" TKO 600 for less than the 2195 that I can find.

If they want to "discount" their upgrades, as Tim is saying, seems like a great way to move some product and they still make money. Don't know why that would ruffle any feathers...


Anyway.... I talked to Paul @ Liberty twice today. Very nice guy.

I inquired specifically about the $2375 upgraded/synchronized TKO 600.

Paul says the shifting is good up to around 6800 rpm they have found.

He also concurred that face-plating is not for street cars.

The surface enhancement procedure involves a shot-peening process which makes it slide easier and it reduces/minimizes wear for increased longevity.

He also talked at length about the carbon fiber blocking rings but I can't really regurgitate much from all that ... I got overwhelmed and stopped taking some notes. :lol:

Bottom line is it seems to be a very nice upgrade over a stock TKO 600 for not much more money.

I am gonna think on it a bit more and inspect my Muncie this week when we pull it out and make a final decision. But if I order one before Xmas, this should arrive by 1st/2nd week of January.

I'm leaning towards ordering the parts and installing them meeeself.

what was the deal with the two prices. both list the same parts, one for ~150 more than the other. was it a typo as suspected?

guinea pig.... cough.... guinea pig. just do it!