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3550# fat car with 40 year old suspension technology underneath it...except for a modern soft spring big bar setup.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/RF...c=w980-h653-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Q3...-=w720-h358-no

Car runs a 600# spring up front with a 1.5" diameter 0.375" wall front sway bar.

List of cars it beat in last Sunday's autocross in Raw time:

2000 Pontiac Trans AM WS6
2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe
2013 Scion FR-S
1997 Ford Mustang Cobra
1965 Factory Fi Cobra
2014 Ford Fiesta ST
2013 Scion FR-S
2005 Subaru Impreza WRX STi
1989 Honda Civic Si
1972 Int'l Harvester Scout II
1992 Chevrolet Corvette
1994 Chevrolet Cavalier
2003 Mazda Miata
2006 Mitsubishi Evolution IX MR
2010 Porsche 911 4S Cab
2014 Nissan 370Z
1998 BMW 328is
1999 Mazda Miata
2011 Subaru WRX
2013 Fiat Abarth
2008 Volkswagen R32
2014 Nissan 370Z
2013 Fiat Abarth
95 Margay Lynx
1991 Mazda miata
2015 Subaru WRX STi
2013 Subaru BRZ
1991 Mazda MX5 Miata
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo
11 Camero
1997 Mazda Miata
1991 Ford Mustang
2008 Volkswagen R32
2013 Chevrolet Camaro
2005 Volkswagen Jetta GLI
2013 Scion FR-S
2015 Subaru WRX
2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo
2004 Porsche 911
2013 Ford Focus ST
1997 Mazda Miata
1991 Mazda Miata
2015 Ford Mustang GT
1984 Porsche 944
Mazda Mazdaspeed3
2002 Mazda Miata
2008 Mini Cooper
1999 Ford Mustang Cobra
2002 Honda S2000
2007 Mini Couper
2009 Mazda Mazdaspeed 3
2014 Ford Focus ST
1994 Toyota Tercel
Ford Focus
1967 Pontiac Firebird
2013 Ford Mustang GT
MX5
2013 Fiat Abarth 500c
2015 Scion FRS
2003 Mazda Miata
86 Nissan 300zx
86 Nissan 300 zx
1972 Int'l Harvester Scout II
1990 Mazda Miata
2006 Ford Focus
14 Honda Civic SI
2012 Scion tC
2006 Pontiac gto
1987 Pontiac Fiero GT
1992 Mazda Miata
2008 Mazda Mazda 3
BMW 328i
2000 Ford Mustang GT
1979 Chevrolet Camaro
95 Miata
09 Honda Fit
00 Mustang
1987 Pontiac Fiero GT

Same car finished 16th out of 64 of the best of the best CAM cars and drivers at CAM East a few weeks ago, with less tire, less brake and less horsepower than a lot of the cars behind it.

This particular car would not finish like it has shown it can many times over...without a finely tuned SSBB setup.

Other cars and setups may be different but to say autocross is a one trick pony that only a stiff spring car can run well at is just incorrect.

Sigh.....let me fix that for you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSLance (Post 615050)

List of cars that I drove better than they did in last Sunday's autocross in Raw time:

I beat a guy in a ZR1 last weekend, I don't think my car is better than his.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rod P (Post 615040)

I am re-posting my answers because I believe they were lost in the scuttle

big bar/soft spring?

that choice is mostly decided from training and driving style..

for me...I run my 68 Camaro with 800 lb front springs and the DSE sway bar...my upper control arms pivot point has been moved from stock (modified Guldstrand) and that creates a jacking effect so essentially my car is in camber moment at all times...the lower control arm has the shock mount moved closer to the ball joint than standard arms....and the triple adjust front shocks i have run a digressive piston....on the rear I run a 325 spring on a triangulated 4 link and the triple adjust rear shocks i have run a digressive piston, I use the Helwig Protour rear bar....the weight of my car is 3150 with full interior, radio, heater, full tank and Cage the engine is a 6.0 LS.....

my set up is big bar/medium spring
and even with the poundage of springs I run you can see how my car fully compresses coming off the rumble strips at 90mph at the Vegas Track

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hope that helps

How big is the bar? 1"or 1 1/4"?

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSLance (Post 615050)

1972 Int'l Harvester Scout II

Same car finished 16th out of 64 of the best of the best CAM cars and drivers at CAM East a few weeks ago, with less tire, less brake and less horsepower than a lot of the cars behind it.

This particular car would not finish like it has shown it can many times over...without a finely tuned SSBB setup.

Other cars and setups may be different but to say autocross is a one trick pony that only a stiff spring car can run well at is just incorrect.

ok right there gives you midwest PIMP status in my book. HAaaaa haaaaa f-n-a :thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by dontlifttoshift (Post 615063)

Sigh.....let me fix that for you.

I beat a guy in a ZR1 last weekend, I don't think my car is better than his.

yep, every dog has his day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jr (Post 615072)

How big is the bar? 1"or 1 1/4"?

the front bar is 1-1/8" Hollow, Anti-Roll Bar Rate: 1532 lb/in.

the rear bar is 3/4" hollow, heat treated with 3 adjustable rates
rate 225: Acts like a: 21.49 mm bar
rate 240: Acts like a: 21.85 mm bar
rate 255: Acts like a: 22.18 mm bar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 615075)

yep, every dog has his day.

:popcorn2: this dog is still waiting

Thanks for the props Donny, means a lot to me coming from a driver of your caliber. I'm trying to be as good as I can get.

That International Harvestor is a Good Guys winner btw... ;) It is bad arse...

I'm glad you see it that way.

I'm a hack, though.....That Mason kid, he can wheel.

I have lots of video of me passing people.... I have lots of video of people passing me... My car is faster than I am. LOL