So are we talking night and day better than prior here?

Muttstang sitting in MI

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I'm more than a little sad that I'm not there........ adding to the sadness is that my car is a long way from done.........

After the mad thrash getting the brakes working properly, and running a day of practice before Motorstate. The brakes work better then they ever have. Had throttle return spring break second session, and stick wide open. In my third, while at 125ish slowing for the last turn, I down shifted the transmission let go, sounded horrible.

Pulled the trans, it doesn't look too bad. Hoping to get it to G force for some TLC. I'll call them tomorrow to see what a freshen up cost.

Great news on the brakes Ron.... obvious bummer on the trans deal. Hopefully it ain't too bad and you can get back up and out there.

Sory to hear about the trans. It was good to meet you at the Motorstate cruise.

Did you measure pressures AFTER the changes made?? Just curious.

Sorry about the trans - but that's racin'.

After multiple changes between masters,i settled on 7/8 f/ 3/4r which yeilded roughly 1000psi front and rear when really standing on it, and the bias bar on the middle setting.

she looks bad azz at speed.

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Dave, I fixed it :lol:

Ron was cool enough to give me a ride in our open track session Wednesday night at Gingerman...holy shnikeys, that was fun.

:thankyou: Ron!

Right back at you Aaron, I'm still in awe of how well the Chevelle does, C5 brakes work amazing on that car. Your sure not afraid to lean on that thing!!! Still think I liked your line better.

Appreciate that Ron. I'm just a mid-pack guy at best, having an absolute blast trying though. After all the laps at Gingerman, both open session and on Friday, I've determined I'm in need of ...:morepower

No matter what line I took, I maxed at 118mph each session. So I'm sure I'm givin' her all she had. I haven't looked, but my toe boards are probably bulged out from pressing the go pedal so hard. My time kept dropping, but I was making it up everywhere but the straights.

I'm sooo bummed I was not able to attend with the Nova this year :-( , but that's life!! I have time now over the fall/winter to finish the build at something less than a neck breaking speed and do things at a pace that will allow me to change my mind on some aspects if desired. Glad you guys had a great time, hope to see you in Vegas!!

R/
Jeff

Having the weirdest time with this car. G Force called yesterday and said they didn't see anything wrong with this trans. When it broke, one of the other racers pitted next to me helped push it on the trailer. I asked if he would look under and see if the drive shaft was turning when I let out the clutch and the horrible grinding noise occurred, he said it wasn't. Has to be the transmission right? Since then I've pulled the clutch(perfect), pulled the rear just in case the other racer was wrong, disassemble the Waveloc(perfect), and checked the drive plates(perfect). I even thought maybe the yoke stripped, but it was perfect.

Either someone at G Force is blind, or I am, kind of baffled at this point. Hoping to go up and look at the trans my self later to day. Weird!!

How about the input shaft bushing/bearing in the crankshaft.... Or the Throwout bearing...

Got car back together with minutes to spare for the Ohio Muscle Car Challenge, squeaked out a 2nd place on the road course. Amazing what rear brakes and some decent tires will do for a mediocre driver.

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Oh boo hoo.... just ask Charley -- your brakes were "FINE".



Good to hear it worked out for ya.

Odd to see green grass at a race track in August.
Nice goin' Ron. :thumbsup:

Congrats on the second place Ron Well Done!!!
Was the trans the problem?

Weirdest thing, no it ended up being the clutch. The clutch looks brand new, like it just came out of the box, but something failed. I think the metal tore behind the friction material where I can't see it.

Can I use this vague excuse with Gwen?

Buying a set of pics from the track photographer in Pittsburg. When I was looking at the prints I noticed the camber issue on my passenger side front tire.

Don't really know if this is normal or not. Contact patch is kind of pitiful. Driver side is awesome, but makes me kind of wonder if a full 2 degrees is too much for a tire that wide. If you look at the Mustang I'm passing his skinnies are flat on the road.

Pictures depict well the high camber, and low grip on the inside tire. I have to admit I was late passing the other car, so I was probably a little hot in the corner. It just doesn't seem to be optimum for what it is, thinking of making some changes up front.

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First off Ron the turn in the pic cambers to the inside so that will magnify the air space at the outside of the inside tire. The only way to really know if your alignment is good is to check tire temps.
On the same note.....when I went from 275's to 295's I never changed my alignment settings and was dragging the inside of the inside tire. The steering felt heavy and I was scrubbing a lot of speed off in the corners. In addition the tires temps were hotter on the inside than they were on the outside.
I went from 1.7 to 1.3 for the next track day and it was like night and day. The split in temps between out side and inside of tire was only 2* with the outside being hotter.
Blew me away on how only .4 degrees in camber made such a huge difference.

Thanks G, I really do believe 2 degrees is way too much for my setup. Center of gravity is so low, and the car just runs so flat through the turns, I think I'll cut it back to 1.5 and see how it does. Funny how seeing pictures while really leaning on the car can help to confirm something though.

I really need to take this more seriously, stop running every lap I can, including the cool down. Come in early hit the tire temps quick, and stop just using track time as my personal stress therapy.

Sounds to me like you've got it figured out Ron.

No prob. It took me 3-4 years (probably a total of 12 track days at most) to finally get my car where I want it. I would do 3-4 laps a session then come in and make adjustments. In addition to changing parts (in between track days) at the track I was having to have to pull the jack out, lift the car, put it on jack stands and make shock, rear roll center, tire air pressure adjustments, etc, etc. What a pain. I think I learned a lot doing it though and(knock on wood)I finally got the car dialed in.(For me anyways)

Funny though, I always studied my on track pictures. This isn't a hobby, its a disease :lol:

It's at least worth a try, though I suspect you'll sacrifice more outside tire grip than you'll gain on the inside tire. Even as low as your car is, the inside front is still going to be pretty lightly loaded and can't gain all that much.


FWIW, that Mustang doesn't look like he's running nearly enough negative camber for that car, particularly with what I assume is still a strut suspension - I'm seeing camber that's slightly positive on his outside tire, and radial tires tend to actually grip best at a slightly negative camber Maybe he's running a mildly aggressive performance street setting. Terry Fair at Vorshlag has done lots of testing on the S197 chassis and has ended up using a serious amount of negative camber (somewhere well out past -3°, IIRC).


Norm

Those newer strut Mustangs do seem to work pretty well Norm. Funny how you figure it all on paper, cycle the suspension, try everything you can think of to get it right, but until you see the parts real world in action, your never sure what its going to do.

Killing time before I leave for OK, so I thought I'd post some pics from OMCC

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Such a cool car Ron!! Have fun on Drag Week!!:trophy-1302:

That blue does photograph well. The guy driving has the perfect face for radio.

Funny!! My exact thoughts Payton. :D

Or a milk carton :D

LOL

It's the damnedest things you see when you don't have a gun!

Apparently there are those on the board that don't own mirrors, but for everyone else your welcome.LOL

Don't feel bad Ron, this group is about the ugliest mob of people under the sun. :D

Someone just sent me this from the Speed Hunters web site. Article was on Ken Blocks 4x4 Mustang drift car. If you scroll down the article and get to the design inspiration board that they put together.There is a couple pics of this Mustang on there, one of the chassis, and one complete. Kinda cool

http://www.speedhunters.com/2014/12/...r-build-story/

Not kinda cool... VERY COOL! :Tomcat:

Do you think they started with a $5,000 budget too? :stirthepot:

That is waaaay cool. One of the greatest videos in our time (IMO) and your car was "looked at" for some kind of inspiration. That is just awesome on so many levels. I love this sport.

And did you read further down in the comments about all the haters "you hacked up an old mustang, wah wah wah" , give it a rest. This build was done to the "nines", and if you don't like it, ya gotta respect it (kinda like barbara streisand lol, i dont like her voice or style, but shes very good)

I love that thing, really digging what they did. Did some research on the fully sequential transmission/transfer case in that car. Looks like it is about 50k. So far out of the realm of thought for any normal builds. Sure is cool though.