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ironworks 12-10-2009 02:28 PM

Kendall, We are focusing on getting some customer stuff done to pay the bills after SEMA. We have done some odds and ends on the Chassisworks camaro but we plan to start getting busy on that car around Christmas.

We plan to run the Virginia City Hill Climb, The Silver State Classic and The One lap of America Event in May. Plus the AutoX events at as many Goodguys shows that we can make.

Rodger

Kendall Burleson 12-10-2009 07:52 PM

Let me know what good guys events you are going to run it went you pick the ones the camaro will be at.:) :)

rs sports 12-11-2009 07:36 AM

very very nice work dave. by the way this is randy

dhondagod 12-29-2009 10:21 PM

Amazing.... :hail:



Chris:cool:

nvr2fst 12-29-2009 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rs sports (Post 253994)
very very nice work dave. by the way this is randy

Thanks Randy, glad to see you became a member. Post up in the new member section when you get a chance with some of your scca cars.

ironworks 12-31-2009 01:52 PM

Well Here are some pictures, these pics do not do that amount of work done to the back end of this car justice. There is more new metal then by about 2 to 1 ratio from the front fenders to the tailpanel of the car.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009136.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009135.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009116.jpg

It became easier to just piece together the bumper from about 3 different cars. We have now removed the tail panel completely to get the rear set up like we want. It is amazing how much time an inch here and an inch there can take. But how much of a difference an inch here and an inch there can make in the whole look.

pacificustoms 12-31-2009 01:56 PM

You nailed the looks on that thing! The part that looks great is it doesn't look highly cut up, everything flows so good!

GregWeld 12-31-2009 01:59 PM

Where's all the bondo??
:rofl:

Looks GREAT RODGER!

Garage Dog 65 12-31-2009 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 257687)

Very sexy curves ! Nice work !!

Jim

ironworks 12-31-2009 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 257695)
Where's all the bondo??
:rofl:

Looks GREAT RODGER!

Hopefully in the can. We try to be metalmen, not sculptors....

radrambler 12-31-2009 02:12 PM

Wow
 
Rodger

You the guys AND THE CUSTOMER really took a GIANT leap on this one...WOW
GREAT VISION....NICE REDESIGN AND FLOW...:thumbsup:
MORE PICS . ...PLEEEEEEAAAASSSSE

Tom

ironworks 12-31-2009 02:17 PM

Thanks, It is amazing what can happen with a few simple tools and some flat sheetmetal. Dave has allowed us to push the envelope pretty far on this car. So far I think he likes the results....."MR Ben Hermance" has been pretty instrumental in getting all the ideas on to paper, But we are not ready to show those just yet.

tones2SS 12-31-2009 03:53 PM

That looks great Rodger! (As usual.) Keep us posted please.:thumbsup:

Al Moreno 12-31-2009 05:11 PM

Somebody finally nailed the right look for the rear bumper. Great work Roger.

Can you post some of the the design thoughts (and pictures) on the rockers and the front fender (behind the wheel). Looks killer by what I can see.

Thanks for sharing with us junkies , LOL.

nvr2fst 12-31-2009 05:11 PM

I know Rodger mentioned it briefly but I do want to give a hands out to Ben Hermance myself. So far he has put our ideas to the limits and there's way more to come. I still am hesitant in regards to posting photos but as Rodger keeps reminding me, most will not go to this extreme and the knowledgeable ones know the hours it takes to get there
The modified bumper we took from a mustang and tucked in the corner to match the body line of the custom reworked quarters. Originally Rodger posted the photos of the rear section of the car cut off. Well with that said the rear section in reality was shortened by 2" but extended through the spoiler area to actually obtain the same length, (also it moved the trunk lid forward toward the glass which eventually you'll see why) With the front fenders being shortened by 2" it becomes an almost natural look. The problem that Rodger has with the camaro once you lower the hell out of it, the body style becomes too long. I think he nailed it.
The all started when Rodger awhile ago posted up the "most radical 69" thread. We reviewed everything there was out there and tried to go beyond that "box". Hopefully you guys enjoy so far and Im all ears to your thoughts.
Plus it need a name!
Dave

Rick D 12-31-2009 05:22 PM

WOW what an awsome build. Rodger and Dave you guys are really pushing the box wide open with this one. Just one question have you guys thought RIDDLER????? :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

WSSix 12-31-2009 05:30 PM

x2 Riddler maybe? SMOY for sure though right?

Car looks great. I'm not familiar enough with the body lines on a first gen to have known it was shortened with Dave mentioning it. I was scratching my head thinking something was different but what. I'm loving this build and War. Just wow!

nvr2fst 12-31-2009 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badrs69 (Post 257742)
WOW what an awsome build. Rodger and Dave you guys are really pushing the box wide open with this one. Just one question have you guys thought RIDDLER????? :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

We've exposed the car to the public, so the answer is no to Ridler. Ive agreed for Rodger to post some photos here and there. It helps potential future customers of his show what Ironworks is capable of, but in short where his mind is always at. Every car there has something that has not been done yet.
I thought it would be better to show the build from day one instead of posted finished photos right before its release.
If I can swing it funds wise, Rodger plans on showing the car in all its metal glory at DelMar

WSSix 12-31-2009 05:36 PM

One more thing I just noticed, the front heat extractors. Will those be staying?

HWY Nova 12-31-2009 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nvr2fst (Post 257745)
We've exposed the car to the public, so the answer is no to Ridler. Ive agreed for Rodger to post some photos here and there. It helps potential future customers of his show what Ironworks is capable of, but in short where is mind is always at. Every car there has something that has not been done yet.
I thought it would be better to show the build from day one instead of posted finished photos right before its release.
If I can swing it funds wise, Rodger plans on showing the car in all its metal glory at DelMar

Hey Dave,

If I'm not mistaken, this can still be a Ridler Car....... You are allowed to publish UN-FINISHED, UN-PAINTED PHOTOS of the car prior to the show!!!!.... You just can't publish photos after its painted (before the show).

This has got to be one of the nicest Camaros on the planet..... Keep it up!!!


--Eric

Matt@BOS 12-31-2009 06:18 PM

Cool heat extractors. I kid you not, I was standing around my Camaro at Best of Show and thinking the 69's side vents could use something on the fenders, then thought it'd be cool if someone opened them up, but figured nobody would try because of all the work required to make it look good. I figured you'd have to taper the opening from the middle body line in the door on back. Then I come home and you guys have done exactly what I was thinking. Looks awesome. Can't wait to see more.

Matt

Kendall Burleson 12-31-2009 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HWY Nova (Post 257754)
Hey Dave,

If I'm not mistaken, this can still be a Ridler Car....... You are allowed to publish UN-FINISHED, UN-PAINTED PHOTOS of the car prior to the show!!!!.... You just can't publish photos after its painted (before the show).

This has got to be one of the nicest Camaros on the planet..... Keep it up!!!


--Eric

I don't think you can show any of the parts of the car before the show start.Troy of Rad Rides show the frame of the 56 chrysler at a good guys event and they did not allow him in the great 8. What is crazy Chip show that 36 ford on the Rides show the year before and it won the Ridler award the next year.

HWY Nova 12-31-2009 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendall Burleson (Post 257786)
I don't think you can show any of the parts of the car before the show start.Troy of Rad Rides show the frame of the 56 chrysler at a good guys event and they did not allow him in the great 8. What is crazy Chip show that 36 ford on the Rides show the year before and it won the Ridler award the next year.

From the Detroit Autorama website:

Ridler Guidelines & Rules

Don Ridler was the first professional promoter hired by the Michigan Hot Rod Association to assist them with their fledgling Autorama in the fifties. With Don’s creativity and professional approach in promoting, Autorama was able to grow tremendously, and eventually move to its present home at Cobo Center in 1961. In 1963, Autorama decided to honor Don Ridler, who had prematurely passed away, with an award given in his name.

Originally the award was given to the Best Vehicle first-time shown. Over the last forty years the award has evolved to better conform to new ideas, changing designs and concepts. Today it emphasizes creativity, engineering and workmanship. Anyone building a vehicle for Ridler competition should post these words on their garage wall. The vehicle that best represents these three areas will win the Ridler Award.

In addition to the above judging guidelines, there are a few hard and fast rules, with no exceptions.

The vehicle must make its first public showing at the Detroit Autorama. Showing the vehicle at any indoor or outdoor show or any part of the entry, i.e. frame, engine or body, will make it ineligible for contention.
Realizing that car owners and builders may need some form or exposure to develop interest or to gain sponsorship and give credit to suppliers and/or sponsors, magazine and video build-up coverage is allowed. No articles, video footage or stories with photos of the vehicle in finished form will be allowed until after the award has been presented, i.e. car cannot be painted or upholstered to be used in any media format.


--Eric

ironworks 12-31-2009 08:13 PM

You can show the car in bare metal but not in paint and still contend for the ridler. Troy was disqualified due to the fact he had shown the car going togther in paint on his website. But when they started reassembly the radrides 56 was not intended for the ridler. That car is hands down super awesome. But the ridler is all about paint and chroming senseless parts. The first love 36 was bulit and designed from day one to win the Ridler. This car is not designed or intended to be a "show car". Sure it will be nice, but I have no intention in smearing bondo over nice TIG welds or coating the stainless headers. Headers should be raw stainless ( Or Titanium ) and have every hand laid TIG weld shining in bright BLUE and GOLD. Not chromed exhaust.

HWY Nova 12-31-2009 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 257790)
You can show the car in bare metal but not in paint and still contend for the ridler. Troy was disqualified due to the fact he had shown the car going togther in paint on his website. But when they started reassembly the radrides 56 was not intended for the ridler. That car is hands down super awesome. But the ridler is all about paint and chroming senseless parts. The first love 36 was bulit and designed from day one to win the Ridler. This car is not designed or intended to be a "show car". Sure it will be nice, but I have no intention in smearing bondo over nice TIG welds or coating the stainless headers. Headers should be raw stainless ( Or Titanium ) and have every hand laid TIG weld shining in bright BLUE and GOLD. Not chromed exhaust.

But, but, but........ but what if Dave likes chrome?


--Eric

novanutcase 12-31-2009 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 257790)
Headers should be raw stainless ( Or Titanium ) and have every hand laid TIG weld shining in bright BLUE and GOLD. Not chromed exhaust.

AMEN!!!!! :yes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by HWY Nova (Post 257793)
But, but, but........ but what if Dave likes chrome?


--Eric

:lol:

John

novanutcase 01-01-2010 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nvr2fst (Post 257737)
.....(also it moved the trunk lid forward toward the glass which eventually you'll see why).....

You're not thinking of doing a hatchback are you?http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...stirthepot.gif

John

Hdesign 01-01-2010 06:08 AM

I was thrilled to get the call from Rodger a while back to be involved with a project of this caliber. Dave and Rodger have really made this a dream project for me and I greatly appreciate them for letting me take a whack at it.

Yes, it's ANOTHER 69 Camaro, but it's become far more than that. I believe this project will prove to 1st gen owners and builders alike that everything HASN'T been done to these.

What was really cool for me was that much of the sheet metal work Rodger had already completed were things I had wanted to do if I had one of my own.

Stay tuned....this is gonna be a fun ride!

Cris@JCG 01-01-2010 10:06 AM

This 69 is an absolute work of art! It is an innovation & surpasing the boundries of the ultimate 69 Camaro :thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by nvr2fst (Post 257737)
I know Rodger mentioned it briefly but I do want to give a hands out to Ben Hermance myself. So far he has put our ideas to the limits and there's way more to come. I still am hesitant in regards to posting photos but as Rodger keeps reminding me, most will not go to this extreme and the knowledgeable ones know the hours it takes to get there
The modified bumper we took from a mustang and tucked in the corner to match the body line of the custom reworked quarters. Originally Rodger posted the photos of the rear section of the car cut off. Well with that said the rear section in reality was shortened by 2" but extended through the spoiler area to actually obtain the same length, (also it moved the trunk lid forward toward the glass which eventually you'll see why) With the front fenders being shortened by 2" it becomes an almost natural look. The problem that Rodger has with the camaro once you lower the hell out of it, the body style becomes too long. I think he nailed it.
The all started when Rodger awhile ago posted up the "most radical 69" thread. We reviewed everything there was out there and tried to go beyond that "box". Hopefully you guys enjoy so far and Im all ears to your thoughts.
Plus it need a name!
Dave


Canonicity 01-01-2010 10:24 AM

Well with that said the rear section in reality was shortened by 2" but extended through the spoiler area to actually obtain the same length, (also it moved the trunk lid forward toward the glass which eventually you'll see why) With the front fenders being shortened by 2" it becomes an almost natural look. The problem that Rodger has with the camaro once you lower the hell out of it, the body style becomes too long. I think he nailed it.

Dave, had you not mentioned the car being shorten, I would not have pick it up from the pics. Very subtle and very nice.

Are you guys going to drop the roof line?

Thanks again for the previews.

extralight 01-01-2010 11:26 AM

Speechless....there is no way words can describe what you're doing here. Just absolutely love it.

camaro2nv 01-01-2010 12:59 PM

Im loving it! With that said looks like its moving away from looking like a Camaro though.

phillym5 01-01-2010 03:22 PM

Looks real good. I really like the scoop in the front fender. Thats going to look sick. :thumbsup:

BuiltByBrooks 01-01-2010 03:57 PM

Wow looks awesome:cheers:

War 01-01-2010 06:28 PM

It's alright I guess if thats what your into.:thumbsup:

RECOVERY ROOM 01-01-2010 06:32 PM

The best mods are the ones you can't tell when the car is painted,And this one is done with style.You guys nailed it without having to do things that stuck out:thumbsup: ......also what he said above..lol

ironworks 01-01-2010 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by War (Post 257960)
It's alright I guess if thats what your into.:thumbsup:

Exactly.......All I can say is, it ain't no pickup truck.....

Steve1968LS2 01-01-2010 07:38 PM

I like this build because it makes mine feel so simple and inexpensive.. lol

Going to be a killer ride when done. :)

nvr2fst 01-02-2010 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camaro2nv (Post 257895)
Im loving it! With that said looks like its moving away from looking like a Camaro though.

I appreciate your feedback and I expect there will be others that see it the same.
Every car on this forum has been modified to some extent. In the last couple of years we've seen multiple changes and design to hoods, spoilers, lower valances, lower tail panels and bumpers, not to mention engine and interior.
In the upcoming years IMO you are going to see more individuals modifying quarters and fenders, deck lids and rocker panels whether it be metal, CF or aluminum almost to the norm. Some of these mods are already into play here on this forum. You can draw concepts all day but until somebody puts it to the car itself you'll never know the outcome.
Besides I already have a stock version and by the time this car gets done the mods will be old news. LOL

nvr2fst 01-02-2010 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2 (Post 257982)
I like this build because it makes mine feel so simple and inexpensive.. lol

Going to be a killer ride when done. :)

Simple and inexpensive! Your making me laugh. There's more engineering and cost in Penny than most not including the "reincarnation thread". Plus you have "seat time" which is priceless.


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