Keep your snow and 3 week Summer. We have Alaska. :lol:

Can we give them Sarah Palin?

Please?


:rofl:

One thing a Judge excels at is killing Nutria at the golf course on the run out of a golf cart. :D

She already sounds just like em, what the hell...:lol:

For me, taking any weapon with me golfing would be a very bad mistake. I gave up golf to reduce stress :)

Completely understand that, I never said anything about hitting a golf ball. :D

It's an old guy shooting stuff who doesn't claim to be an expert but has done one helluva lot of trigger pulling. He's got pictures and I don't, that's about all it's worth - it's pretty irrelevant otherwise . Either way, it doesn't change the effects of either cartridge. And I do have experience with all of the above, and agree fully with the old timer and his box 'o truth. I don't require him to be good with a computer, camera, or journalism, just see what happens when bullets hit things. It also doesn't change the fact that this stuff is over priced compared to other offerings that make a whole lot more sense.

Re-read the Judge article, don't see any problems other than maybe some grammar. If you mean the rest of the site, see my original comment about his computer skills.

I've shot quite a bit - still shoot competitively, and don't agree with his conclusions at all. I think they're borderline dangerous. JMHO. I completely disagree with what is necessary in terms of penetration. Perhaps we simply have a difference of opinion as to what constitutes "home protection". I'm not interested in defending against armored SWAT teams or military counter-terrorist teams. I don't want "extra" penetration. I want to hit what's right in front of me, probably at a range of less than 20 feet (probably much less). Too many people think you need to penetrate WAY too much gelatin than I do for home defense. I'd love to see the data supporting needing 5" of penetration. Frankly, or the physics discussion of why you'd even want it.

I have issues with people wanting weapons for "home protection" that may often be more dangerous than not having one to begin with. Drywall doesn't stop much. BTW, .45 LC, loaded to within the SAAMI spec of 14000psi, can be an excellent self defense round.

Can we start this thread over and rename it: Best oil for engine protection?

:D

Or the best condom for....
Or the best tires for...
:D

The best gun for home protection is the one you have in your hand when you need it.

I like Eric's way of thinking.

I've never been a "gun guy" - but with the addition of the big azz trailer...and plans to spend travel nights in off road locations...and or traveling back roads where you could be alone and broken down etc. I invested in a Kimber 5" .45 ACP Super Carry Custom. Then I've been going to the range weekly to break it in and of course - raise my skill level using it. I now have Washington and Utah CC permits.





http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...me/file-30.jpg

It is ALWAYS the one which you have with you, and the best caliber is the largest which you can control to put rounds on target repeatedly.

Not a bad way to go GW.
Here's one of mine...
2006 Dan Wesson Commander Bobtail Classic .45 ACP with Larry Davidsons Tactical Carry grips in gray/black micarta http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...7715368662.jpg

Nice!


I'm becoming "smitten" with getting a Wilson Combat... but that's just "because"... right now my concern is to get real comfortable handling the Kimber. I bought 1000 rounds so that I can run 500+ through it... I've already done the field strip and clean twice and can do that without thinking now. I haven't done the "rookie scratch" YET!

My son has a Glock .40 -- and both he and I love the Kimber over it! All my police friends carry the Glock... but the double wide grip doesn't fit my smaller hand. And I like the beavertail safety (I think that's what it's called) that protects my hand from the slide as well as adds a safety factor. :cheers:

I have a Stainless Steel WC Protector in .38 Super also. Fit and Finish is off the hook compared to this DW "but" the newer current production Dan Wessons are Very, very nice. This same pistol now costs nearly double what I paid brand new in 2006 to reflect that. They also come with the very top shelf internal parts, firing group (sear, trigger, disconnector and hammer) and so on.
It is worth a look. They are however not a Wilson.

Here is a couple pics of the one that went away the day I came home with my Wilson
133rd Dan Wesson "Razorback" 10mm ever made. (wearing different grips in photos)

Original grips and all the accouterments of the limited edition + 3 engraved mags
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...0/DSCN2947.jpg

Larry Davidson Olive Drab "Wyrm" grips
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...RZwWYRM006.jpg

I currently have 2 firearms outside my safe at night. My Walther PPS .40 is probably the best carry gun I've own. I also just picked up a Remington 870 pump action 12ga. That is between the dresser and wall. I love my Walther but will take my scatter gun for the house 9/10 times.

Edit....I also have a colt 1911 but choose the Walter since i have more time handling it and more rounds through it for a home defense scenario.

Early run Kimber with match hammer, sear, trigger, springs, bushing, and link. I did the pistolsmithing. Primary usage was league shooting, secondary defense carry. Trigger is at 3.25 lbs but with next to zero creep and very crisp disengagement it feels more like 2.75 lbs. With light hand loads for league it was good enough for top three finishes three years in a row. It's had approximately 6000 rounds through it. Total investment $525.

http://sieg.smugmug.com/photos/i-PNR...-PNRHJTf-L.jpg

Heavy concealed carry gun is a Para Ordnance P12, daily carry gun is a Kahr PM40. You can run but you can't hide gun is a Ruger Redhawk 7.75" .44 with Leupold 2x scope. :unibrow:

Tactical shotgun for the bedside, H&K P2SK for my carry.

Enjoy this liberty while it lasts.


Jeff-

For me, my Guns sit for a long time...I have had semi-auto guns jam due to not being cleaned often enough..

So personally I use a .44 revolver and a .357 revolver as first line of defense..

If you use and clean your weapons often, then semi-auto's are great..But I don't see a long fire fight indoors and I won't need a large clip..One or two large caliber bullets to the torso, and that should do it..

We use the Sig P226 @ NSW. It's a great piece, super accurate, lots of options for lights, lasers, etc. I have personal experience shooting one straight out of nasty dirty Coronado bay water, and it did fine. For home protection, I would recommend it, or the P220 Combat. Just my 2cents.

Glad to see there's some fellow 1911 guys here!


Sieg --- Nice shot of the gun! (is that a pun?)


Mike --- Used to be ALL of the police used revolvers... and it seems the Glock 22 or 23 fire regardless of how dirty or abused they are. Given that my son's hadn't EVER been cleaned --- and it never misfired or jammed up... I guess it's pretty true. However, you should have seen the smile on his face after "we" (meaning DAD) invested in cleaning stuff... and then we hit the range... MUCH MO BETTA.

Took my buddy to the range -- and he had the sweetest little .22 revolver.. it just fit the hand so nicely! It was a NINE shot revolver. I'd never seen one before - but of course it's a .22 so there's plenty of room.

One of my police buddies just told me that I'm a classic "idiot" --- because I don't want the gun in the house. When the Kimber is here it's in the safe... He told me that he just loves people that have the gun in the bedroom and the bullets in the basement.

I love shooting my Colt government model 1991. Some day I want to pick up an Ed Brown Kobra Carry.

But the one I keep loaded in the house is the Remington 870 Tactical. Nothing beats a 12 GA for home protection.:D

No matter the nationality.............everybody speaks shotgun. Fluently if you're chambering a round into a pump gun. Get's your attention like a healthy big block. The slide in my Benelli Nova makes good chambering noise. :D

I smell what you're steppin in :unibrow:

:cheers:

It does have a very distinctive ring to it doesn't it....

What about bear mace and a baseball bat?

What would you do when someone breaks in and steals you loaded, unlocked pistol and shoots some 13yo kid in a dive-by.

Or your teenage daughter sneaks into the house after staying out too late with the boyfriend and you mistake her for an intruder...

I just don't like the idea of having loaded weapons in the house. Yes I took my pistol course and yes I have firearms, but they are locked up in a 15 gun safe that is bolted to the wall. Defense weapons are just not worth it IMO

If I bear maced and beat my teenage daughter with a bat thinking she was an intruder, she would be dead. I think racking my 870 and calling out that Hell is coming down the hall is strangely safer lol

Reply inserted in quote... Lateral-g told me my reply was to short so I had to add something down here;)

We've all heard this same argument but it just doesn't hold water....

Someone could steal a kitchen knife and kill someone with it... or a piece of rope. So that is just not really a valid point IMHO.

I agree with you - on a personal level - that I don't like loaded weapons in my house. But not based on your points. I have a safe in the shed that holds all this stuff. It has a 1/2" steel door... is BURGLAR and Fire safe.

But I bought the Kimber for the reasons I stated earlier -- in my rig when I'm on the road by myself - spending the night on the side of the highway or in some rest area... and THEN I will feel quite good about having it loaded - cocked and locked right by my bed. :cheers:

One thing I will offer for anyone who has not thought of it is that you can choose to buy a gun vault of some sort that can be bolted to the wall or nightstand. I have heard of people unlocking it when they lay down at night and locking it up when they pick up their personal items for the day, unless of course they are holstering that same weapon for everyday carry purposes.

I just finished listening to a former FBI profiler that said the REASON these mass shootings are taking place at schools and malls - is because the perp has a reasonable understanding that NO ONE IS THERE TO SHOOT BACK. In other words --- they're easy targets.

We all also understand that there's not a single thing anyone can do to stop this kind of stuff. We're not going to have armed teachers...

BTW - The profiler also reported that today someone in China stabbed 33 children... So it's not just GUNS... it's nut jobs and they will find a way if they're determined to hurt or kill others.

Agreed....I grew up in Newtown I have a family member that goes to that elementary school. I would have bet this could never happen there. You can't foresee every lunatics actions. An armed resource officer could have made this a very different outcome.

I can't believe there was another shooting this morning at an elementry school. 18 innocent children all under the age of 10. I can't even imagine getting the phone call and hysteria waiting to see if your kid is safe.

I would not have a single problem with armed teachers and administration providing that they are proficient.

We guard banks and other institution. Seems like warped priorities from my perspective. What is more precious?:(

Criminals will never care what the laws are that govern the law abiding and will find a way to prey upon the innocent. I say enable those charged with shaping the minds of the innocent with the tools to protect them from evil. I am sure it will come out that some gave their lives to protect... if only they had proper training and the tools to do so there may have been less loss of life.

Nick, I am really sorry for the loss in your home town.
God be with your family and all of those affected by this, and there are far too many.

Well --- We think this stuff only happens in the USA... But if you remember the shooter in Norway... That went to the island and shot up a kids camp.

If they can't shoot up a school - they'll go to the mall - or movie theatre - or where someone is giving a speech.

Thanks Robert. My cousin was home sick today and my wifes co'workers child goes to the afternoon kindergarten there. Completely sad.

Gun free zones are not the solution.......they are the opportunity.

Condolences to all effected by these acts.

The best advice is to work with a really knowledgable person at a gun shop who will guide you to the best pistol for your needs based on your experience, hand shape, hand strength, natural wrist angle, home design, defense capacity, and your particular personality.

My defense pistol of choice is a Sig Sauer P226, chambered in .40 cal.
I used the 9mm version in the military and it has become a natural extension of my arm at this point. I've shot about 125k rounds through them and never had a failure once, even under harsh conditions with a dirty weapon. They saved my life 6 times that I know of.

The ergonomics of the pistol are perfect in my hand - The grip angle is perfect for my natural-point-of-aim, the grip makes 2nd shot control easy, the balance is excellent, the recoil is pretty tame, and even blinded I can make secondary shots within a 6" grouping.

I always recommend the Sig night-sights and the rail system, standard on the P226 "Navy" version.

A really great thing about the P226 is that you can get a kit that replaces the barrel, mag, and upper receiver with a .22cal version for about $300. It makes a great practice set-up and .22 ammo is dirt cheap.

Now, should you go get a pistol I would REALLY urge taking a training class that is instructed by a combat veteran who will gauge your reaction to stressful situations. This is a key part of weaponed self-defense and the instructor needs to teach you methods to bypass the natural panic response and train your mind to focus under duress. I can't stress that enough.

Good luck!

I agree on training!

Because I have some police buddies (high ranking guys) -- I was allowed to go in the simulator. They have electronic guns -- and THEY can actually shoot you back with plastic balls that HURT!

The average weapons "fight" happens within 21 FEET.... and I can tell you that you have less than half a second at that range to react - draw - and defend or it's too late. OMG was the simulator fun! But OMG was it a reality check in what the boys in blue have to deal with.

I will share another thing that I learned -- and in a HOME style shooting would be very important! You trigger finger is still firing long after you've perceived the threat to have been hit and down or going down. I always wondered why there are so many shots fired at these "events" --- now I know why! Your brain says fire and you might as well be a machine gun! And by the time the brain says stop firing - you've squeezed off 3 more rounds. In a home -- rounds flying around wouldn't be a good thing! Sheetrock isn't stopping a 9MM or a .45....

This ammo from Dynamic Research Technologies that Steve Rupp suggested looks good.... I just sent a question to my cop buddy to ask about it.

http://drtammo.com/products/


I like their "explanation":


DRT lead-free projectile is a revolutionary round. The bullet breaks apart on contact with a solid surface. The handgun ammunition is made to be an all-purpose round, disintegrating into a cloud of dust on steel but yet is effective on an organic target. It is a target and a carry round.
Our round can be fired by law enforcement officers without any fear of ricochet or pass through, or fear of injury or death to innocent bystanders from ricochet or pass through.