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James OLC 01-31-2012 02:37 PM
A couple of comments that I can make with a fair bit of certainty... since I've had hands on experience...
  • The Pfadt Racing Hubs are exactly the same as the the SKF hubs - there is no difference. They are simply doing a better marketing job.
  • The SKF Racing hubs are materially different from the stock Corvette (i.e. non-ZR1) hubs. There are additional bearings (on the (in the?) outside shoulder) and the shoulder itself is larger diameter to accommodate the additional bearings and improve the pressure base.
  • While the materials used in the SKF and stock bearings may be the same (I can't prove it one way or another) I believe that the process is different - the SKF hubs are visibly different.

While I understand the desire to be thorough in looking at a "new" product - I really can't understand why the SKF bearing would be the part in question. I think that it is safe to say that it is the least unknown or unproven commodity here.

I have to hand it to Tom and Blake and co. for designing a system which takes advantage of a reliable, street and track proven component and adapting to to "our" applications.

GregWeld 01-31-2012 02:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by frojoe (Post 392842)
I measured the axle flange end play at ~ 0.011" on my 8.5" 10 bolt with Moser 31spline axles and Detroit TruTrac.. then I removed the posi's "center spacer" that prevents the axles from traveling inwards and allowing the c-clips from popping out. Measured this spacer's width and made a new, wider one, that brought the axle flange end play down to ~0.001". Figured it would be good to allow some running clearance for heat expansion and to avoid bearing preload. I have yet to drive it but I have 7/8" manual master and 4piston fixed Dynalites in the back, hoping to test out within the next couple weeks. Not sure if this is helpful for you Torino-bearing'd guys but simply an idea.

I'm not a metallurgist - but allowing for only .001" growth in axle length (figuring 20+ inches?) certainly doesn't allow for much heat expansion. :wow:

Sieg 01-31-2012 04:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 392849)
I'm not a metallurgist - but allowing for only .001" growth in axle length (figuring 20+ inches?) certainly doesn't allow for much heat expansion. :wow:
+1 Extreme ambient temp variations could possibly cover .001"?

MillerBuilt 01-31-2012 07:09 PM
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DFRESH 01-31-2012 07:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by James OLC (Post 392848)
A couple of comments that I can make with a fair bit of certainty... since I've had hands on experience...
  • The Pfadt Racing Hubs are exactly the same as the the SKF hubs - there is no difference. They are simply doing a better marketing job.
  • The SKF Racing hubs are materially different from the stock Corvette (i.e. non-ZR1) hubs. There are additional bearings (on the (in the?) outside shoulder) and the shoulder itself is larger diameter to accommodate the additional bearings and improve the pressure base.
  • While the materials used in the SKF and stock bearings may be the same (I can't prove it one way or another) I believe that the process is different - the SKF hubs are visibly different.

While I understand the desire to be thorough in looking at a "new" product - I really can't understand why the SKF bearing would be the part in question. I think that it is safe to say that it is the least unknown or unproven commodity here.

I have to hand it to Tom and Blake and co. for designing a system which takes advantage of a reliable, street and track proven component and adapting to to "our" applications.

James, you will most likely have yours in and running before I do. Lots of folks have already asked me for feedback as soon as that is possible---so let's agree that we will come back here and post that feedback in this thread (if it's not locked by then) for future consumers to assist in real seat of the pants and actual performance/impressions. Durability will prove itself over time, and since we both attend many events and drive the cars quite a bit, we should also be able to provide that piece as well in the future.

See you at RTTC---Taco cart and Apple Pie have been secured.

D

Vegas69 01-31-2012 07:36 PM
:yes: Screw the floater, tacos and apple pie will fix anything.

DFRESH 01-31-2012 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 392914)
:yes: Screw the floater, tacos and apple pie will fix anything.
Amen---and with respect to the Apple Pie, there is a noticable improvement immediately following install.

James OLC 01-31-2012 07:59 PM
What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week. Which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. And I don't like it any more than you men.

:rolleyes:

Quote:
Originally Posted by DFRESH (Post 392912)
James, you will most likely have yours in and running before I do. Lots of folks have already asked me for feedback as soon as that is possible---so let's agree that we will come back here and post that feedback in this thread (if it's not locked by then) for future consumers to assist in real seat of the pants and actual performance/impressions. Durability will prove itself over time, and since we both attend many events and drive the cars quite a bit, we should also be able to provide that piece as well in the future.

See you at RTTC---Taco cart and Apple Pie have been secured.

D
Looking forward to it my friend. I don't know where this thread will be in a month (I would assume nowhere good based on where it is now) but I know that I'll have the floater in the OLC (Baer's not Chicane's) and will be able to provide some feedback on that. With luck Blake will have the Chicane housing for OLC2 when he comes down (I'm being presumptuous with that) so
we can look at one while beating on the other.

GregWeld 01-31-2012 08:21 PM
I feel a ban coming on....

skatinjay27 01-31-2012 08:36 PM
i love chips, Doritos, Frito's, lays...

but my favorite are the shoulder kind.;)

frojoe 01-31-2012 09:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 392849)
I'm not a metallurgist - but allowing for only .001" growth in axle length (figuring 20+ inches?) certainly doesn't allow for much heat expansion. :wow:
I do have the c-clip setup still in, so the length in question is actually the ~0.5" between the c-clip seat and the end of the axle (what the center spacer pins up against).. axle tube bearings just support the axles radially.. i was more thinking of trying to remove as much axial play as possible without adding axial preload to the c-clips...

GregWeld 02-01-2012 07:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by frojoe (Post 392934)
I do have the c-clip setup still in, so the length in question is actually the ~0.5" between the c-clip seat and the end of the axle (what the center spacer pins up against).. axle tube bearings just support the axles radially.. i was more thinking of trying to remove as much axial play as possible without adding axial preload to the c-clips...

I've stayed out of this floater conversation because I just am not knowledgable on suspension or rear ends... So as long as you've thought thru the clearances -- which appears you have ('cause I certainly don't know anything about them)... then good! :thumbsup:

Blake Foster 02-01-2012 07:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DFRESH (Post 392917)
Amen---and with respect to the Apple Pie, there is a noticable improvement immediately following install.
REALLY......................... You can confirm that from first hand experiance can you??? or is that just what everyone has told you lmao :rofl:

Matt@BOS 02-01-2012 09:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by killer69 (Post 392965)
REALLY......................... You can confirm that from first hand experiance can you??? or is that just what everyone has told you lmao :rofl:
Make sure to have Doug pay you for the parts after the apple. That little trick worked for me last year :lol:

Matt

Blake Foster 02-01-2012 10:17 AM
DAMN Never even though of that............. prehaps I can hit him up for the delivery costs..... 1700 miles At 12 mpg and 3.80 per gallon ????/ :lol:

DFRESH 02-01-2012 08:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by killer69 (Post 392965)
REALLY......................... You can confirm that from first hand experiance can you??? or is that just what everyone has told you lmao :rofl:
You were here last year--pretty sure you saw my hands on experience---lol. Thank you again for the delivery of the parts---please feel free to have an extra taco on Cris. Let's install the parts that Saturday night for fun. What could be more fun than that.

D

chr2002ca 02-02-2012 09:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DFRESH (Post 393112)
What could be more fun than that.
D
Cheerleaders on trampolines?

I think you made a great choice Doug. :thumbsup:

Blake Foster 02-02-2012 10:07 AM
[QUOTE=chr2002ca;393201]Cheerleaders on trampolines?

YEA Doug .......... CHEERLEADERS ON TRAMPOLINES!!!! would be WAY more fun.

since your not paying for the TACO party maybe we should rent a trampoline??? :rofl:

GregWeld 02-02-2012 10:30 AM
[QUOTE=killer69;393213]
Quote:
Originally Posted by chr2002ca (Post 393201)
Cheerleaders on trampolines?

YEA Doug .......... CHEERLEADERS ON TRAMPOLINES!!!! would be WAY more fun.

since your not paying for the TACO party maybe we should rent a trampoline??? :rofl:
I'd chip in for a "vacation" for Cassie and the kids.... :D

DFRESH 02-02-2012 07:39 PM
[QUOTE=killer69;393213]
Quote:
Originally Posted by chr2002ca (Post 393201)
Cheerleaders on trampolines?

YEA Doug .......... CHEERLEADERS ON TRAMPOLINES!!!! would be WAY more fun.

since your not paying for the TACO party maybe we should rent a trampoline??? :rofl:
Have something better than that, a pool. Shall I heat it this year?

Man, this thread has gotten way off the beaten path---

Blake Foster 02-02-2012 07:54 PM
[QUOTE=GregWeld;393217]
Quote:
Originally Posted by killer69 (Post 393213)

I'd chip in for a "vacation" for Cassie and the kids.... :D
I'm in too.

HEAT THE POOL!!!

Ya, that floater conversation was going sideways anyway lol

DFRESH 02-02-2012 08:05 PM
[QUOTE=killer69;393328]
Quote:
Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 393217)

I'm in too.

HEAT THE POOL!!!

Ya, that floater conversation was going sideways anyway lol
Didn't you mean to say, the floater conversation got knocked back?

Pool heater is set to run. I don't have any Cheerleaders though, except for Todd and Dave--and i've seen both of them in skirts--last time in Vegas--we don't talk much about that though. We need Skip to post up one of the SNL Cheerleader vids for this one.

D

frojoe 02-02-2012 08:38 PM
wow this thread got derailed hard & quick haha

GregWeld 02-02-2012 10:04 PM
I've still got the number of Big Wanda... I'm sure she has "friends" that could bounce our "tramp"oline.... after a bit of apple pie coaching.:woot:

ccracin 02-03-2012 05:11 AM
:rofl: :willy: :hail: :lol: :wow: :faint: :unibrow: :D

Blake Foster 02-03-2012 07:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 393345)
I've still got the number of Big Wanda... I'm sure she has "friends" that could bounce our "tramp"oline.... after a bit of apple pie coaching.:woot:
LOL thats funnnnnny

chr2002ca 02-03-2012 09:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 393345)
I've still got the number of Big Wanda... I'm sure she has "friends" that could bounce our "tramp"oline.... after a bit of apple pie coaching.:woot:
Wrote the number down did you? Hey, get in line buddy. :lol:

Doug, it's a bit cold this time of year for a pool, even if it's heated. It might get a bit too nippley, I mean nippy. Sorry, can't type.

If I show up with a big honkin trampoline strapped to my car, there better be some f'ing cheerleaders. Wait, I got that backwards. If I show with some cheerleaders strapped to my car ...

Blake Foster 02-13-2012 05:25 PM
Just a bit of an update and get this back on track.
Currently we are building 4 units, 1 is comming for install in My Nova for RTTC as soon as it shovs up I will post up some more pictures and install info.
We have pricing worked out if you are iinterested give me a call.

chicane 02-13-2012 08:17 PM
Wow. My metallurgist can beat up your metallurgist.

This has certainly been entertaining, considering all of the speculative commentary associated to the "logic and common sense" (read: lack of any inclusive material science) approach of certain personalities. Good times.

I'd like to order two taco's and a Chinchilla with my pie.


Quote:
Originally Posted by killer69 (Post 390842)
From the info "I" can find . this car uses the ZR1 rear hubs and mono block calipers (fixed i will assume)

http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/...midohio008.jpg

sorry pic is small , 2011 C6R

Actually Blake, it utilizes fabricated spindles and radially mounted (fixed) two piece AP's.

Front:
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...7/DCP_0420.jpg

Rear:
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...7/DCP_0426.jpg


Hope you got what you were looking for Dougie.

DFRESH 02-13-2012 08:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chicane (Post 395381)
Wow. My metallurgist can beat up your metallurgist.

This has certainly been entertaining, considering all of the speculative commentary associated to the "logic and common sense" (read: lack of any inclusive material science) approach of certain personalities. Good times.

I'd like to order two taco's and a Chinchilla with my pie.





Actually Blake, it utilizes fabricated spindles and radially mounted (fixed) two piece AP's.

Front:
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...7/DCP_0420.jpg

Rear:
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...7/DCP_0426.jpg


Hope you got what you were looking for Dougie.
I feel like we are somehow related now.

So the pics are from the Vette above then, right?

D

chicane 02-13-2012 08:58 PM
That was just before they went back to 'iron' from the rule changes in the GT class... but effectively, yes, pretty much the same thing minus the carbon/carbon.

This pic shows a glimpse of the iron "J-hook" rotors now being used:

Laguna Seca GT2
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2..._4497749_n.jpg

Blake Foster 02-13-2012 09:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chicane (Post 395381)
Wow. My metallurgist can beat up your metallurgist.

This has certainly been entertaining, considering all of the speculative commentary associated to the "logic and common sense" (read: lack of any inclusive material science) approach of certain personalities. Good times.

I'd like to order two taco's and a Chinchilla with my pie.





Actually Blake, it utilizes fabricated spindles and radially mounted (fixed) two piece AP's.

Front:
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...7/DCP_0420.jpg

Rear:
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...7/DCP_0426.jpg


Hope you got what you were looking for Dougie.

I stand corrected.
Maybe something like this should be next on the list???

chicane 02-13-2012 09:04 PM
It's about four grand a corner, just for the brakes alone... ya sure about that Blake ? :lol:

That's a-lot of tacos...

Sieg 02-13-2012 09:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chicane (Post 395386)
It's about four grand a corner, just for the brakes alone... ya sure about that Blake ? :lol:

That's a-lot of tacos...
Are you possibly under-estimating the value of bragging rights at a cruise-in? :D

Blake Foster 02-14-2012 08:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 395389)
Are you possibly under-estimating the value of bragging rights at a cruise-in? :D
^^^^^^^^ what he said

Blake Foster 02-14-2012 08:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chicane (Post 395386)
It's about four grand a corner, just for the brakes alone... ya sure about that Blake ? :lol:

That's a-lot of tacos...
that is probably the cheep part!!!!

MillerBuilt 02-16-2012 05:59 PM
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GregWeld 02-16-2012 06:55 PM
Good gawd this is a pissy thread....

Every time I see a new post here - I think I must not be on Lat G anymore....:wow: :wow: :faint: :rofl:

Sieg 02-16-2012 08:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JSM (Post 395990)
You can laugh, joke, avoid the questions with little comments.....but this speaks volumes. Still interested to know how your stamped housing is stronger than "any fabricated plate type" as you stated over on PT and never explained?
I've wondered why the US President is still popular, regretefully, critical mass is the answer. I doubt you're going to win the popularity vote in this election.

Vegas69 02-16-2012 08:06 PM
Sometimes engineering defeats substance.


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