THIS is what you need --- just call Gary Patterson at Shelby and order it up - tell him I sent you... 'cause I told him you're a baller and carry big cash!


http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...0nats/file.jpg




This is Jack Mauer's "new" Mustang.... It's a fantastic car!




http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...ats/file-1.jpg

it said it was too short because you put your comments INSIDE the quotes; to the software you didn't post anything. ;)

Matt, I cant believe I missed this thread! Awesome work, I'm glad to see another "NON-PRO" dive into metal work like this. Keep up the great work. :thumbsup:

Now you finally understand my signature line......

Then I have to agree with you ideals on a modern Ford engine and a reasonable supercharger if you want big hp in a Stielow fashion with a Ford symbol. http://www.evoperform.com/shop/index...oducts_id=1080

I can see why these guys are saying LS as you can make the same power for a hell of a lot less. What does a pull out mod motor bring?

Matt,

As you know the nice thing about the Coyote swap in the early Mustangs is that it's becoming fairly common.

Yes the 6.2L SOHC Ford has an iron block, but it should be a very torquey motor. Not sure how the dimensions compare.

With more cam and breathed on heads and intake, might give you the power you need while still keeping a lot of factory parts. I would think the price is likely to be a lot better than a Coyote, but I haven't checked.

Always can bore and stroke it as well. Nice not to have mess with a blower.

I've read that a lot of unlocked potential was left on the table with that motor.

It would be different too.

I have to tell ya Matt..... I just today somehow stumbled into this thread. I went back to page one and read all of it and double checked all the pics etc.

Somehow I thought you were building the GT500... so just wasn't interested in looking to see what was really going on.

Personally - I'm very proud of you! It takes real guts to cut up a perfectly good car, take on the challenges, and see it through. It's not easy. It is fun.

I like what you've done. :thumbsup: :lateral: :cheers:

I actually like that motor. Screw SoCal traffic ..:D

We stopped by BOS to pick up the Mopar and to see your mustang in person finally. Well, I did see the before stage when Mark owned it.

I must say, I don't know what you do for a living but you have a skill to fall back to if the current one gets boring. :thumbsup: Very nice work.

That's the best idea you've had all year.

Yes! :woot:

Totally agree and this sounds like exactly what you want and will get you the best of everything you're seeking, budget notwithstanding. :D

Coyote + blower = :thumbsup:

Of course the problem with that is it sounds boring to Rob. :lol:

...No. :lol:

won't make it. Way too early. Thanks for the invite. Can't act like an old person all the time though. I realized I can't act young when I'm old. It just doesn't work as well. Have fun autocrossing. I should have my Chevy back to lay the beat down on the Mustangs soon though, like two weeks...

I like your style Greg. :D

And mucho cash it would be for those Arias/Shelby Hemi SBF heads. :cool:

Maybe it is just me, and my terrible luck with LS stuff in the past, but it seems like big HP LS engines with relatively linear and smooth torque curves don't run much less than the Ford motors with blowers. I think once you want over 600, youre going to be to have to break open the piggy bank with LS stuff. Over 600 usually means forced induction or an LS7. My 454 LS7 should make 700 all day long, but it wasn't cheap to get there. Gregg warned me about what he called the "ls7 tax" and now I understand where he is coming from, and mine is only a hybrid LS7.

Coyote motors seem to run around 5-6k used and 6-7.5k for a new one depending on the various models. Superchargers run about 7k but usually that price includes everything you need.

Personally I'm starting to like the look of this combo.
http://www.jegs.com/i/Ford+Racing/39...A50SC/10002/-1
http://www.jegs.com/i/Edelbrock/350/15880/10002/-1

the Edelbrock unit has the longest intake runners, and supposedly makes the most low end torque of the bunch.

Thanks Greg! I definitely know what that line in your signature means now. What you didn't see from the pictures is how many times I had to fix things and do little stuff over, or try and figure out how to approach a situation. I'm sure you probably already knew that without me saying anything. I have to say, it is more rewarding by the day as i get more of a feel for what is going on. Somedays I just have to walk away, but that happens less often now. It definitely is a lot of fun. I'm starting to think I might have to build more stuff in the future that I can flip and sell at a loss, or ideally for the cost of the parts plus a little more money. :D

Vince, glad you made it down to BOS to pick up the Satelite. didn't realize that was you that was going to be getting the car. It has been sitting forever, and I've been hoping someone would be able to turn it into something cool one day.

Some nice engine stuff @ Roush Yates for Black Friday.... :unibrow:

http://www.roushyatesparts.com/roush...cial-s/856.htm

trouble maker.... spend your own money :lol:

Give this guy a call and get yourself a stroked windsor with AFR heads and beat the hell out of it.:D

http://www.fordstrokers.com/dart-bas...-shortblocks-/

Dave, you can keep trying to spend my money, but I doubt you'll get very far, with my credit card right now. The Camaro just went up on a trailer back to RPM for engine tuning. It's great news because it means I'll be able to drive it next week. It is not so great news for buying a Ford motor right now. I just got hit with the bill for pistons, and assembly, and will be hit for dyno tuning and some help from the mechanic at BOS to help get everything together.

Now, about these Ford Windsors, damn, they're expensive if you want to go all aluminum...

Matt

Quit you're whinin' ---- You don't hear Charley and I whinin' do ya?

Your rope is to short to make time....:lol:

The walmart of engine builders. Run....:D

Not Wallmart

Just a short rambling about us here. My name is Jim I own and run fordstrokers almost single handedly. I opened fordstrokers after opening my small block ford tech forum. I figured I could not only sell parts at competitive pricing but one thing I could do better than any other mail order-internet parts house was provide superior customer service and the needed tech help.
*Try calling one of the major parts houses and ask them a specific 347 stroker question Good luck with that. Ya they ship your products for free, yes they have massive amounts of buying power when it comes to pricing, BUT they don't have the experience or technical know how to help you! That's where I thought I could gain your business. Friendly, knowledgable tech help along with fair pricing. That's my motto and I stick to it.

I encourage you to buy parts from me, but don't stop there. Please come over to my forum and feel free to discuss your build, ask questions, add your comments and have a good time while we all play in this hobby! Thanks for listening to my rambling and feel free to use the live support button on the far left side of every page. The person that will answer your call is ME.
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Already found the Walmart of engine builders, and they build LS engines.

Greg, I thought that whining about Ford motors and their prices was just something everyone did. It is also my understanding Chevy engines are generally so cheap in comparison you can't complain about them until they break. Well, I guess I broke code on that last part.

Sad but true I guess!! :lol:


:cheers:

I've got a home built Walmart (LS) engine in my Mustang now. I grenaded 2 of them before I figured the oiling issues out. At last count I know of at least 10 of them that went south for the same reason, and thats just in our little community. When you lean on stuff that hard under those types of Lateral G's(no pun intended) you better be sure you've thought of everything.

Luckily I didn't have alot wrapped up in either engine I lost, my question would be, what are you really going to use it for? If its more of a show, with an occasional track day car, go with the super cool, super expensive Shelby Hemi, it surely will command way more attention. If its more of a track/ beat the living crap out it car, I'd stick with a basic SMF, or an LS. I just can't imagine that Shelby engine timing out early, it would be enough to make you put a gun in your mouth.LOL

That's not bad advise. Build it so you can afford to break it.

+1 definitely good advise, on deciding what you want to do with the engine, and car.

If you are even "thinking" that you want to possibly race the car, once in a while, then take the time to add the right componenents to your engine.

it might not be your builder, either. It might ber what you tell them.

"No I don't plan on racing the car." that's what I told my builder

-sigh-

sad part was even then, I knew that I might take it for a run down the drag strip to 'just see what it does'

be honest, no matter who you get to build it

Of all the engines i have blow up i found out that over building them is always the best way to go. Sure, stock engines can take more power but with the sacrfice of reliabilty. The factory detunes cars for a reason.

I do plan to drive the car hard, and my goal with this Mustang is to take what I learned from building my Camaro with BOS and build a more capable, and reliable car that is easier to drive on the street and track, but also brings something new and different to the occasional car show. I like things purposeful, and I have tried to blend design and function as seamlessly as I can.

That Shelby engine is insane, but doesn't really fit into my budget. I could buy it, but it would kill my monthly car budget, and I don't want to do that, nor does that engine really seam like a good match for this little car.

I talked to Bret from Ridetech yesterday, and to build a 427 Clevor with injection and an aluminum block, I would be able to build a couple LS engines.

So, right now I'm thinking a regular old Windsor with aluminum heads and a dry sump, or that Coyote crate that is built for boost, and topped with a blower. Both would probably weigh about the same.

Still open to ideas, preferably those in the 12-16k range. :lol:

Matt

Just drive down the street to Todd's guy.:unibrow: Todd isn't this your guy building SBFs?

http://pettisperformance.com/?page_id=5


He obviously build lots of Windsor based motors that make way more hp and stay together.

AL headed 408 with dry sump will take a beating for years and not come apart.

Yep, and it's the Outlaw 10.5 record holder. I believe at 6.67 and 217 mph. I just emailed Jason this week to introduce him to Chris Robinson and the new owner of my car and he said they are now running 6.30's in the 226-229 mph range with the new Hemi. He like's small block Fords.

Your right, he has a reputation for big power AND reliability.

Edit: It's now 6.50 at 218. http://www.pscaracing.com/records.html A record must be backed up within 1% the following run.

That is the thing, with some used parts you can build a 700hp LS for about 1/2 that if you aren't afraid to assemble it yourself. The Clevor Fords are pretty cool also, I think you could peice together something relatively cheap. Of course the dry sump stuff does add to the cost a good bit.

If it was me -- I'd buy the crate motor and stick a blower on it... lots of low end grunt - would look "appropriate" and be affordable.


If I went the Petitis or Tony Oddo route -- I'd end up with a beast.... 'cause that's the way those things go...


An LS motor is what makes SENSE --- but only dollars and cents....

That's the thing, I don't trust myself enough to build a bullet proof engine. I know I could put together a 650+ hp LS2 out of the parts I have lying around and about 6k, and I wouldn't hesitate to do if I was building strictly a driver/fun weekend warrior, but after all the sheet metal work, and the level of fit and finish it is going to get from the BOS paint shop, I just can't help but feel a little bad about putting an LS in it. I almost feel like the car deserves better. :lol: I'm going to have to wait and see how my wallet feels in a couple months...

I agree with the crate and blower ideal. That's how I peg Matt as well. I will say that Jason listens and will build what he feels best suits you. He nailed me...

Last year I would have bought a crate motor and a blower without hesitation. Now I'm not so sure. Depending on how tame the LS in the Camaro turns out, I might decide to go old school in the Mustang. I really just don't want two cars that have a similar feel. I guess if they both drove really similarly I could just sell one, and build something else.

I also would normally see you "making sense" with a crate + blower deal. But I like this metamorphosis I seem to be witnessing.... :cool:

Liz Miles' streetfigher couple Stang had a nice Windsor 427 in it I recall and wasn't too over the top.

I actually like the idea of an LS in the Mustang. I think if I had a Mustang that wasn't a Camaro you could tempt me to do an LS in that. Otherwise no way Jose.

I still like Roush Yates for you. Just do what Maier did and put a Nationwide 358 in it and be done. You know you want to. Just a little. :woot:

I remember talking to Mike at the taco party this year. He has to heat the oil to a certain temperature, then turn it over to get oil pressure, then warm it up to a certain temperature, etc... It would take you and hour to leave the garage. F that...

Not exactly accurate. I talked to him for quite awhile (sober, mind you :lol:) at Goodguys 2 weeks ago about his whole system. It ain't as bad as you make it out to be. But it ain't no stock LS1 either.

Priming the pump is recommended by most (except Rob's dry sump guru) after prolonged sitting. But there are "adapters" out there to make that pretty easy.

Yeah Mike was hilarious describing his setup when I talked to him. I asked him how many stages his pump was.. he said "I have no idea". LOL. He said the whole system (motor, trans, dry sump system) has been in the car since last year and has run without a hitch since then. Some road course action, many autocrosses, and commuted to work (about 50 miles or so roundtrip) at least 10 times he said. Hey, who said that stuff can't be reliable? :unibrow:

Well, Matt?

More of Sikora with Pettis power

Nov 14-18, 2012 , Las Vegas Motor Speedway, The Strip. Outlaw 10.5 racing. # 1 Qualifier & Low ET Doug Sikora
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMssl...=youtu.be&hd=1

Don't forget my boy Artis Houston,,, Pettis "nailed him" too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sj09-Om3nk

Sorry, any reason to post Drag racen vids :unibrow: