I thought that gesture was you showing..."I'm #1"

You need to ADD both fingers -- as I'm usually known as a # 2

NorCal Shelby
 

Just to be sure was the orange car running in blue
group? If not then you were running with Dave's girlfriend
If so she is pretty fast and there are no point bys in blue group

Wiener dog guys are a great group I ran with them for a few years
in my mustang. Last time I ran with them I was meat balled for 104/105 db
even after they showed me the sound meter. Have not been back to Sears
I did have a set of mufflers built so I can now

Dave is close to one of the fastest in blue group
If old orange can hold him back I might have to put a Chevy
in the Pantera. But never an Ls:)

Panteracer #3

Dave registered OTEC and he didn't register another driver with the 9 car. Unless NorCal Shelby Club allows him special privileges I'd have to say it was him.

Better start shopping.........:lol:

Spotted this beauty at McGee Motorsports.
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The dark side of tracking a really nice car.
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Tuning table.
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After session worksheet. No rotor temps due to failed temp gun.
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Gaetano was registered in Green group (Advanced) which is the group that Charley, Pete, Chet, Mike and I all run. Blue group (Expert) is WAY faster than Green and the cars/driver combinations are "racers" vs what I'd
call our group "track rats".

Dave (#9) is OTEC and can run any group he chooses. A Green group stickered car can not run in Blue group - but a blue group car could be run in Green if the session isn't full. Sieg even managed to run the Lotus in Red while sporting a Green group sticker.

Sundays are generally far less crowded than Saturdays and are more fun to me with less traffic to contend with in all groups.

THIS is exactly why the Mustang was scheduled in to get some upgrades. Ron Sutton will do the math for you (you PAY HIM) and show you why you shouldn't be running 1965 STOCK ball joints and bearings and spindles --- when you're also running fat sticky Hoosiers etc. The stock stuff just isn't up to the task....

Racing is expensive (we really don't race but that's the best description) - it gets way more expensive quickly when your car comes off track on a rollback. I'd rather be a little proactive and fix it before it happens.

Here's the other thing... When your car works better (thank you Ron Sutton Race Technologies!) you go faster and harder... which puts even MORE stress on parts. The tire temps creep up - the brake temps creep up ----- and all that heat is put into the bearings and spindles... Why would a guy try to build an 800 hp motor - quadruple the tire sizes from stock - and not upgrade these other critical parts?

Two reasons, he doesn't know better or doesn't have the funds. How many racers do you know that would spend there last nickel on a go fast part?

I'm with you, this is serious business.

Isn't that the same set up you currently have? Was it just the ballpoint or did the spindle fail, I can't tell.

A fully documented one of six GT ordered without factory stripes that's campaigned in Vintage Racing East and West.

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Your yellow car has been faster than most for years as is. I think this is more of you just can't sit still.:twak:

NOTHING gets done without the CheeseBalls!

GUILTY AS CHARGED.

Busted! I got head-faked by Ron rushing to get Greg's tires set and Pete and Greg appeared to be hurrying to get fuel. So I just suited up and headed down to the hot pit and the cars had just been released and they were all waving at me to go go go! LOL

As it worked out there was about 50% less cars on track than the green group, in the no passing zones their pace killed your lap times, but in the gaps I could really focus on my lines and rhythm vs maintaining pace which I really needed having never been to this track before. Being trapped in the esses would result in 2:20-2:25 laps, I think the best finish line to finish lap in this video was a 2:02. Which according to Ron's timing was a couple seconds faster than many cars were running in the green session I was supposed to be in. :sieg:

I actually think that it's people "DON'T KNOW" because until recently - we didn't have a Ron Sutton on board that knows and is willing to share.... I really think it's something we just don't put much thought to. We (as a group) are not racers -- we're basically hot rodders.... and we hot rod what we know. More motor - big brakes - big fat sticky tires - Fancy paint and a little gap spray. That all works until you go to start to beat on this stuff!

The reason I'm even mentioning it is to RAISE AWARENESS for others here that are more and more trying to track their cars.






Chicken and the egg..... did he have an off track excursion and cause breakage or did he break and go off track? I didn't talk to him so I can't answer the question.



Here's what I do know - and what I do think about - now that RS has brought this all to my little pea brain...

Speeds on these tracks are quite high... and that K wall starts rushing up at you real quick - like at the exit of T10 in Sonoma. I don't need to smack that because of a few parts that can easily be uprated. Frankly -- If I knew I was only going to take myself "out" -- okay -- but I'd sure hate to take out one or two other innocent guys with me because I was negligent (now that I know the dangers/potential issues).

While I agree 100% with all of Ron's points, the blue Mustang went off track with all parts intact. The wreck caused the balljoint to break, not the other way around. We spoke to the customer a day or so after the fact.

Carl are those stock spindles on the fastback, they don't look quite the same as mine, maybe just a later year.

Besides the BJ, how did the rest of the equipment do? And just to clarify, I'm not throwing stones or starting anything, (this time) just trying to learn.

Dan

Off track not due to component failure was my understanding. There was grass pinched in the rim that indicated to me that an impact caused the ball joint to separate.

Carl did your customer mention where he went off at?

that car broke from the impact and not impact due to breakage. Hard to prepare for that. Is that Griggs equipment? they are pretty sturdy.

I agree Greg, everything needs to be stepped up several notches.

edit, sorry, missed the last page.

I can't say anything about the poor guy's incident with 100% certainty as I am not the one who spoke to him. It sucks to see but it's better to bend a fender by breaking a small part than it is to bend the frame.

Everything else is fine as far AFAIK.

The spindles appear to be stock 65-66 style.

I dunno where he went off, Sieg. I figured you were there and would be able to tell me, haha! I notice the tires aren't anything particularly sticky so there are a lot of possibilities. I could speculate but that's the same as assuming and we all know how that works out. :)

I wish I could have been there, as I would have asked him, but stuff at home required my attention.

Sorry you couldn't make, would have been nice to see you again. :thumbsup:

The driver wasn't around so I couldn't get the good gossip. It had my curiosity because of the front impact below the bumper and the right rocker.......just couldn't figure out where that might have happened and not hit a wall too.

I remember looking at those tires and thinking they certainly didn't help and probably were the cause. :(

I have the perfect solution Greg. I'll trade you straight across either my Dale Earnhart # 3 car or my Tony Stewart # 20 car for the Mustang. You won't have to screw with all that outdated unsafe stuff that we have all been running for years and you will have big brakes, tires, dry sump, big safety cage, fire system etc.

A buddy of mine, Michael Thompson is a partner there. Nice place.

Nice floor Charlie.

From my observations they really understand servicing their customers too! :thumbsup:

Run of the mill museum finish.

I hate Orange (well... and yellow too) and can't find it in my heart to drive a dead guys car (that's just bad juju). So you're cut. Besides -- I STOLE the Mustang and you're never going to recover from it. And Jack Mauer will double my money when I'm ready to sell. <where's the tongue sticking out icon?>

That's nothing but a floor for my little Lotus to puke oil on... it looked way better when that little POS was sitting in there.

You're my hero :hello:

Hey Dan,

Thanks for asking about the Falcon! It did great--I was only in the yellow group, as this was my second track day, but if it says anything, I was lapping my group members in the second run. In most of the pictures, I'm alone, even though there were something like 35 cars in each group...

They've got great pics of all of our cars at www.gotbluemilk.com--they're the track photogs, and kick butt at their jobs...

Sieg,

You rock with the camera--thanks for the great documentation of the metal out there! It was good meeting you again--good times!

So....... You've never actually met him have you.......

I'm really just going to turn the Mustang into the race car you always wanted.
LOL

It was fun to put a face and a handshake to the name! Glad you came out and had a good time! I used to run Yellow group and had a blast... Frankly -- track time is track time and I don't really care what group I'm in. Apparently either does Sieg... but I digress. You car was awesome. Next time bring it up to Thunderhill and run the full 5 miles in October with us.

Just to reinforce the point, Carl, I've done a hard, airborne 180 into a ditch on my road (really nice, along American River) that bent steel rims (2, front and rear), tie rods, and leaf spring shackles. Other things were a bit damaged as well (see passenger side of my Falcon), but my TCP upper arms laughed at the impact. (My Global West lowers survived nicely as well.) The K772-type screw-in ball joints are used quite successfully by many racers of different stripes, with full confidence.

I wouldn't leave my house with stock '65 Mustang tie rods, however...

Be right back!

.............searching photo galleries for extra special image of Greg. :unibrow:

The check's in the mail, dude. :thankyou:


(Note, there will be no actual checks being issued.)