Did you drop the engine and trans in yet?

Tomorrow maybe.. found out I had the wrong T56.. ack!

What! How did that happened

Man i love this project

?? can you tell me where you got the grommet for the steering column ?

Actually it's a duplicate of the grommet I use for my main harness. I get them from John at Speartech (the harness guy). It ended up working great for the nascar style column I'm running.

Mis-communication on my part I'm sure. It can be used with an LS2 but it's a PITA compared with just using a f-bod T56. Also, with the f-bod T56 you can run all their clutches and easy to get parts. Just a slight delay.

I can confirm that you HAVE to run the f-body LS1 oil pan with the 21st Century frame since the engine sits so low (close to the rack).

Fuel Cell
 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have a poly fuel cell in a sheet metal box? Ever consider moving to a real fuel cell like Fuel Safe, ATL, etc.(flexible bladder in steel box). Maybe install it in a 3/4" steel tube frame.

It had a Jegs poly cell. now it has a baffled 20 gallon stainless tank by Ricks. The box it sits in is quite secure and is held in place by square tube bracing.

I like the idea of the Fuel Safe bladder but this fit in the hole nice and should serve me well.

yeah, whey spend $2000 if you don't have to, most people who use fuel safe cells are doing it to meet a requirement in a racing class, they are nice but not required for most cars. Unless you just want people to see that big red tank with the huge white letters hanging under your car, gives you that racer look. They are the ultimate in safety, however how many cars/musclecars are running out there without one.

I plan to run either a Fuel Safe or ATL cell in mine. Too much can go wrong on a road course IMO to not have a baffled, puncture resistant cell mounted outside the car.

I suppose, whatever floats your boat, definetly couldn't say its a bad idea :thumbsup:


EDIT: man i just added another page to steves 21 odd pages or so :rolleyes: :captain:

Hey, it's better than starting a new thread one every new "car thing".. :)

Without question!!!!! Man, I guess I might be a bit over-sensitive, but there is a good amount of that goin' on.

True: I agree, the fuel cell for safety reasons is a really good idea, but as is the case with "everything," it's not free. The fumes that leech out from my Fuel Safe unit on the 69 fill the garage, this is typical for these types of cells. I really hate to say it, but the track car stuff, though a really good idea, is a PITA on the street and really takes away from the fun after a while. Try getting into the race seats (you remember the ones, nice and "tight...") with a Starbucks (yes, I am from California, and yes, I spend $4 per day on a foofy coffee, and that ain't gonna change). As good, get your 40 year old butt out of it, race harness included, in a tight parking lot.

It's tough to make a true dual purpose car, safety (i.e. race car safety) really kills the creature comforts. I spend more time, alas, on the street these days than I do the track. Moral of the story? The 68 GTX-treme is going to get full on cruising comforts, even though it will be fully track capable and will take on ALL comers at estimated 3800 lbs. The 70 Camaro will be in between, but more towards the serious street and occaisional track trim (faster and stickier than the current 69 config). The 69 will transform more into a full on track car, full cage, dedicated fire system, etc.

Okay, I'm done. For now.
M

I hear ya but like you my Camaro will be for fun and not to be depended on for transportation so I'm willing to put up with some of the niggles of having racing seats and a cage.

I am interested in a solution to the gas S'tank. With the collected knowledge base here and over at PT.com we ought to be able to solve that issue. If there isn't already a solution out there.

Mark your rights. What's funny though and even though its hard to explain to someone, you really start caring less about creature comforts and eye appeal etc when you get more and more into tracktime or racing. The speed itch will take over! Its cool to have race parts on a street car, but be honest with yourself about what you really intend to do with it. In most cases, even though people don't want to believe it, is that its a better idea to just build a race/track dedicated car. But then they see how expensive it is.

So for the most part something like a fuel safe, would look racey and be the safest out there and have that cool factor but really if you want to drive the car around and not be on the throttle 100% of the time I think something more streetable would be more enjoyable. You know I really liked that boss mustang that was in this months hot rod. From the begining the guy realized that it was better to just build a track car. Thatthing was killer and is actually driven! I like the street cars to(i have one) but if money permitted to have 2 cars like that are where its really at for me. Steves car is killer too, its stripped down, but not too much, still will make a nice street car. I bet that 3-link has a decent ride, not to harsh. There is no bind so with the right dampning on the shocks and the right spring/sway bar combo I would expect to ride good, and same with the front. Then add in a injected sharp LS2 and some supportive yet usable seats and that thing would be a blast to drive and not be out of hand either

Race gas.

Yeah, that is a little more pleasant aroma.

In all seriousness, the only way I know of is to run your vent line through a charcol canister, but have no personal experience with that.

I've been around lots of race cars and street rods stored in enclosed trailers and garages and I've never even noticed a gas smell. Maybe I just expect it and my brain ignores it.

You guys do realise that you own hot rods, right? They're supposed to be stinky and loud. :)

I'll be able to get the wife to deal with a $10k engine (if I don't have a heart attack when I drop the visa for the thing)

I'll be able to get the wife to deal with some of the following.....

.....with the loud exhaust
........with the racing seats
...........with climbing in over a cage
..............with no AC

etc

But if she walks out into the garage, smells gas she will be certain the whole dang house is mere seconds from a horrific fireball.

http://www.sepmar-firex.com.au/image...tinguisher.jpg :D

Seriously, I'd look into the charcoal canister. Or, what about making your fuel cell vent terminate at a bulkhead AN adapter, and when the car's in the garage, hook up a line that goes from that bulkhead out the garage wall or roof? Just don't forget to unhook it before leaving!

Could you take an Aeromotive fuel filter, empty out the element, plug the ends with mesh then fill it with activated charcol? This way it would be easy to plumb your vent line through it... would it work?

I havent had much luck finding charcol canisters except at the aquarium store. I have some extra aeromotive filters.. thoughts?

As I was told by both the folks at Fuel Safe, and ATL (both are one company now as I understand it), the issue with fumes isn't the venting (at least not alone), but the bladder. It will allow vapor release, and there ain't squat you can do about it. In fact, the guy I talked to actually talked me into a lesser bladder (I have the cross linked poly unit) from the fabric type I had been eyeing, he said there'd be less vapor release, it'd stand up better to the crap additives that the fuel companies are forced to put into pump gas (remember WAY back when that gas used to smell good?), and for a part time track car I'd be happier.

And yes, the obvious solution is race gas, Matt is so smart. Or something like that. Overall, it's not that bad, so don't stress about it too much.

M

Yea, but would my idea work out right for regular street tank vent system. Was thinking it might be a fix. I just bought a vent bung today that has a check valve in it (in case my car ends up "upside down". Now I want to find something to shut off the fule pump if it senses a certain number of g's (or whatever). I know it's out there, just can't remember.

http://www.lifeinwidescreen.com/siihp/engine2.jpg

Could've put it in on Friday but I need the morning install so I have the "right light".. need an opening shot and maybe a cover shot. It's much faster when you don't have to shoot and document the whole process.

So to say this whole magazine job thing is working out for you would be an understatement then? :D

Well, if you mean because I get to do what I love and get paid yes! :yes:

The cheap/free parts are nice too but to be honest I love doing Theory storys more than install stories.

It's a fun job but a LOT of work too. and every month is a new set of deadlines.

The best part is that I can actually call up the owners of large companies and pick thier brains for info. That's a BIG bonus.

how about a tip over sensor off a bike, it will only cut power if it is layed almost 90* to the side or up-side-down.... most of them self reset, so you can tip it back over and finish your trackday :thumbsup:

I built my own charcoal canister, but was worried that I was restricting the rate at which air flows back into the tank too much. Funny thing is, when I removed my homemade canister, the 2' or so of fuel line that loops up and around seems to have done the trick - I hardly smell gas at all anymore. Maybe the fumes can't travel down the looped line easily?

Where would you find one? Don't be tossing stuff like this out here without a link.. what were you thinking??!?!

:rofl:

all the sportsbikes use them, if you want I can take a picture of one for you, and get you a part number. But it won't feel G's only if you tip it all the way over, so it would only work if the car flipped. They have about 3 wires coming out of them(not sure what they do) and mount easily with 2 bolts.

Well it's a start.. and if Im 90 over then I want it off. I thought I saw something (OEM??) that tripped if it sensed a certain G-force limit.

Kinda amazed nobody makes something like this.. seems like a no-brainer safety idea.

I think that you are looking for something like a factory Ford Inertia switch. They work in an accident situation by popping up mechanically from the force of the impact and interrupting the fuel pump circuit. Just push the switch down to reset. I know on the F150's the switch was located behing the passenger kick panel. A Ford dealer should be able to help you out (here is a link that explains the switch: Inertia Swich) - and a picture ...

I have my fuel pump wired through my oil pressure switch, I don't think a motor would run upside down with a carburetor. Its also nice because when I turn the ignition switch on, the fuel pump isn't running. BTW the ford solenoid looks like a better idea

I was going to mention the Ford inertia switch. You can find them in most late 80's-mid 90's Ford cars in the trunk, usually over the passenger side wheel well. Some might be on the drivers side. It's also usually under a panel. It's not out in the open.

The engine is in.. well, almost :)

Have to re-engineer a line on the rack that is hitting my low-slung alternator. Also, and this is no fault of 21st Century, I am modifying one tube on the header to clear my steering. Their header is designed around a normal Camaro steering column and not the shot racing one I am using. Other than that the engine an trans is in and in a few days (have to go install an interior into g/28) we will finish up the install and fire it up. Only have to install the loom and run the fuel lines... easy.. lol

http://www.lifeinwidescreen.com/siihp/install.jpg

Steve, first, as always, your craftsmanship looks sweet. :thumbsup:

Second, you win...at 12,200 views for this thread, that has to be the most views a single thread has ever had. Wow! :eek:

yeah but I bet at least %60 of them are his! :rofl:

i bet i've viewed this thread a few hundred time

Jesus F'n christ aint you done yet, so you can drive it, this thread bores me to tears, I'm sick of seeing it!!

Liar!!! no more than 58%... lol

Hey, it beats having 100 threads.. one stop shopping this way. :)

My car is on hold till Friday since I am putting an interior into g/28..

:thumbsup: