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SSLance 05-29-2018 08:09 AM

I guess it's time for a little bit of a shop update.

I've been working on unpacking the little things and finding ways to put them away in an organized manner. My OCD might be kicking in just a bit here but I can't help it.

I picked up some louvered panels that the Akro bins hang on and have sorted all of my hardware out by size and type. These will hang on the wall by the lift, out of the way but still easily accessible.

Here is a picture with Barney's door wide open while on the lift. This shows the room available between the lift and the wall.

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._070426-XL.jpg

Everything getting sorted out on the worlds most expensive workbench...

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._075152-XL.jpg

You can also see there that I've moved the tool boxes up to the front of the lift. I picked up a second 72" rolling bench which is on the back side toward my office area.

It's a mess in this picture but I'm starting to get it pretty workable... I'll pretty it up and put things in the permanent place once I finish the shop area.

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._103712-XL.jpg

A bit of the OCD madness...

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._120200-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._121200-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._081531-XL.jpg

I liked the panels and bin setup so well that I ordered a few more which will be here this week. These should let me finish putting up everything on the "bench" in a way to keep it neat and tidy but still very easily accessible.

I also ordered some steel Locboard and hangers to hang some of my tools and such that just won't fit into the benches. I haven't decided yet if I'll hang those under the LocBins or somewhere on the opposite wall.

I re-purposed a steel office supply cabinet I brought with us into a storage cabinet for cleaners, paints, and oils and such. It fit on the wall right in between the two overhead doors.

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._080250-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._143610-XL.jpg


The AC has been working great. Typically I've been coming out and opening up the back door of the shop and turning the fan on when I get up and letting mother nature cool the shop down then about 7:30 am or so I'll shut it up and turn the AC on about 78-80 degrees. It hardly runs at all until about 11 am or so then cycles for about 5 minutes or so every 30-40 minutes. Our electricity gets expensive at peak times 3-8 pm so I've been shutting the AC off at 3 pm and leaving it off the rest of the day. The shop actually stays pretty comfortable for a few hours after event with temps in high 90s outside. I'm impressed with how well it is insulated for sure.

Saturday I put roller solar screens up on the (6) 48" x 48" windows on East and West side of shop and they have helped a TON!. Today is my first day back in the shop with them installed and so far can tell a big difference in heat soak. They still let light in but almost zero heat.

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._080741-XL.jpg

This picture shows where the morning sun is shining in thru the solar screened window. Before the part with the sun shining on it would be 15 degrees hotter than the shaded part...now...they are the exact same temp.

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._075525-XL.jpg

That's about it for now, once I get the rest of the bins in and up and everything put back away I'll post some more "finished" looking pics...

GregWeld 05-29-2018 08:16 AM

WOW!! You're cranking right along there Lance!!!

65_LS1_T56 05-29-2018 08:38 AM

Looks awesome Lance. At my previous business, that's how we stored nuts and bolts in the Akro bins. Works good, easy access and affordable/expandable. Although, you sure you have enough metric? That is a "metric chassis G-body" after all!

SSLance 05-29-2018 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 678112)
WOW!! You're cranking right along there Lance!!!

Thanks Greg! Sometimes it feels like one step forward, two steps back but I'm getting there!! Can't wait to start working in the shop...not ON the shop...


Quote:

Originally Posted by 65_LS1_T56 (Post 678114)
Looks awesome Lance. At my previous business, that's how we stored nuts and bolts in the Akro bins. Works good, easy access and affordable/expandable. Although, you sure you have enough metric? That is a "metric chassis G-body" after all!

Thanks Aaron and lol!! To be honest, most of those metric fasteners in those bins are ones that came off of my G Body and were replaced with something SAE!!! Or extras left over from trying to attach something aftermarket to the chassis or body...

I have a habit of bagging up any leftover parts and pieces from projects (to do something with later). I found bags of stuff left over from projects on Barney going back to way before I ever started racing it. The bags brought back the memories from the "electric fan install" or the "GTO seat install" projects. Most of what I have been doing the past few days is emptying those bags out and sorting the hardware in them and putting them into the rest of my hardware.

SSLance 06-01-2018 01:08 PM

So after my initial trial run with the louvered panels and bins...I decided I needed more of them. I also decided that the center of the panels needed an additional 2 screws to compliment the 10 screws around the perimeter of the panels. When really loaded down the center of the 48x24 panel would pull away from the wall a bit.

Before

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._093619-XL.jpg

After

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._093852-XL.jpg

I did this on all 4 panels now in my possession.

I also decided that trying hard to line the holes up on the studs wasn't necessary as the mollys held just fine in the sheetrock. So since I had the first two panels down, I rearranged how they hung to be a bit more eye appealing. Here they are hung along with the 2 Locboard (pegboard) panels I also picked up.

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._113012-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._113041-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._113100-XL.jpg

I picked up Triton's 63 piece assortment of pegs because I have no idea what all I'll need but I needed to start somewhere. Here they are hanging on (2) 18x36 panels.

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._114321-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._114338-XL.jpg

I'm sure I'll need more and different pegs as I go along but this was a good start.

And here we are with (145) 5x5 bins and (12) 11x11 bins full and on the wall...

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._121821-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._121758-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._121741-XL.jpg

I'm pretty happy with how it turned out. It makes use of the wall space there where not much else could go, is very organized which will make finding the hardware in the bins super easy and should help keeping the rest of the shop neat and tidy.

jarhead 06-01-2018 07:19 PM

it appears you are well hung, lol :lol:

GregWeld 06-01-2018 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarhead (Post 678267)
it appears you are well hung, lol :lol:



I think you're right Joe!! Don't think I've ever seen anyone with such well hung nuts.

SSLance 06-06-2018 09:35 AM

Had the first "customer" in the new shop yesterday for an oil change...

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/i-H..._064558-XL.jpg

Felt good to be wrenching once again in a real shop...even if it was just an oil change.

It went so well in fact that I decided to maintain my other driver as well...

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/i-f..._095603-XL.jpg

Oil changes for EVERYONE!!!! :D

Working on the drive-on lift is different than the 2 post I'm used too but so far everything is just fine. It's nice to have a "shelf" nearby to put things and with a little bit of finagling was able to get to everything needed just fine. Next job is pulling the third member out of the rear axle on Barney for inspection so that'll be a bit more involved... Will update how that goes once it happens.

GregWeld 06-06-2018 09:43 AM

In my shops --- I've always had a large RubberMaid 4 wheel cart to put stuff on while working under the lift.....

How many times have you bumped into the ramps.....

Goosesdad 06-06-2018 11:13 AM

Fantastic!

SSLance 06-06-2018 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 678424)

How many times have you bumped into the ramps.....

Not once! It helps that they go up way above my head if needed and are huge...

I did have to rearrange things a couple of times to get the jack tray to hold my oil pan in a place that still let me get my right hand in the right place to get the drain plug out without splashing oil everywhere...

I was going to try to not get one of the stand up oil catch drain dealios but I think that will be easier than dealing with a drain pan on a jack tray.

TheJDMan 06-07-2018 08:27 PM

I can't tell you how much I would love to have a shop like that. VERY NICE!

Lenie 06-10-2018 11:21 PM

So very cool Lance!!!

SSLance 06-11-2018 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheJDMan (Post 678478)
I can't tell you how much I would love to have a shop like that. VERY NICE!

Thanks! It is nice to have a 2nd chance after spending 10 years building and improving on my first shop. So far this one is exceeding the first by leaps and bounds even though it is smaller in size.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenie (Post 678581)
So very cool Lance!!!

Thanks Lenie!!

SSLance 06-16-2018 04:44 PM

Big step today, two months after moving in I finally unpacked the last of the shop boxes...

https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon...NpDr5vb-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon...Dkpmw9Z-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon...ZZ3G88V-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon...stDpHLJ-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon...HcbvvfL-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon...HWZzJ6n-XL.jpg

I think I've decide this will be my "fab corner"... I've got a floor drill press and a 14" bandsaw coming next week and I need to build a rolling steel workbench that will fit against the wall when not in use.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon...BP7q56R-XL.jpg

My other choice to put the area is to park the RV all the way up to the back door and use the area right behind the front door. This may be a bit more convenient because closer to lift and tool area but electricity for the welder is more of a challenge there. Having the dirty area further away from my desk area might be a plus as well. We'll see...

So far I'm pleased as punch with how it is turning out. I hosed off the floor today and pushed the water out with a squeegee and it cleaned up pretty good. It wasn't slick at all when wet either BTW... I think it might be easier to clean up with a big mop and bucket but that's just one more thing I have to store the rest of the time when not using it. I'm considering it though. The shelves really helped consolidate my "treasures" and keep them in an orderly fashion. The wife was afraid they'd look "junky" but I think they look spectacular.

GregWeld 06-16-2018 06:38 PM

Looks spotless (as I would expect) and beautiful. Getting settled is always a nice feeling.

camcojb 06-16-2018 08:15 PM

Beautiful shop Lance. :thumbsup:

Stuart Adams 06-17-2018 06:25 PM

Looks fantastic.

SSLance 06-18-2018 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 678786)
Looks spotless (as I would expect) and beautiful. Getting settled is always a nice feeling.

Thanks Greg! Hopefully I can keep it looking this way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by camcojb (Post 678789)
Beautiful shop Lance. :thumbsup:

Thanks...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart Adams (Post 678808)
Looks fantastic.

Thank you


So This worked out pretty slick. I needed a way to get up on the mezzanine up above the bathroom that didn't take up any floor space when not in use. Found this handy dandy small space attic ladder that worked perfectly.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon...8zC8LPB-XL.jpg

It has a spring loaded arm up top that helps pull it up and stow it when not in use.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon...3hRr7C6-XL.jpg

The pole has a hook on the end that you use to pull the ladder down or push it up and there are push button locks that lock it in extended form. It's actually easier\better to go up and down than the 14' step ladder that I've been using and takes up a WHOLE lot less room.

bergers59 06-18-2018 10:24 PM

What floor treatment is that? looks great

Build-It-Break-it 06-18-2018 11:44 PM

Great ladder! Where were you able to pick that up from? I could use that myself.

shelteredV 06-19-2018 01:56 AM

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Great job Lance, I know what it's like to "reset" and do a new shop. I'm still getting settled 2 years later.. It's a constantly evolving project, and it never freakin' ends...

gofastwclass 06-19-2018 06:18 AM

The shop is looking great Lance. I'm not sure I would go inside the house except for meals and to hang out with the wife. Hahaha!

SSLance 06-19-2018 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bergers59 (Post 678867)
What floor treatment is that? looks great

As usual, I had to do things just a bit different than everyone else. I was way more concerned about ease of keeping clean than looks. I also wanted a floor that would stand up to abuse but also me easy to patch up should I "abuse" it too far...

What we came up with was to first grind the floor smooth with 40 grit pads on a huge commercial concrete grinder. Then all of the expansion joints, cracks and divots were filled with a grey epoxy caulk and then the whole floor was ground again this time using 80 grit pads. The next day a coat of clear polyaspartic was put down, basically a quick drying clear epoxy. We mixed in some aluminum oxide to provide a bit of grip but I'm not sure now it was even needed. The floor is not slick at all, even when hosing it down.

When you really scratch the floor (yes, I've done that in many places already) it is kind of like clear coat on a car...it looks horrible. But as soon as you wipe it or rub the scratch, it almost goes away. There are many surface scratches on it that I bet could be polished away if one wanted...but I'm not concerned about them at all. I clean it up with a dust mop for the most part and got it looking this good for the pictures by hosing it down with water and using a squeegee to push the water and dirt out the doors.

And no Greg...I haven't lost any nuts or bolts on it either. :D In places where it really got ground down, you can see the aggregate of the concrete and it looks really cool...but for the most part it's all one color and easy to see thing that fall on it. :D

SSLance 06-19-2018 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Build-It-Break-it (Post 678870)
Great ladder! Where were you able to pick that up from? I could use that myself.

Amazon baby!!!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It is good for a floor 9' 10" above the other floor, mine was 9'7"...

SSLance 06-19-2018 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shelteredV (Post 678873)
Great job Lance, I know what it's like to "reset" and do a new shop. I'm still getting settled 2 years later.. It's a constantly evolving project, and it never freakin' ends...

I'm ready to be done working "on" the shop and start working '"in" the shop!!

Your shop looks great. How does your heated floor work with the race deck tiles? Would you do that floor again?

SSLance 06-19-2018 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gofastwclass (Post 678881)
The shop is looking great Lance. I'm not sure I would go inside the house except for meals and to hang out with the wife. Hahaha!

Thanks!! I have been known to hide out a bit out there from time to time... :D

SSLance 06-19-2018 07:01 AM

You can kind of see in this picture what I had to do to get the shelves to fit to my satisfaction.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon...HcbvvfL-XL.jpg


I found these shelves at Costco for $60 each. They are 4' wide, 24" deep and 8' tall with melamine shelves. I cut 8" off of the bottom of the back legs and attached them to the walls direct. This was to clear the trim and stem wall at the bottom. I then had to trim each of the front legs to the proper height to account for the hump\slope of the floor. The high spot of the floor is about where the pressure washer is and it drops about an inch each direction by the outside edges of each shelf. This way the shelves themselves are level, square and plumb.

It is hard being afflicted with the OCD but in a weird way satisfying at the same time. My wife thought I was crazy during the process but understood why once it was done. I'm sure some of you will understand as well...

BMR Sales 06-19-2018 07:02 AM

Garage looks great, Lance!

SSLance 06-29-2018 05:59 PM

I picked up a few tools this week that were sorely needed in the shop. Some were things I had before in my old shop but didn't bring with me, others were things I've always wanted.

First up is a Hein Werner 12 ton Hydraulic press.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/i-K..._151659-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/i-V..._151709-XL.jpg

I kept a lot of the steel and aluminum plates from my old press and got quite a few with this one as well to help in situating things when using the press.

I had a bench drill press before but I'm real happy to have a Chicago Machine Tools 12 speed floor drill press now.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/i-2..._151742-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/i-x..._151752-XL.jpg

This is the one I'm most excited about... I've always struggled with improvising when trying to make clean cuts on different types of metal, this Wilton 14" Tradesman Bandsaw should help considerably with that task.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/i-h..._151835-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/i-m..._151843-XL.jpg

I also picked up these 3 rolling shelf carts and a transmission jack.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/i-B..._151856-XL.jpg

The shelf carts are just cool, not sure what I'll use them for yet but I'm certain they'll earn their keep in time.

The trans jack is older, and leaks...but should get the job done with needed. I'm tempted to take it apart and see if I can find a shop to seal it back up again. Every tall trans jack I've ever seen like this leaks so maybe it's just the nature of the beast. Kind of a pain though in a brand new shiny floor shop though.

I also picked up some car setup tools which I'll show later once I get them all setup. I will say though, they will go very nicely with the 4 post drive on lift... :)

I also did some decorating today...

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/i-6..._105930-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/i-H..._105958-XL.jpg

jarhead 06-30-2018 06:10 AM

Moving right along Lance, I love the tool selection.

Before long you will drag home another project car, it's a sickness I tell ya :lmao:

waynieZ 07-02-2018 01:19 PM

You got yourself some nice tool there. I wish I had the room. It's looking good.

SSLance 07-10-2018 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clill (Post 677494)
Since you had a two post before I will be interested in your opinion of the 4 post after using it awhile.

So I'm knee deep into my first project on the new lift, and thought I'd update you all with my experiences. The project was to pull the third member out of the rear axle to inspect and repair (metal in gear oil) and it involved getting the back half of the car up in the air and secure while lowering the rear axle enough to get the third member out from under the mufflers.

What I have found is the pad extensions for the chassis jacks are either too short or too long.

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._070501-XL.jpg

The long extensions won't fit under the frame at ride height and the short extensions won't lift the car high enough to get my jack stands under the frame.

There are a couple of different options to fix this and I'll probably implement them both. First a shorter set of jack stands (preferably with a flat pad type top) would make this a LOT easier and second, a set of extensions machined about halfway between the long ones and the short ones in length would also help.

Here is what I ended up doing for now. I used two of the short extensions on each side and lifted the car from the #4 body mount position (right in front of rear tires) high enough to get my jackstands under the frame behind the rear tires. I then moved the chassis jack forward far enough to get out of the way and lifted it up high enough to just support the middle part of the frame as a safety measure.

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._130933-XL.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._070435-XL.jpg

At this point the car was very stable on the ramps and the axle was hanging low enough to get the third member out.

https://photos.smugmug.com/1985-Mont..._070354-XL.jpg

As far as doing the work once the car was lifted...none of this was an issue. I have plenty of room to move around both in between the ramps and outside of each ramp. My arms are long enough to reach in from the outside if needed and the ramps go plenty high enough that I never banged my head, not even once.

I like having a place right there to set tools and parts, this is especially handy when working alone and need one hand to hold a part and can set a tool or two close by to reach for with the other hand.

The lift is VERY sturdy and goes up and down with no binding or issues. Very pleased with it's operation.

I did have one other issue I had to address. The rolling jacks were almost impossible to move forward and back and especially if they got twisted sideways just a bit. It took me a while messing with the adjustments on the wheels before I finally figured out it was the wheels themselves binding up. There is no bearing or anything, just a solid wheel riding on a stepped solid axle, bone dry... Any sideways pressure on the wheel lodged it against the step on the axle and locked it up.

I pulled every wheel off and put a coat of wheel bearing grease on the axle stub and step and reinstalled them...the jacks glide almost effortlessly now up and down the ramps. HUGE difference...

As far as working in the rest of the shop, it's been great as well. The AC keeps it very nice in here even when it's brutal hot outside. I hardly ever even turn the lights on as there is a lot of light that comes in thru the (6) 48" x 48" windows up high on each wall. And the floor surface is just awesome. It cleans up great and is pretty tough as well. I dropped a control arm from about 5' high on it yesterday and while it put a mark in the clear coat on the floor...just rubbing my foot over the mark made it mostly disappear. I'm sure at some point the marks, scrapes, and gouges will start to add up but the easy thing is a simple coat of clear coat over the top will fix it right up again.

And no Greg...it does not hide whatever is dropped on it... It is very easy to find the nuts and bolts my fat fingers drop to the floor.

Vegas69 07-10-2018 05:37 PM

That right there is exactly why my shop with have a 2 post. :action-smiley-027:

shelteredV 07-10-2018 05:55 PM

Ultimately for a home based shop, or small biz, having both style lifts would be awesome, although costly and unlikely. The asymmetrical lift I have is great, but I would love to have a 4 post with rolling 3 ton hydraulic jacks for the ultimate in versatility. Just my .02

DBasher 07-10-2018 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 679954)
That right there is exactly why my shop with have a 2 post. :action-smiley-027:

For the Jeep or Toyota, Uncle Rico? :lol:

Lance, looks like a great opportunity to install some V bands on the exhaust, you know you’ll be back in there at some point. :thumbsup:

camcojb 07-10-2018 08:33 PM

Move the jack up so it rides on the top of the lift where the tires go. Works way better that way and gives full expansion at all heights.

CJD Automotive 07-11-2018 06:07 AM

Rotary has these lift blocks for their rolling air jacks in two different heights. I have 8 of the tall ones and 8 of the short ones. They are nice and "grippy" for lifting on a round axle, pinch rail, etc. and don't dig in or leave marks.



http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/...psi41ke5fu.jpg

SSLance 07-11-2018 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 679954)
That right there is exactly why my shop with have a 2 post. :action-smiley-027:

Yeah, but the drive on makes other things so much easier like wheel alignments, corner balancing, ride height changes, oil changes etc...


Quote:

Originally Posted by shelteredV (Post 679956)
Ultimately for a home based shop, or small biz, having both style lifts would be awesome, although costly and unlikely. The asymmetrical lift I have is great, but I would love to have a 4 post with rolling 3 ton hydraulic jacks for the ultimate in versatility. Just my .02

Yup yup...

Quote:

Originally Posted by DBasher (Post 679963)
For the Jeep or Toyota, Uncle Rico? :lol:

Lance, looks like a great opportunity to install some V bands on the exhaust, you know you’ll be back in there at some point. :thumbsup:

I hear ya... You know the exhaust from the X-pipe back is still the same that was on the car when I bought it over 10 years ago... It's well past time for an upgrade on it in many ways, V-bands included.


Quote:

Originally Posted by camcojb (Post 679965)
Move the jack up so it rides on the top of the lift where the tires go. Works way better that way and gives full expansion at all heights.

That would be a 4" jump up on the whole jack assembly, pretty sure the pads wouldn't go under the frame at their lowest point then. Interesting out of the box thought though.

Keep in mind I'm still very happy with this lift. I knew I'd have to find a way around this very issue before I ever bought it. It is still WAY better than laying on the ground trying to do this stuff... :D

I really think the answer is very simply just shorter jack stands. I'm debating on either modifying mine or trying one of these sets.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1500_.jpg

10.71" - 15.6" tall

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....L._SL1500_.jpg

13" - 21" tall

Most stands (including mine) start at about 15" high

GregWeld 07-11-2018 07:52 AM

I have a set of the "big reds" --- they're real lightweight and a very small base.

I keep them in the trailer and use them more as a "chalk" to check the floor jack if changing a tire. They're "okay" but that small base -- under anything at an angle - that's dangerous. Dangerous enough doing that anyway.


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