I would think so, with the only caveat being engine placement. If your engine is back in the rearward position should work IMO, gets tight to the radiator/fans when the engine is in the forward position. All I would have had them do is shorten up the T4 flange connector about an inch for inner fenderwell clearance (red circle in pic below).

The great thing about them besides the quality is they do custom stuff as a normal business. So changes are easy, they'll do whatever you want. With me, he sent me the normal kit with the headers tight to the engine and then told me to cut/clock/whatever changes needed and send it back for them to re-weld. Also, ordered mine in the middle of covid and he told me two weeks... it was exactly two weeks when he contacted me to tell me it was shipping.

You'll need a mid mount front drive for my setup, but he can build it for whatever drive you use, he's done most of the popular ones in house at one time or another. The pic below shows the section I straight cut about 3/4" out of for additional fenderwell clearance.

Thanks, I will probably give them a call after selling my LSA Supercharger and accessory drive system.

David

Got my hydroboost from Hydratech today, looks awesome! Fits perfect with my clutch master bracket. Installed the Baer Remaster unit and lines, along with their proportioning valve. Added my Mightmouse Solutions catch can and ran the vent hose. Little progress, but better than none at all. :thumbsup:

After looking at it I'm probably going to swap the valve covers side to side so the vent hose is short and not so obtrusive. Will make it harder to add oil, but not impossible.

EDIT: Decided to change it, looks MUCH cleaner IMO. Brings up a good point... don't be afraid to look at your project and come up with changes that would be cleaner, easier to access, etc. Often like in this case it costs nothing but time.

It def cleans it up.
Get another PASS side cover? That would make adding oil easier.

ditto

Good call on moving the breather hose Jody. Looks nice!!

Engine compartment visual balance?
 

Looking good, though a thought came to mind when you swapped your valve cover to accommodate the catch can / breather on the driver's side. What do you have planned for the passenger side of the firewall? I see a lot of smooth wide open real estate there. I do realize you have a down pipe from the turbo that will be running through that side. My thoughts are that from what I am seeing right now (in my possibly limited perspective of your full vision) is a bit of clutter gathering on the driver's side now, with the brake assist unit and master cylinder and catch can all grouped together. Once you also add a wiper motor assembly into that area, it's going to get even more occupied. Might the passenger side of the firewall be a better place to hang the catch can / breather, which will add some symmetry to the engine compartment appearance, then also saving you from having to obtain another valve cover? I believe it would be also easier to drain on the passenger side of the firewall when needed. I always think, rethink, and think again when setting up engine compartments, and like you said, spending some time moving things around to see what and how things may fit best is part of the engineering process.

You are the artiste` and the vehicle is your canvas!

One more further thought if I may? Depending upon how tight your engine mounts will control drivetrain movement, I do also suggest you remove an inch +/- of your solid SS upper radiator hose pipe on each end to allow more rubber hose to take up the flex of chassis / body / engine frame movement. I have made the mistake of running this scenario too tight, not allowing for enough flex and movement, resulting in a stress cracked upper radiator hose inlet. As you know, those types of things always manifest at the worst times, as per Murphy's Law (Chapter 6, section 3).

:happy23:

Good thoughts Paul, thanks! Can't move the steering and brake system obviously, and there won't be a wiper motor visible (going a hidden system inside the cowl). With a 4" downpipe off the turbo and the wastegate line intersects at some point that will get a bit more crowded. I was trying to avoid adding anything else to that side if possible. It makes sense to put the catch can over there, but I think it will look good the way I have it. Will surely be easy to change though if I change my mind. :thumbsup:

Using urethane engine and body mounts so I think I'll be fine with the flex issues. The rubber radiator hose connections do allow a fair amount of movement.

Jody, are you gonna use Raingear for the hidden wiper system?

Yes, they finally have one for the 70 Chevelles. :thumbsup:

Good deal!! I have it on my car too and I'm please with the install and the clean, hidden look as well.

One thing to keep in mind about the raingear wipers... do they offer recessed park?

Most 68-72 Chevelles had recessed park wipers, which hides the wipers under the hood line and down on the stainless cowl trim when they're shut off. When they're running they move up out of the parked position and stay up on the glass until you shut them off, then they drop below the hood line and park on the stainless cowl/windshield trim.

DSE used to offer a recessed park wiper motor option for Chevelles but discontinued it years ago. Haven't seen anything other than a rebuilt original factory motor offer recessed park since then.

If the raingear wipers don't have recessed park, they're going to sit a few inches higher up on the glass even when they're off and won't be hidden below the hoodline compared to a recessed park OE wiper motor.


Something else to consider regarding the catch can and breather setup... with the breather tank now connected at the rear of the valve cover it might want to push a bunch of oil up into the catch can at high RPM / WOT when there will be the most oil in the valve covers and it's going to be pushed to the rear under acceleration, and any blowby is going to try and push it up the hose into the catch can. Gravity is on your side as the hose runs uphill from the valve cover to the catch can, but make sure the hole in the valve cover is baffled very well or you might have a real mess on your hands after a few WOT pulls. Been there, done that, have the bottle of simple green and a hose to clean it up...

Good point on the wipers, sent an email to them and they do not have recessed park. Will have to decide how big a deal for me that is. Have had wiper arms that show on almost all the cars I've had over the years and it never bothered me, but when looking at 70 Chevelles nearly all have the hidden wipers.

Now you've also got me looking at baffled vacuum pump valve cover fittings. Seems like if it was at the front of the valve cover and if it can go in a lower oil flow area it'd be much better.

When it comes to 68-72 Chevelle wipers typically only the stripper model / post / 300 deluxe cars had the non-recessed park wipers that parked up on the windshield when off, nearly everything else had the hideaway / recessed park wipers. I think I've seen less than 10 68-72 Chevelles in person with non-recessed wipers over the last 25 years or so.

The recessed park wipers also used a different driver's side wiper arm with double links and the transmission linkage inside the cowl is a bit different than a non-recessed park wiper car.

IMO a 68-72 Chevelle looks a bit goofy with non-recessed park wipers since they stick out above the hood line sitting up on the glass even when they're off. As far as I know there's no longer any updated / late model style aftermarket motor kits for Chevelles out there offering recessed park. That means you're stuck with using one of the large and rather ugly original or reproduction original style wiper motors if you want recessed park. DSE stopped offering their recessed park late model style motor for Chevelles many years ago (I heard it was for reliability reasons-- lots of failures, and now they can't even service or repair the recessed park kits they sold years ago so if you have one and it dies you're SOL.)

If you want to keep recessed park, you may be able to relocate a stock recessed park wiper motor over to the far left side of the cowl under the driver's side fender and build some extended linkage for it, but I'm not 100% sure it will work... never tried it myself.

If you keep the OEM recessed park motor but want intermittent / delay, if you search over on chevelles.com there's info how to make an adjustable delay circuit and switch that works with the OEM recessed park motor and doesn't try to park the wipers every time it does an intermittent pause... better than the off/low/high which is all you have to choose from with the factory switch.

https://www.chevelles.com/threads/ad...part-1.526153/

As far as the valve cover breather, what I've done on another car for cleanliness was locate the bungs and hose connection at the rear of the valve covers to be closer to the catch can but welded internal baffles/tubes that extended to the center of the valve covers, that way they're picking up crankcase vapors from the center of the valve cover and not likely to get covered by oil under either hard braking or hard acceleration. However, that was on an SBC with shaft rockers and tall valve covers that had enough clearance for the long baffle. LS valve covers sit very low and close to the rockers and there probably wouldn't be enough room to do that. If you have a vertical baffle out of the fill cap with enough height to it, it will probably work OK and not push oil into the catch can at WOT.

I'd say try what you have now, but check the catch can after a couple of WOT pulls and see if it's pushing excessive oil. You don't want to fill the can up and have it drip down on the exhaust manifolds.

Mounting the catch can on the core support seems to solve many issues and it keeps the back of the engine bay cleaner. I personally like the mechanics of the AN fittings and hose to the core support, but it's subjective.

non recessed wiper gang here. Add Malibu to your list.

I personally think the recessed window stainless looks like an oversized belt to hold a belly in. lol.

Im not sure if wiring is different to convert from non recessed to recessed, I believe the switch is different and the motor is definitely different.

It's been a while since I've had one apart so I could be wrong, but I believe the dash switch is different but the wiring is the same between the non-recessed park and recessed park setups. The dash switch doesn't do the parking though, that's handled by an internal parking switch and cam inside the wiper motor that parks the wipers when you shut them off. And yes, the motors are totally different between the two setups.

And you're correct, the cars with recessed park wipers have a taller stainless windshield trim piece that sits about even with the hood and fender line. If I was putting an aftermarket non-recessed park wiper motor kit on the car I would switch to the shorter stainless trim piece for the cars that didn't have recessed wipers, otherwise the wipers would probably jump up onto the taller stainless trim piece at the bottom of every stroke.

Great idea Todd. I got so enamored with the simple clean MightyMouse brake master bracket I ignored moving it forward. I know there won't be any room on the drivers side with my A2W intercooler.

Can you post a pic for me? I haven't been able to find a good pic of the wiper arms down and the hood closed. :thankyou:

I was always curious about this. The G-body Malibu's also have the recessed park feature (well.... the one I have & others I've owned did). It's one of those things I look for @ car gatherings now just to see how many might have had it.

Jody, it’s somewhat difficult to find any pics of non-recessed wipers on a 70-72... Best thing to do is do a google image search for “1970 chevelle greenbrier” (the stripper model) and some of the pics that show up will show the nose and hoodline with the non-recessed wipers. Most are flat hood cars though, not cowl hood.


Here's a pic on the car:

https://lateral-g.net/forums/attachm...1&d=1625609010

Here’s a pic of non-recessed wipers on a 70 showing how high they sit when parked:

https://lateral-g.net/forums/attachm...1&d=1625609010

And here’s a pic of recessed wipers on a 70. Note how much lower they sit:

https://lateral-g.net/forums/attachm...1&d=1625609010

Fit the Ididit column in today, fit perfect and the powdercoating is very nice. Could not be happier. And to make Todd happy I swapped the valve covers back to normal and mounted the catch can to the passenger side of the radiator support. Looks okay, liked it on the other side better visually but this should function better.

Thanks Troy. :thumbsup:

There's only one opinion that matters. :) The breather will mist some moisture and I can see that being a cosmetic problem near the master cylinder over time. You could put a line and petcock out the bottom of the breather and have the ability to drain the water into a pan from time to time. This is a time where I pick function over form. I love for things to work as desired under max effort. :)

Everything just looks so good Jody.

Hey Jody,

Here ya go sir!

-Matthew

Jody, mine had the hidden wipers too. Never knew anything different until just now this thread. Had to go find an old pic.

https://i.postimg.cc/76gnfwyL/72chevelle14.jpg

Thanks guys. Easiest thing to do is keep what I have (concealed), but I like the idea of cleaning up the firewall with either an aftermarket motor (smaller) or hidden unit.

I vote hidden unit Jody. It looks so clean with it hidden and out of sight.

Hidden wiper motor means visible wiper arms and blades.

their website still only shows the wiper kit for older chevelles ...whats one of these kits worth ? with delay or just high and low speeds ?

So maybe install the hidden wiper unit from Raingear and keep the wiper arms/blades in the trunk if needed... :peepwall: Best of both worlds.

Your Rendering...
 

Just to poke at you a little, your rendering does not show exposed wipers :bitchslap:

Form follows function in my book - seeing a wiper motor under hood certainly isn't out of place. I'm following your build, certainly not leading it. Yeah, a nice clean close out panel where the wiper motor used to live would look trick when you are standing around with guys admiring your engine compartment, and I get the whole cool concept of the RainGear hidden wiper system, but too bad they don't have the hide away park function (yet).

It has been many years since I have had my hands on an A body, though I remember removing the panel at the base of the windshield on a few to clean out a bunch of leaves and gook accumulated in there, recalling there was a rather large amount of glass covered by this plate (it was always dirty as hell so I remember cleaning this area of the glass before putting the plate back on). Just spit balling here, but what if you could talk to RainGear about possibly increasing the swept area in motion, which would allow you to retain a full wipe of the windshield but have the wipers drop down to that lower area of the windshield that is usually covered by that large base plate while in motion. That way when you shut them off, they will sit down out of view as if they were the "upscale parking hide away type" when off, or at least a lot lower. This would require a modification of the wiper linkage geometry to increase the overall swept area, or splitting the difference of how far upward they will wipe. This would also likely lead to a custom shortened windshield base plate, or even it's complete omission. Today's modern urethane used when installing windshields is so strong that you can omit the little windshield base tabs once the urethane has set 24 hours - that windshield isn't going anywhere once it is placed. Again, just thinking out loud as to alternate ways to possibly have your cake and eat it too. I haven't taken a close look at the RainGear arrangement, though believe there must be an arm on an electric motor running the linkages. If this arm on the electric motor was lengthened by a small amount, it should increase the wiper swept area. The engineer in me just can't stay contained - I always have to rethink most everything I touch to improve it one way or another. Great for some things, but not good when the wife is saying "what in the world is taking so long" :lol:

Or? RainX the windshield consistently and think less about wiper actions / travel. It's inevitable that you will eventually get caught out in a rain storm as this is a real car that will be really driven.

Things that make you go hmmm....

I have seen guys relocate the stock motor under the fender with a modified/lengthened arm on F bodies. Maybe it’s possible on A bodies too. I don’t know enough about the recessed wipers to say yes or no.

Don

What if you simply installed the wipers in a lower position while parked. It would limit the travel some, but how often do you really plan to drive in the rain? I'm not sure it's a viable option, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

Got this today for pricing.

So I can't justify the cost simply to not have the wiper motor visible. I'll either go with a new stock unit or a cleaner version from New Port Engineering and have visible wiper arms, or spend 2 minutes and install the arms when needed.

https://newportwipers.com/wp-content...4122071738.jpg

Thought of that but not sure how well the blades will like sliding on/off the stainless trim when operating. If I end up with something other than stock I will be testing this.

Thanks Paul, looking at all options now other than Raingear (due to budget).

Some details of moving it under the fender here:

https://www.chevelles.com/threads/67....371897/page-4

Don