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jeff71 12-08-2023 03:46 PM

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I don’t have any data other than “looking X guessing”. I would bet the stock LS7 Camaro Z/28 Tri Y headers will make more power. The GM Powertrain team did a lot of work on those Z/28
Manifolds to get over 505 HP stock.

I have made over 900 HP with the Holley exhaust manifolds on a blower motors.

Both are good. The Holley’s fit the “look” of the engine bay better.

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On season 1 episode 15 of Engine Masters they tested the Holley manifold against a mid and full length on a LS.




But for those that don’t have the capability of watching.

dhutton 12-09-2023 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 724813)
I don’t have any data other than “looking X guessing”. I would bet the stock LS7 Camaro Z/28 Tri Y headers will make more power. The GM Powertrain team did a lot of work on those Z/28
Manifolds to get over 505 HP stock.

I have made over 800 HP with the Holley exhaust manifolds on a blower motors.

Both are good. The Holley’s fit the “look” of the engine bay better.

Mark


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Thanks. I use those tri-y LS and LT manifolds on all the junk I build :). I find them on eBay for a couple of hundred dollars. Great value but they are a little ugly.

Don

Stielow 12-13-2023 04:40 AM

Hobbs Camaro (Old Drag Car)
 
What I learned on the Gen 5 Camaro Z/28 program is the LS7 works better if you keep the oil cool. This Earls oil cooler maybe a tad too big put I had it on the shelf. Im also using an Innovative Eng thermostat to regulate the temp. For a cruiser I chose the 210F thermostat.

You really want to get the oil temp up to 212F to help get the water out of the oil when you are just cruising around.

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syborg tt 12-13-2023 01:06 PM

Hi Mark,

Quick Question.

I am so torn with painting my Radiator and AC Condenser as I feel the paint always flakes off. Do you have any suggestions as what to use.

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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 724853)
What I learned on the Gen 5 Camaro Z/28 program is the LS7 works better if you keep the oil cool. This Earls oil cooler maybe a tad too big put I had it on the shelf. Im also using an Innovative Eng thermostat to regulate the temp. For a cruiser I chose the 210F thermostat.

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Stielow 12-17-2023 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by syborg tt (Post 724860)
Hi Mark,

Quick Question.

I am so torn with painting my Radiator and AC Condenser as I feel the paint always flakes off. Do you have any suggestions as what to use.


I’ve never had a problem, but I just had the Dutchboys paint them. Not sure on the process.


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Stielow 12-17-2023 07:20 PM

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syborg tt 12-18-2023 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 724895)
I’ve never had a problem, but I just had the Dutchboys paint them. Not sure on the process.


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Thank you I will shoot Paul a Text.

mj

Ns RS 12-19-2023 05:01 PM

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Marty I’ve had great luck with this - can’t recall but i think matt has used Eastwood chassis black on marks previous builds - project looks great mark

srode1 12-20-2023 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 724853)

Would be great to see step by step on some of these impressive pieces. Guessing from the TIG filler rod in one picture on this one and watching other mods his preferred technique for pretty much all their work.

clill 12-20-2023 06:56 AM

The average guy seeing the car won't notice any of these details.

Stielow 12-20-2023 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by clill (Post 724919)
The average guy seeing the car won't notice any of these details.


Buzz kill…


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fleetus macmullitz 12-20-2023 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by clill (Post 724919)
The average guy seeing the car won't notice any of these details.

Thankfully we’re above average here. :P

TechNova 12-23-2023 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by clill (Post 724919)
The average guy seeing the car won't notice any of these details.

Exactly the kind of mods I constantly think about and work to add to the car I am working on.

Stielow 12-24-2023 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by srode1 (Post 724917)
Would be great to see step by step on some of these impressive pieces. Guessing from the TIG filler rod in one picture on this one and watching other mods his preferred technique for pretty much all their work.


We will try to document some things in greater detail.

Mark


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Stielow 01-03-2024 06:48 PM

Hobbs Camaro (Old Drag Car)
 
Vintage Air has a new under condenser. It is a injecton molded part like a factory part. Vintage Air also make a/c systems for some
Nice factory cars.


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Matt at Sled Alley made a very cool mount for the new unit.


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Stielow 01-03-2024 06:54 PM

We found a nice isolator for the radiator.

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flyingv 01-03-2024 07:02 PM

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Please tell us where the isolators come from

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Stielow 01-03-2024 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by flyingv (Post 725001)
Please tell us where the isolators come from

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Stielow 01-03-2024 07:18 PM

Hobbs Camaro (Old Drag Car)
 
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Originally Posted by flyingv (Post 725001)
Please tell us where the isolators come from

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I purchased 5 styles. These seemed like the best ones for my application.

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Cramer4918 01-03-2024 08:39 PM

It's coming along! The attention to detail is amazing!

Thanks for the link to the isolators. I'm ordering some for the radiator in BISKWIK!:woot:

srode1 01-04-2024 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 724999)
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Matt at Sled Alley made a very cool mount for the new unit.


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made from scratch or modified one from VA? They could market those I'd guess.

Stielow 01-04-2024 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by srode1 (Post 725008)
made from scratch or modified one from VA? They could market those I'd guess.


He modified the VA supplied brackets.


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Stielow 01-05-2024 11:53 AM

Some assembly required….

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Stielow 01-05-2024 03:28 PM

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Needs a slightly shorter air cleaner.


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syborg tt 01-05-2024 06:04 PM

I am really looking forward to the next set of pictures as I love to see what you guys come up with next.

Inspiring work as always

F'in mine 01-06-2024 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 724853)
What I learned on the Gen 5 Camaro Z/28 program is the LS7 works better if you keep the oil cool. This Earls oil cooler maybe a tad too big put I had it on the shelf. Im also using an Innovative Eng thermostat to regulate the temp. For a cruiser I chose the 210F thermostat.

You really want to get the oil temp up to 212F to help get the water out of the oil when you are just cruising around.

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Mark, in your earlier post above you mention using a 210 degree thermostat & getting the temp up to 212 to get the moisture out of the oil when cruising around, I pressume you're talking about engine temps and not trans temp?
If that's the case general question regarding engine cooling, could you set the record straight & let some of us know what the fan settings you would recommend using dual fans and a 187 degree thermostat for our street cars using LS engines putting out around 500hp, N/A, wet sump. Thanks in advance.

Stielow 01-06-2024 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by F'in mine (Post 725029)
Mark, in your earlier post above you mention using a 210 degree thermostat & getting the temp up to 212 to get the moisture out of the oil when cruising around, I pressume you're talking about engine temps and not trans temp?
If that's the case general question regarding engine cooling, could you set the record straight & let some of us know what the fan settings you would recommend using dual fans and a 187 degree thermostat for our street cars using LS engines putting out around 500hp, N/A, wet sump. Thanks in advance.


It is a good idea to get your engine oil temp up to above 212F to get the moisture out of it.

We did a project at work that always had very low oil temp with poor PVC. Water condensation in the engine caused rust on the rods and the valve springs. Since then I always wanted a good PVC system and hope to get the oil temp up for general cruising.

I usually do PWM fans so they ramp in. We usually turn them on at 190 and are full power at 220F. I’ll need to look at an old cal to confirm but that seems close.

I hope that answers your question.

Mark


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Stielow 01-11-2024 05:40 PM

More induction photos

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Stielow 01-11-2024 05:45 PM

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Stielow 01-11-2024 05:45 PM

Remote coils


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Panteracer 01-12-2024 09:52 AM

Hobbs Camaro
 
This says cool in so many ways:

First the Air Cleaner to give the Old School look
Second putting the coils where the wires go to
a place where a real engine had a dizzy
Finally the brackets made to hold the coil along
with his spacers he used before making the brackets

Wish the Alt and Ps brackets were more old school though

Bob

Stielow 01-12-2024 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Panteracer (Post 725074)
This says cool in so many ways:

First the Air Cleaner to give the Old School look
Second putting the coils where the wires go to
a place where a real engine had a dizzy
Finally the brackets made to hold the coil along
with his spacers he used before making the brackets

Wish the Alt and Ps brackets were more old school though

Bob


My lawn mower has V-belts on it. I draw the line on the accessory drive going old school.

Thanks the layout is working good.


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Stielow 01-12-2024 02:37 PM

More detail, someone asked for details…

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ScotI 01-12-2024 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 725079)
My lawn mower has V-belts on it. I draw the line on the accessory drive going old school.

Thanks the layout is working good.


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I really like the Holley Mid Mount set-ups. Cleanly packaged & tight to the engine w/o the gimicky (IMO) bracketry.

Stielow 01-13-2024 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ScotI (Post 725081)
I really like the Holley Mid Mount set-ups. Cleanly packaged & tight to the engine w/o the gimicky (IMO) bracketry.


Yes I think they have the best set up right now. They use a proper Alternator with a field wire and a good power steering pump.

I wish it was made in the USA but that is the world we live in.


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Stielow 01-13-2024 08:42 AM

Every project needs a dead line. For me for this Camaro it is the Indy 500 weekend. It needs to be done so I can drive it to the track.

There is a Honda engineer that drives this 1968 Mustang “Bullet” clone. I want to park in the paddock next to him.

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I get along well with Honda guys. I don’t know this guy but he is on a Honda team.

Simple goals. Any way we are shooting to have this Camaro on the road by Mid May.


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WSSix 01-13-2024 05:10 PM

Good luck, Mark! Love how it is turning out.

ScotI 01-15-2024 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 725086)
Yes I think they have the best set up right now. They use a proper Alternator with a field wire and a good power steering pump.

I wish it was made in the USA but that is the world we live in.


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Agreed.

Stielow 01-16-2024 02:51 PM

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Kinda like a distributor.


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syborg tt 01-16-2024 05:01 PM

Once the Air Cleaner is on it will definitely look like a distributor and I am looking forward to seeing it installed.


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Kinda like a distributor.


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