I cant say anything about car builders but take a 10 minutes of american chopper and you have your answer..

American Chopper is really the only show that can "get away" with that type of show. Every other show that tries to cash in on that kind of format just comes across as following the leader. Fake? Maybe.

Wow, I never thought about that, We were all born with silver spoons in our mouths. It must suck to be 20 and broke.

We are all trying to make that money, But if she is 20 how much can she really know, give her 10 years and then she might know something. She just graduated from wyotech and worked at Dominator for a short period of time and now works at Boyds, which I think is staged for the show.

If they really want to make that show quality, they will follow Al around and watch him work or some of the other guys who get very little air time, cuz they work. I would hire that Al guy or some of the quiet guys any day, let the drama queens create the drama.

Rodger

When I met Liz at SEMA last year, she was very nice to talk to, very friendly and humble. I was impressed, she was a very genuine person and I had a great first impression. Fast forward a few months and the talk about the sponsorship deal, it really struck me as odd (and still does), it was completely out of the blue and not anything that I had expected from her. Between that and her talking about getting an agent and getting on TV, it almost seemed like she was being 'coached' into the direction she's taking. If she becomes successful from the steps she's taking, more power to her. We all have to do what we feel is best for ourselves and our family.

I guess what it boils down to is that it just seems like she had an agenda to get publicity, not be just one of the guys.

On the flip side, she knows what she wants and is working towards that goal. That's admirable for a 20 year old.

Perhaps this is true and some executive from TLC got her letters and said "we have just the spot for you".

I haven’t seen more than maybe 3 episodes of that show and the one I saw in its entirely was when they had some intern guy who they sent out to spray paint some bracket or something. Duane told him to shake the can until the ball stopped making noise and thats when you know the paint in the can was mixed. This kid shook that can for something like 2 hours. I nearly pissed myself.
Now come on... would you send an intern to do that for 2 hrs when you can have him do something else that it more efficient? Or better yet who the heck is so gullible to do that?
From the little I've seen and heard about, I'd say it’s ALL staged.

I've been around some guys that work really hard.. and you are right, they just keep their mouths closed and their eyes focused on the task at hand. If it wasn't for the guys that work hard, Boyds or any of those places wouldn't be around for long. Without at least one or two of those guys around you get shoddy work. Chip's a great guy and all... but he's got to have some hard working guys behind him with handfuls of talent. American Hotrod is all staged, how many times has any of those hard working guys left (not the smartass camera hogs) and amazingly been back... talented guys like that would not have been back if they really left.

Here's how I look at it...


"If she were a he would we even be having this conversation?"


She's talked about not for her skill, but because she's a novelty. That isn't to say she isn't skilled (she is) but it's nothing groundbreaking. I wish her all the best, but I see the buzz for what it is.. marketing. She's a gearhead with more skill than some on here and less than others. :shrug:

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Sums it up best in my opinion..

So we got 7 pages of evidence that says she's not that big of a deal :rofl: she's got something going for her

If she was a 20 year old guy hiring an agent and trolling for sponsorships from guys like Scott.....absolutely we'd be having this conversation. Gender would make no difference.

Look, here's my arguement in a nutshell. Hot Rodding has always been a man’s domain. It’s been dominated by men, that fact you can’t argue. Whenever a woman steps into a man’s domain whether it be Basketball, Football, Baseball, or whatever…she’s immediately put under a microscope and every move she makes is scrutinized. I wish it wasn’t like that, but it is. You make one wrong move and suddenly all your credibility goes down the drain. Men are less forgiving of women then they are of other men…it’s unfortunate, but that’s just how it is. Look at Michelle Wie the LPGA golfer who tried to enter a PGA tournament. As soon as she set foot on the turf every eyeball on that course was on her. And of course every mistake she made was amplified. Liz Miles has a chance to make some serious noise in this hobby and maybe raise awareness to other woman who aspire to participate in it. The Hot Rod feature was a great start and hell getting on AHR is awesome for her too. But when you start doing stuff like hiring an agent and trolling for sponsorships from website administrators…that’s going to get out and when it does it’s going to rub people the wrong way. Let it linger long enough and it will soon turn into a bad taste in the mouth, especially if you're a girl making these mistakes in a room full of guys. I just don’t wanna see it happen to her because I think she’s a cool chick that genuinely loves this hobby and is cognizant of it.

I know it sounds like I'm being hard on her but really I'm in her corner. I wish she would just let the accolades come to her rather than lobby for them. I truly want to see her succeed (as a builder) because I think this hobby can only benefit from more ethnic as well as gender diversity.

In other words....this hobby could use more Stacy Tuckers.