with 8 psi and water injection it should be able to run full timing, whatever a ZZ430 runs. I'd guess 28-30 degrees at least. If they're still at 15 degrees it would explain a lot.

I'm really thinking the power is in the tune. I'd also like to see 10 psi or so, that's still conservative with that combo. Get the other items repaired and then let's see what we can do tune-wise.

Jody

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bring it to jody or someone who you know will get it right, like you said you do not have the funds for anyone to be guessing whats wrong with it.
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Mike,

Sorry to hear you are still chasing this problem. As we have discussed before, my setup is no too different from yours (that said, my motor is a 383 and your motor is a 430) so I connected with the builder \ tuner of my motor and asked about timing. Here is what I heard back:

"The total timing was set at 30 degrees and at a idle 15-16 degrees. This is pretty standard for a small block chevy... 30 degrees total timing is the mark you should shoot for at 4500-5000 rpm... I had the car on a dyno and we tuned it with the computer and it made 530 hp at the rear wheels at 29-30 degrees... As I said in my last e-mail there is a spring set in the distributor that will not allow it to time over 30 degrees and that will prevent pre detonation... If you were to run higher octane fuel you could bump up the timing and gain a few more hp... As rpm`s increase so does the timing. Keep in mind that these numbers were after we installed the air-to-air intercooler".

Sounds like with Jody's help you have some great resources available to you to help sort the car but wanted to make this information available to you.

Take care,
Chris

Hey Chris, thank for the info. Yeah the problem is there, but I can’t keep spending money to try and fix it. The car drives really well (what I'm told) and the guys are doing what they can with my funds to make it a really good car. The big problem was me. I went in a few different directions in rebuilding this car, which cost me a lot of money, if I had done this from the get go and had the car designed with this in mind, I would not be having this problem, but that's what happens when you change up during the build. 400hp at the wheels is very disappointing, but right now drivability and function is more important at this point, and they got that down other then the gas tank, which I might need another tank built because this one is faulty. The car has to go back to Jason at Gearhead for light paint touch up, and will visit Jody at that time to brain storm (his brain, not mine) :unibrow: I'm not as worried about it, because it's coming up on winter time and there is no shows around this time of year, and not a lot of driving time left, except this coming weekend. Are you going to be at the show this weekend?

How many hours does CAR have into your car?

Man,those are words to live by in this hobby Steve,couldn't have said it better myself.I think everyone has a love/hate relationship with our cars...at least I know I do.:yes:

Bottom line:If it was easy,everyone and their mother would be driving these cars...but sometimes it's not.I know this is frustrating as all hell Mike but believe me when I tell you...it's all in the tune as Jody suggested and once you get it sorted out,she'll wake up big-time!:thumbsup:

Sounds like a very conservative tune-up and a compromise of parts to me.Still,you'd think CAR would be able to get you a good baseline.Regardless,your best plan may be to get it back and let a different set of eyes and hands have at it...

Good luck to you and hang in there...

You're car is killer in so many ways, Mike. Hopefully you'll get things sorted out and be the way you want it. Yes I agree it should be functional - but with parts you have compiled should also make a killer power at the same time. Trouble shooting a problem like this no doubt will nickel and dime you to death especially when you are paying $90-100/hr. My suggestion is enjoy it for what it is - which is no doubt a bad ass car, take a breather over the winter and get it to Jody when time permits on both your schedules. He has been around this stuff for along time and has probably forgot more than most know. Good luck. By the way the new wheels will take that car yet to another level!! :thumbsup:

Brent

Hey guys, thanks Bill, John and Brent for the support. Well I got the car back this weekend and it drove pretty good, not great but not bad either. All of the problems were fixed as far as drivability. The toys for tots show was a success and all went well. Until............. Going down the freeway at a pretty high rate of speed, just sorting it out a bit on a stretch of open freeway I heard a "ting" and felt nothing wrong at that point. I didn't put on my brakes at all and coasted to an exit near my friend’s house, and I figure I would get out there and look it over. I got to his house, put the car in his driveway and checked the car over, I noticed that the blinkers were not working so I called Tom at CAR and told him the problem, he told me to check the flasher, and the flasher was not really a good fit in the painless. It's a painless led flasher, and it doesn't fit into the painless very well. Go figure. Ok so I have no signals at this point, so I decided to take the car home, so I get in and attempt to back out, but problem is, the left front wheel is locked up in reverse. The top caliper bolt came out, and moving the car backward made it lock up. Also the front A arm camber clips are lying on the front wheel. I looked inside the engine bay and my left front A arm is loose. I guess I'm lucky that the car didn't go out of control at the speed I was going, but to the guys at the shops credit, I called Tom on his cell and he and Mark came out, looked it over got it on the trailer and were off in 20 minutes of calling them. Now before anyone says anything, none of the problems were CAR's fault. The nuts used on the A arms came from the factory, the brakes were never gone though at CAR because they didn't need too. So they will fix these issues and I should have the car back this week. They are going to do another kind of lock nut as this is the second time this has happened to the A arms. Also during the winter, Hector at Rick’s hotrod shop is going to fix my tank for free, and didn't flinch at doing so. Good customer support there. So in a nutshell, that was my weekend. Oh I stayed at my friends house and drank beer the rest on the day. I had nothing else to do.

Not sure. More then they are charging for, this I do know.