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70rs 01-23-2010 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.VENGEANCE (Post 264324)
I hear what Frank is saying and agree to a point BUT

hell have PLENTY of chances to do that soon enough.. Ive always been a true believer of "choose your battles wisely.

if that needs to be Daddys battle then so be it.. just remember these are the building blocks of life man.. hes gonna have to knuckle up one day..

just maybe this isnt the day.

Yup, not this day. Not his first time at school, in kindergarten of all places. Later? oh yes!! just not yet.

He is a tough kid. He knows he is doing the right thing as of this point. He also knows he can defend himself at any time. He is very patient and will tolerate a lot. But when his line is crossed he will respond. Just like me that way. My line is crossed in a big way.

DRJDVM's '69 01-24-2010 09:15 AM

Do not confront the other parents off campus. If you are looking for things to escalate and get sued, thats the best way to do it!! At best it would piss off the other parents enough that they will encourage their kid to go after your son more.....at worst, you get in a fight with them and the chance of lawsuits is way higher than if the fight is between kids.

I would probably DEMAND a meeting with the teacher, the principal, the superintendant and the other parents. Everyone should be present, so there is plenty of documentation and witnesses. Then hash it out....with the final position of being "everyone is aware of whats going on....everyone has been warned that when push comes to shove, your son will do whats necessary, including using his martial arts training to defend himself"

You wont change this kid or his parents with a meeting...but you will give plenty of warning...whether it be legal plans or physical outcome.

I would probably record the meeting too....either voice or video.

Have you talked to your son martial arts teacher? He might have some good advice for your son. Martial arts are all about "turning the other cheek, but if you have no choice, kick the guys ass" and "violence is the last choice, but sometimes necessary"

70rs 01-24-2010 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DRJDVM's '69 (Post 264382)
Do not confront the other parents off campus. If you are looking for things to escalate and get sued, thats the best way to do it!! At best it would piss off the other parents enough that they will encourage their kid to go after your son more.....at worst, you get in a fight with them and the chance of lawsuits is way higher than if the fight is between kids.

I would probably DEMAND a meeting with the teacher, the principal, the superintendant and the other parents. Everyone should be present, so there is plenty of documentation and witnesses. Then hash it out....with the final position of being "everyone is aware of whats going on....everyone has been warned that when push comes to shove, your son will do whats necessary, including using his martial arts training to defend himself"

You wont change this kid or his parents with a meeting...but you will give plenty of warning...whether it be legal plans or physical outcome.

I would probably record the meeting too....either voice or video.

Have you talked to your son martial arts teacher? He might have some good advice for your son. Martial arts are all about "turning the other cheek, but if you have no choice, kick the guys ass" and "violence is the last choice, but sometimes necessary"

Yes, talked to his teacher (martial arts and at school), also the superintendents office, the principal and support staff at the school. Everyone is aware there will come a time when my kid kicks the hell out of the other one. But that is what I am trying to avoid. And no, I would not confront the other parents outside of a meeting with everyone else involved. I don't need to get sued for beating an idiot.
I get the feeling the only way the school is going to do the job they should is to get the media and my lawyer involved. I can't believe I am having to deal with this at his age. Just stupid all the way around.

I am going to find out in the morning what they have decided to do with this whole mess. If the answer is not what my son and this other kid need then I will demand that meeting but will have my atty present at it.

parsonsj 01-24-2010 10:40 AM

It's a very difficult thing to deal with other children bullying your kids. My 13 yr old is a smaller boy than many of his classmates and has had to deal with it too.

In one instance, he dealt with it himself, and got suspended for 3 days. He was astonished when I told him he was in no further trouble with me. I also lit up the Dean at the school because I thought the no-bullying rule wasn't being enforced. Those three days hurt his grades too. However, that bullying stopped, and the bully ended up being a lonely kid as all his friends became my son's friends. It was all a bit primal, but hey, we're nothing other than really smart apes after all. I did enjoy the phone call from the other boy's dad complaining that his son had a large bruise on his ribs.

In another instance, we dealt with it with an email to the teacher. The teacher responded by moving desks and pulling the other boy to the side with a little "one-on-one" conference and sending a note home to the boy's parents. I'm not sure that issue is fully resolved, but it has been much better later.

jp

tones2SS 01-24-2010 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RECOVERY ROOM (Post 264323)
My wife is a lawyer and I had her read this,This is a good way to expose the problem with out any more issues.The school will not want this getting out in the general public........My thoughts are to confront the parents off school grounds and see what there attitude is

That is a great idea. Although, I suggest you have your lawyer talk to his parents instead of you and your wife. Things could get heated VERY quickly!!
Good luck Eric.:thumbsup:

70rs 01-24-2010 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tones2SS (Post 264525)
That is a great idea. Although, I suggest you have your lawyer talk to his parents instead of you and your wife. Things could get heated VERY quickly!!
Good luck Eric.:thumbsup:

Thanks buddy! Once it goes to the lawyer it will be up to them to handle all communications. I don't really want to even meet the other parents. (ok, I'd like to but it's REALLY not a good idea and I know that).
I will find out in the morning what is going to happen. I'll keep you posted.

tyoneal 01-25-2010 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 70rs (Post 263984)
Good idea. Then my son could teach him some manners.


Someday he will have to fend for himself, I am very aware of that. But not at 5 years old. Like I said, if he were older I would fully encourage he take this kid to the ground with a roundhouse kick to the head. Just not yet.

I am still looking for a solution through the proper channels. If this makes it worse, I will escalate the issue one on one with the father of this kid. My way. I am fully aware of the kind of world we live in. But right now my son depends on me to protect him and I will not let him down.

I am wondering if anyone else has had to deal with a school or district on this issue or level before.
If it comes to kicking some ass, then game on. I am all in. But would rather exhaust all other avenues first. It will keep me out of jail longer.

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Sorry to say this, but I had a bully problem growing up also. I learned to fight. Bully problem went away, and I learned to be self sufficient. If I had had my parents do something about him, I would have had two Bully's on my ass the next day.

This is how kids determine their pecking order. It's normal. Let him be a normal kid and deal with it. As the kids mature, this crap goes away. Until then, your kid will be better off, and have much more pride knowing he took care of it himself. He will remember the day he took his first stand. I know I still do. I don't physically fight anymore, but I'm not afraid to kick some ass legally, and people know this.

I don't have grown up Bully's either. :-)

I don't know if this helps, but it is my story.

Good luck.

Ty

deuce_454 01-25-2010 05:32 AM

i think that no matter what happens next, it is a good thing to have some form of written record of what you talked to the school about etc.. so next time you have a meeting with meet somone at the school, hand them a letter from your lawyer explaining your dissatisfaction that the bully-rules set forth by the school itself arent being observed.. and EVERY time you talk to them.. send them letter in a polite tone that for good measure recapitulates what you discussed and agreed upon.. and be sure to write in the letter that a copy will be sent to before said lawyer.. same with letters to the paretns of the bully... dont ever insult them, or theraten them.. just send , or have your lawyer send them a letter explaining what you have observed and that the corespondence will be shared with all parties, the school, your lawyer for future reference...

that way 95% of all trouble usually will be resolved, just give them the opportunity to fix the problem to your sattisfaction without being humiliated or feeling as such... that way you dont have a gunslinging redneck going postal on your family...

coolwelder62 01-25-2010 05:48 AM

:thumbsup: The same thing happened to my son a few years ago.We seem to talk till we were blue in the face but nothing.Then one letter from a attorney and it stopped and my son did not seem to have that problem any more.Something about a letter that has real meaning seems to hit home to the powers that be.Good luck.Tell your son to to keep pushing forward & Mean people are never sucseccful in life.

tellyv 01-25-2010 06:59 AM

Speak softly and carry a big stick!!! I would let my kid go kung foo on them!! And if that didnt work I'd give him some pepper spray, theres no way you should let your kids go through that I dont care if you get sued or your kid gets thrown out of school he needs to defend himself NO MATTER WHAT!!!


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