After typing and deleting several rants, I'll just say this: Based on this thread, any orders I have for wheels will go to Driverz, Inc.

i agree with you that sucked in wheels suck. i tried my hardest and spent HOURS measuring my backs to put them as far out as possible and building new tubs to get rid of that hump jon talks about. at the end of the day they are still further in than i would like, but its a balancing act between wheel placement and the amount its lowered. the wheels can only go so far into the wheelwell before the quarter naturally starts to lean over towards the roof. a compromise is the key.

i think youll find a few things out when its finished; narrow the rear 1" per side and add disc brakes and you will probably clear the hump by 3/8-1/2" as planned. if you still have extra space run a 305 tire and youll add another 1/2" to each side. and lastly, the fronts need room to turn with a dropped height. you can modify the inner fenders, but unless you work the actual fender your left with either a rub or a sucked in look.

I think these threads can be beneficial. Would it be possible to create a "Vendor Feedback" topic where they can be housed?

I've been having Jon as my wheel and tire guy for years and has always been great. Takes the time and knows his stuff.

I have only read and heard of everyone I know in the real world and the virtual world being happy customers of Driverz.

Fact: you just can't please everyone.... :thumbsup:

Is that like tight underwear on a hot day...rub,rub,rub

Only if we can start a "Customer Feedback" topic. I think it would be beneficial to other supporting vendors to share feed back on their experiences with customers as well. For example, to prevent fraud.

Back in 2008, I had a customer, Kevin Dinger, from Naples, FL. His Dad called and order a very custom set of Forgelines for his son's birthday to go on their Viper. He also ordered a killer set of PS2's to go with it. When the wheels were done he called and asked me to ship them directly to his son's address, just so they would make his birthday party in time.

2 weeks later, he called AMEX and claimed he never got the wheels.

I fought it and won, because they had actually emailed photos of the wheels on the car direct to Forgeline.

2 weeks after I won the first claim, they did it again. This time claiming I did not ship the wheels to the billing address on the AMEX...

AND THEY WON.

After 3 years, and winning a judgement in Riverside County court, I'm still out 7 grand.

I think it would be beneficial to have a customer feedback forum for guys like Kevin Dinger. Lets even the "complaint" playing field, so we can all limit the amount of douche bags out there that continue to screw over good people, and so that both vendors AND customers can be forewarned.

Hot Rodders are generally, cool and well tempered, tolerant people. Lets keep our hobby an enjoyable one, where we all try and help each other out, and keep the guys that are out to screw anybody out of it.

Exactly, I have a set of Forgelines and I sure as hell made sure they were tits on before ordering them. If you can't measure your own backspacing requirements, you shouldn't be messing with these old cars....

AHHHH ! The joy's of being self employed... I have been doing it for well over 20 years and it has it's days,Oh boy are there some days....I have seen every style of customer known to man...Thank god we have enough great loyal customers to offset the ones that make you wonder if it is all worth it..For all you buisness owners out there ( on this site ) I would place a large bet that we all wake up with the same goal in mind, WORK HARD, TRY TO DO OUR BEST and ALLWAYS know that word of mouth will feed you when the yellow pages did'nt...For those that have never done it or witnessed it .....It is brutal and it is on your mind 24 hours a day (even the vacation days )their is no 5:00 in our world.....At least in the old days if a customer was really pissed they would have to rent an add in the paper or carry a sign in front of your place ! Now ya just throw your rant out on the net and the chips fall where they fall......Well that's just GREAT.. So while jon should be shipping wheels and trying to do his very best at answering peoples questions he has to take productive time and turn it into non-productive time to defend his position,his passion and his livelhood to this stuff...I have a car we are building and darn near every part weve ordered will not work as delivered,The customer has seen this at all phases and he now realizes what a custom deal his car really is...IF IT WAS EASY, WOULD'NT EVERYONE BE DOING IT ?? Trav

Mike, I have to tell you, this absolutely made our day. :cheers:

For what you've said in here, I just made a thread called Costumer experience, go check it out.