Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 586942)

It's got a JRS designed C6 suspension with fabricated frame rails. Came out pretty good.

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 587438)

In all seriousness, the front of these old cars is usually the major weakness, not the back. I think this is great to maximize your rear dynamics but you better make the carpet match the drapes.

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 587415)

^ Bryan great question and one of the reasons I picked Ron's 3 link design as his are parallel. Early on I sent Ron web pics of the LD design. Ron pointed out that the angle of the LCAs would induce rear roll steer: good for rotating the rear on an autoX, not so good for high speed corners. Further, the higher speed the more roll steer induced. Now, I'm no expert but I'm thinking ideally that's not what I'd want. Better IMO to put in a rear suspension that keeps the rear planted as best as possible, tune the front for turn in and mid corner balance and let the rear compliment it. Obviously everything else plays into it (shocks, sways, balance and tuning), but that's what made sense to me.

I really like the LD fit and finish, but also think Ron's design is an improvement.

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 587438)

In all seriousness, the front of these old cars is usually the major weakness, not the back. I think this is great to maximize your rear dynamics but you better make the carpet match the drapes.

Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 587440)

I hear you Todd. :knokwood:

Ron always preaches that we are always chasing front end grip and often looking to reduce rear grip to match. Up front is a JRS front end. C6 spindles and coilovers like almost every other aftermarket subframe but is a conventional low travel high roll deal.

Are the Ron's making any changes to that or leaving it as it was when Dave and I picked it up in Maine and delivered it to Ron and Brian in OC.:popcorn2:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 587455)

First of all I hate that f'n pic.

Turn in is good on my 69 but it needs work. Rear roll center is too high, front to rear TRS is off. I think David Pozzi's recipe falls right in line with what Ron S looks for, more caster than KPI.

I had Jake build in 10* of caster (to be verified) on this sub. Will any first gen Camaro out perform a modern c6? Nope. Weight, weight distribution, aero, million$ in GM engineering. Can it get better than I've seen so far on my 69? Ron has measured it out and thinks so. 500 lbs lighter, so that's the plan.

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 587455)

First of all I hate that f'n pic.

Turn in is good on my 69 but it needs work. Rear roll center is too high, front to rear TRS is off. I think David Pozzi's recipe falls right in line with what Ron S looks for, more caster than KPI.

I had Jake build in 10* of caster (to be verified) on this sub. Will any first gen Camaro out perform a modern c6? Nope. Weight, weight distribution, aero, million$ in GM engineering. Can it get better than I've seen so far on my 69? Ron has measured it out and thinks so. 500 lbs lighter, so that's the plan.

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 587455)

First of all I hate that f'n pic.

Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 587460)

Not sure what you have against Dead pool that you hate that pic.:rolleyes:

Even with more caster the front still has minimal travel and a steep camber gain to go with the low travel. Plus the front end lacks any of the real adjustability for tuning such as Ron is building into the rear.

Are you planning on having Ron rework the front clip to make it as tunable as the rear or to allow for a true long travel low roll set up?

500lbs lighter than the 69:headscratch: How much does DP weigh? Did you ever scale her?

:cheers:

Originally Posted by carbuff (Post 587406)

Got it... Makes perfect sense.

One other question while I'm here... From a top-view, are the 2 lower arms parallel to each other, or do you angle them inward towards the front of the car? You have likely touched on this in a post somewhere. I'm not sure if anyone else makes them this way, but the Lateral Dynamics 3-link that a few cars here ran angled the LCA's inward as they went forward. I'm not sure if I've ever known what the reason for that was...

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 587418)

You and Gaetano need to get together and coordinate your excuses why I passed you both on leaf springs and skinny tires. LOL

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 587422)

^ right on queue :lol:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 587428)

Your not the only car still on leaf springs Mario.

You shouldn't have any problem passing Ron. Just be sure to have the back bumper back on your car when I'm pushing you passed him. :lol:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 587431)

Nutttin' wrong with bump drafting but be careful what you wish for.

:welcome3: