Remind me, what timing chain set is in that motor? :unibrow:

Damn F'n Likeable??

Dead F'n Last!

You don't look DFL in that pic

thats right they don't lap people in drag racing. :yes:

TRUE!! But you do get Tree'd, Dumped & Left on.. Sounds like a bad break up

Once the same guy passed me on the track then again on the return road ...does that count? :woot:

hell yeah, i got yelled at for passing people on the return road at Infinion....LOL alot. With the return road being turns 8,8a and 9....can you blame me. :D

You're one of "Those guys" aka Pit Passers lol. I've never raced at Infinion but back in the early 90's have pitted up by the Goodyear cross over bridge, YUP it's a road course I can't blame you

June has been kind of a quiet month for Norwood. I actually checked to make sure I didn't accidentally unsubscribe.

Do you have pics or details on what you did for your tunnel access to the shifter? I may have skimmed over it but I thought I would check in and bump the thread.
:cool:

Far from quiet! Kid's out of school, weddings, graduations, retail business, sold a bike, bought welding equipment, re-organizing garage space, landscape maintenance, etc. Haven't even had a chance to drive the car this month, whenever there was the time it was raining.

I reproduced a tunnel cover to similar to the first one. Console is out due to shifter location.

The engine builder appear too busy to get me a bid, so I backed off the motor plan. The new plan is to pull the existing motor to properly seal the *@$# leaking oil pan and install the AFR heads and Performer RPM Air Gap manifold and drive it. That should wake the motor up over the stock cast 2.02's and Torker II manifold enough to satisfy me this year.

Spent the new motor money on a TIG, MIG, and Plasma cutter which means I need to add a two more 250V 30-50 amp services in the garage this weekend. Then I'll start the TIG home school for dummies program. First project will be a larger layout/welding table. If all goes well I'll attempt to make a console out of .25" rod and light guage sheet metal with CUP Holders and maybe an AV panel. :D

come on Scott, its still waiting for you.....:D

Waving it in my face like a good Hooker. :yes:

ROFL.....hayyyyy :lol:

New tool added to the collection!

http://sieg.smugmug.com/Other/Weldin...IMG4142-XL.jpg

This 40 amp plasma cutter could be trouble in so many ways. :unibrow:

Set at 25 amps it cuts through 16 ga. about as fast as running a scoring line!

lets see new plasma, new welder and leather shoes... just what you need to make a nice fab table. :thumbsup:

In the words of Jim Carrey in Liar Liar - I've had better.......late night rides. :(

Pictures are worth a thousand words.......
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http://sieg.smugmug.com/Cars/69-Cama...MAG2665-XL.jpg

No, this wasn't close to big enough for an oil fire.......
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The perfect storm...... I've been making float adjustments to minimize braking induced stalling, had it pretty close last night. Tonight I made a quick 1/8 turn adjustment to front and rears, fired it and it was running rich, shut it down and noticed the front float appeared stuck. Losened the adjuster and rotated CCW & CW 1/4 turn fired it and it seemed ok. Headed down the road started smelling fuel, shut it down and had fuel building up in the manifold. Realized I'd accidentally left the adjusting wrench and screw driver on the work bench at home so I tapped the float bowl hard a few times with another screw driver hoping to free it and fired it up, hoping to get it home (1 mile) I hammered the throttle hard in first gear thinking it may clear any debrie in the needle seat and once the car straightened up from the drift I saw the dreaded orange glow in the cowl, shut it down grabbed the extingusher, depleated it, still burning grabbed a towel from the trunk and tried to smoother it and then realized I had a oil fueled fire also. Thankfully two different passer-byes pulled over, one with another larger towel since mine wasn't enough and another with a flat of bottled water, the three of us finally managed to get it out. :hail: Can't thank those people enough, it wouldn't have been pretty without their assistance.

At this time I'm not sure where the oil came from. Possibly (hopefully) a blown oil filter seal or lose filter. Definitely interested in locating the source. Looks like the short Oregon summer is over for this hot rod. :mad:

Irrational PS - Don't ask me how I feel about Barry Grant's Speed Demon carbs right now. I've fought that POS since day one and now this the final and expensive straw. I know, any 4150 can get debrie in the needle, but for some reason beating a dead horse makes me feel little better right now. ;)

Nightmare scenario when your car's on fire. I feel sorry for you dude...:(

That sucks. :(

I'm just glad you saved the car and didn't hurt yourself.

Thanks and appreciated Gentlemen.

Always entertaining to test your emergency response preparation.........I failed in the equipment department but am satisfied otherwise. Only a couple minor burns on the right hand/arm. Really makes me fear a house fire. :wow:

In the words of a 2-stroker ATV rider...........damn, it was running REAL hard right before it blew up. :rofl:

Wow Scott. So sorry. I have been thru that and when it's all happening right in front of you it's surreal eh? Glad you're ok and it was not worse. :mad:

OOOHHHH F*** NOOO!!!! man that sucks but yes it could have been worst.

Glad you kept a clear head and were able to minimize damage.
I'm so sorry that you had to at all.

Mine has been "in" two fires, but was not the source thankfully.

Keep us informed on the process of investigating...
dealing with it.

Wow, you are both lucky and unlucky, I hope it works out OK.

Greg

Wow Sorry that happen. Main thing is you're OK! The damage looks to be minimum and yes Demon carbs are junk.

Dave, Vince, Robert, Greg, and Jerry - Thanks guys. Just came back in from the garage........damn, it wasn't a bad dream. :(

Hopefully some will learn to be better prepared for a fire from this example. You can't have too big or too many extinguishers in situations like this. FWIW this was my first serious fire in 38 years of "tinkering" with cars or bikes.

The people in the two cars that pulled over and jumped into the fray most likely saved the car from being a total loss. Just one additional large towel to smother the fire made the difference. Can't thank them enough.

Wow.... When I saw the first pic I thought you'd blown the motor...



When fixing the seat in the Mustang -- the handle for the hard mounted extinguisher was under the seat... with a quick pull pin in it as well.... no way a guy could lean forward enough to get his arm under there - with driving gloves on and pull that pin and then pull the handle. Moved it up to the tranny hump right where I - or a track worker - could see it and pull it.

I have lots of spare parts -- let me know what you need... I also have 3 or 4 fairly decent spray guns -- like a Sata 4000 etc... :unibrow:

Still not sure if the motor didn't let go, didn't feel like it, hopefully it was just the filter gasket failing, but that may be wishful thinking.

Don't think it got the paint. One guy pulled over and told me I should close the hood. :rolleyes: He obviously doesn't know how expensive paint is. :D

Have any spare wiring harnesses? Trade ya a slightly used K&N filter and 650 Demon for one. :unibrow:

Demon carbs are only used to line the bottom of the garbage can....


Sometimes things like this happen and they just force you to take a break - then dig in and finally address all the little things that have needed attention for a long time....

That's how Rudy's "transformation" started out 16 months ago! He needed bushings in the A arms. HAHAHAHAHAHA

I finished his exhaust yesterday - will do a "string" suspension alignment today if I get to it... We'll put seats in on Saturday and maybe he'll take the SOB home Sunday. In the meantime I wrecked the Mustang - and broke that motor... It's all just "car stuff"... same crap we've been doing since we were 16 years old...:rofl: My parents always told me to "grow up"... but I've never be good at taking advice.

Wow Sieg, That sucks bud!! Hope your taking it better than me with my mishap. I'm miserable when my car is down.

Greg's right about the Demon carbs. They are junk. Pick up a used Holley and rebuild it. Preferably a 4 corner Idling circuit and screw in air bleeds.

Not real happy as in knot in the stomach type feeling.

I've not liked that carb from the beginning but had enough hours invested to where it was finally running decent so why shelve it when suspension, rear brakes, new intake, and installing Greg's old AFR's where on the top of the priority list.

I have to laugh though because I spent a fair amount of time surfing Quick Fuel's 650 SS BAN series carb the last few days. That $700 dollar carb looks pretty cheap right now. :rofl:

Annular boosters, air bleeds, mechanical linkage, jet extentions, notched floats, and 4 corner bleeds that actually work sound pretty good to me :D Hmmmmm, guess I've got a reason to get it now. http://www.quickfueltechnology.com/c...0-cfm-ban.html

While I'm on a roll........RPM Air Gap, MSD ignition, and throttle cable system too. :woot:

This hobby is expensive enough as it is. I would pick up a used Holley 750 HP. Holleys are super simple to rebuild and a 750 is a good base to go with as you can run them with higher or lower hp ranges and jet them accordingly. :yes:

Another thing to add, if you were running a single plane intake the 650 would be fine but the dual planes like bigger carbs.

invest a bit more in her, and get rid of the carb and get a Fast EZ efi unit.

Around $2K more is a big bit :D Don't get me wrong, the Fast EZ system really tempts me but I also like the nostalgic muscle car aspect of the carb. The fuel tank expense for FI is what tips the scale especially when the car's front suspension is still all old school.

Once I have an idea of what went wrong and why and estimate the damage expenses we'll see. The suggestion is a good one and appreciated. :thumbsup:

Sorry to hear Seig, glad you and the car made it out ok. That's some scary stuff for sure.

I like the no fluff look of the Holley better that's for sure. Since the car is used far more on the street than track you still think the 750 w/355 ci is the better way to go? The Performer RPM Air Gap appears to be "the versatile" manifold of choice by many though there are numerous manifolds better than my current Torker II.

What duration and lift on the cam? Which AFR's are you using?

Thank you :thumbsup:

The cam is a hydraulic unkown, no ID on the front end, Comp Magnum roller tip 1.52 rockers. One knoweldgable long-time builder said it sounded and felt similar to the GM "Duntov" pattern and they (GM) made a similar patterned cam in a hydraulic version. It likes(d) to idle around 950-1000, best obtainable vacuum at idle is 10.5-11". It likes to start pulling at 2,500-2,800 starts pulling good around 3500-3800 and at 5500 it feels like the intake impedes progress. :)

AFR's are older 190's w/ 2.00 int. Not sure on the exact cc's as they appear to be 72's that have been surfaced.

Lot's of unknowns but not for long.

Good news is State Farm is covering it, now I need to clarifiy the rules of the game. The agent is a long-time local and friend which should help. :thumbsup:

AFR heads typically flow better out of the box then any other head. Not sure which ones you are using but with a 2.00 intake valve I would stick with 650. If you are currently running flat top pistons the 72 cc chamber size is going to drop your compression. Typically with flat top pistons and 64 cc combustion chambers you will get about 10.5:1 compression. If you are going to use those heads it's time for some pop ups.

I dont know what heads were on it before but it is possible they could have impeded your rpm range. I know typically advertised range for a cam that starts pulling at 2500 should take you to 6500 but without specifics on the cam its a tough call. If it were me I'd buy another cam just so I knew what I had.

The ID #'s for the cam could be on the back of the cam

No need to buy another cam -- they can measure the one that he has.... and tell him exactly what he has.

Also -- I have tools that can measure lift... and you could make a pretty good stab at what it is using a degree wheel and cam follower and dial indicator...

The heads were on my 408 motor and work GREAT -- they've been ported... and I spent almost a grand having them gone through AFTER I took them off the motor...

It would be very important to match the valve springs to the cam... and depending on clearances - maybe go to the 1.6 rocker arms.