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garickman 02-08-2014 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricochet (Post 535003)
Beautiful!! The intake is slick! Where do you get those radiator hose clamps?

Thanks in advance!

Brent, check post #55 on page 6 of this thread.

GregWeld 02-08-2014 11:54 AM

Sometimes "less" is "more"..... I'd vote for mounting the rails on the inside so as not to distract from the best million dollar intake in the Universe!


Love ya AL!


GW

Ron in SoCal 02-08-2014 12:03 PM

Greg wouldn't that require removal of the intake just to get to the injectors? Of course, if it's just a showcar then who cares : D

GregWeld 02-08-2014 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 535011)
Greg wouldn't that require removal of the intake just to get to the injectors? Of course, if it's just a showcar then who cares : D



How many times anyone on here had to mess with their injectors....


I've had EFI cars for years now -- never had to mess with 'em after the build was done and tuned.

Ron in SoCal 02-08-2014 12:08 PM

Good point. During my build I've messed with them 5x. Fun :P

GregWeld 02-08-2014 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 535013)
Good point. During my build I've messed with them 5x. Fun :P

Well yours are 10 years old and haven't been run - most of us put a motor in - fire it off and go driving.


:>)

Ricochet 02-08-2014 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garickman (Post 535006)
Brent, check post #55 on page 6 of this thread.

Thanks Greg! Looks like they are the "Turbo" style clamps? Didn't relaize they are still screw style clamps like the normal one style clamps.

U-turn 02-09-2014 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 535025)
Well yours are 10 years old and haven't been run - most of us put a motor in - fire it off and go driving.


:>)


Oh snap!

waynieZ 02-09-2014 01:02 PM

Awesome looking intake. I like them on the inside too but outside won't detract anything.

Bowtieracing 02-11-2014 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waynieZ (Post 535219)
Awesome looking intake. I like them on the inside too but outside won't detract anything.


It is! Is there any info what kind of low speed / street manner it has? Can it be used with stock cam ?

robbie9999 02-12-2014 08:15 AM

Ls3 engine
 
This is mental !!!!! I am finishing my 66 GTO protour wth Ls3 and people are prasing me. Fack my car ! You guys have depressed me massively, I want to stab myself in the neck ..lol

Please Nathan, anyway you can post a simple step by step (highlevel)
of how you did the motor and paint, I have gone through the forum. But something consolidated for "numpties" like me would be extremely grateful.

I am pulling my motor in November and doing the exact same, imitation is the greatest form of flattery ..

Please email me steps to my gmail please or post for the engine, just want the esthics part, the paint codes ? the sanding required ? all the paints used on the headers and rest, have 430 to wheel 515 at crank, happy with that. ([email protected])

Link to my weak build compared to yours ! Lovely work man !!!!!!

http://www.pro-touring.com/threads/9...gto+hell+beast

PS - how much horse and torque you have in that LS3 ?

Robbie

GrabberGT 02-13-2014 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robbie9999 (Post 535856)
....
Please email me steps to my gmail please or post for the engine, just want the esthics part, the paint codes ? the sanding required ?

Robbie

Good question.... I thought I would smooth out my intake while I had the motor out and cant seem to figure out how to gen in all the cracks even using the sandpaper cones.

Al Moreno 02-13-2014 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowtieracing (Post 535576)
It is! Is there any info what kind of low speed / street manner it has? Can it be used with stock cam ?

I'll see if Jamie (Owner of OZMO) can jump in and give some feedback.

Quote:

Originally Posted by robbie9999 (Post 535856)
This is mental !!!!! I am finishing my 66 GTO protour wth Ls3 and people are prasing me. Fack my car ! You guys have depressed me massively, I want to stab myself in the neck ..lol

Please Nathan, anyway you can post a simple step by step (highlevel)
of how you did the motor and paint, I have gone through the forum. But something consolidated for "numpties" like me would be extremely grateful.

I am pulling my motor in November and doing the exact same, imitation is the greatest form of flattery ..

Please email me steps to my gmail please or post for the engine, just want the esthics part, the paint codes ? the sanding required ? all the paints used on the headers and rest, have 430 to wheel 515 at crank, happy with that. ([email protected])

Link to my weak build compared to yours ! Lovely work man !!!!!!

http://www.pro-touring.com/threads/9...gto+hell+beast

PS - how much horse and torque you have in that LS3 ?

Robbie

Robbie thanks for the props, we haven't dyno it yet but are hoping for 600 range on HP.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrabberGT (Post 536121)
Good question.... I thought I would smooth out my intake while I had the motor out and cant seem to figure out how to gen in all the cracks even using the sandpaper cones.

Nathan has done a complete how to in another forum. Here is the link: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188393

Jamie sent me some pics of a first gen that has the same intake but with the shorter runners.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...psad4c90e3.png

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...pseb2038ef.png

Should be interesting to see how the longer runners will look.

OZMO 02-14-2014 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowtieracing (Post 535576)
It is! Is there any info what kind of low speed / street manner it has? Can it be used with stock cam ?

Al asked if I could respond to this question regarding the intake manifold: We designed this intake primarily for street guys who want good midrange torque, whilst still maintaining high flow for high HP.

Anytime you make a change to the heads or intake, a custom cam should be specified for maximum performance. That said, the runner length on this intake is only about 1" shorter than a stock GM LS7 manifold and will work well on a stock cam.

Regards,
Jamie

robbie9999 02-15-2014 11:25 AM

Ls3
 
Where are the valve covers from please and how much ?

robbie9999 02-15-2014 12:45 PM

Ls3
 
Where are the valve covers from please and how much ?

Bowtieracing 02-15-2014 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OZMO (Post 536419)
Al asked if I could respond to this question regarding the intake manifold: We designed this intake primarily for street guys who want good midrange torque, whilst still maintaining high flow for high HP.

Anytime you make a change to the heads or intake, a custom cam should be specified for maximum performance. That said, the runner length on this intake is only about 1" shorter than a stock GM LS7 manifold and will work well on a stock cam.

Regards,
Jamie


Thanks guys, i personally prefer oem looks on many LS parts but this manifold tops it all. After i have my car dialed up, this is next mod.

tubbed69 02-16-2014 05:45 AM

Here is a link in parts where Jay @ABS had a set and may still havehttps://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=43887

Al Moreno 02-16-2014 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robbie9999 (Post 536592)
Where are the valve covers from please and how much ?

Here you go. http://store.katechengines.com/carbo...vers-p173.aspx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowtieracing (Post 536667)
Thanks guys, i personally prefer oem looks on many LS parts but this manifold tops it all. After i have my car dialed up, this is next mod.

Nice!

69camarorsssls 02-19-2014 08:46 PM

Very sweet! Hope mine looks half as nice!!! Share pics of the car as well.

Al Moreno 02-22-2014 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69camarorsssls (Post 537561)
Very sweet! Hope mine looks half as nice!!! Share pics of the car as well.

Thanks, to be honest, mostly just sweet equity and attention to details going on here. There's some pics of the car in the thread.

Speaking of details......

The plastic factory PS tank wasn't in keeping with the rest of the project so a CV kit was ordered.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...ps07722170.png

The kit brings two sets of bracket to giving different mounting options. Unfortunately neither of the two brackets worked with the fifth gen setup.

So it was decided to mount the tank remotely. Unfortunately again the piece the tank mounts to was to short to mount it to the shock tower. So it had to be extended.

My buddy at HM Racing and Design milled a piece to weld onto the CV piece.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...psc1aa3681.jpg

The two pieces were then welded together. The back side was given an angle cut to match the slope of the shock tower. Holes were drilled at the same angle as the shock tower so that the bolts would sit flush to the sheet metal.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...psa2c57776.jpg

Finally the boys smooth it out so it would like look like it came that way from CV.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...psbc70ff99.jpg

And finally the almost finished product.Still need to get anodized.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...psd95220be.jpg

Lot of work went into making something look so simple. What I covered was just the high lights.

waynieZ 02-22-2014 10:30 PM

Al;That looks great as always! How much does that cup hold?

Bowtieracing 02-23-2014 02:15 AM

Unreal.. Al , this is best ever. Keep us updated please.

Rick D 02-23-2014 04:59 AM

Al I've said it before and will say it again unbelievable work your boys have put into this car or rolling art I should say!! I really can't wait to see it in person!!

groovyjay 02-23-2014 05:05 AM

Someone has pretty good photoshop skills, because this can't be real... :confused59:

In all honesty This build is freaking unreal!

Al Moreno 03-02-2014 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waynieZ (Post 538217)
Al;That looks great as always! How much does that cup hold?

Wayne, thats a good questions. I haven't checked. Maybe Cris can chime in since he machined some for Blu Balz.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowtieracing (Post 538224)
Unreal.. Al , this is best ever. Keep us updated please.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick D (Post 538227)
Al I've said it before and will say it again unbelievable work your boys have put into this car or rolling art I should say!! I really can't wait to see it in person!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by groovyjay (Post 538229)
Someone has pretty good photoshop skills, because this can't be real... :confused59:

In all honesty This build is freaking unreal!

Thanks guys, should make for a fun ride when shes done.

The stamped factory rear cradle is being replace with a custom chrome-moly tubular deal.

Here are a couple of pics of the jig being fabricated. Should drop another 60 - 70 lbs.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...ps46c6d9eb.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...psaff16a07.jpg

aggie91 05-29-2014 08:02 AM

Update?

Its been a couple of months, what have the boys been up to?

waynieZ 05-29-2014 04:32 PM

I'm interested too Al.

Al Moreno 06-07-2014 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggie91 (Post 553109)
Update?

Its been a couple of months, what have the boys been up to?

Quote:

Originally Posted by waynieZ (Post 553191)
I'm interested too Al.

Thanks guys for the interest! The boys have been busy! Both Nathan and Justin are taking the summer off from UCSD to get the car finished.

Justin flew to Wisconsin Wednesday and will be there for two weeks. He is helping Craig at Xtreme get the rear cradle done. Here are couple of pictures of the rear frame rails being mockup up.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...psc0db9a86.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6a4cffc5.jpg

The new OZMO and NW TB are in. Jamie (Owner) said it's his favorite intake. The boys are still giving it their touch". Some guys can't leave well enough alone, LOL. Jamie is also milling a billet valley plate. Should be here in a week or so.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...ps317168b1.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...psc31146d8.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...psd8d0af17.jpg

The lines on the reservoir were replaced with crimped end for a cleaner look. (See the pictures on the top of the page to compare the difference)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5324d81e.jpg

One of the implication with the new intake is the TB now sits higher and further forward. This created to steep of an angle downward from the TB to the air intake for the shorter distance. The solution is to push engine back 2" and lower it 1". The domino effect is that the radiator hose, motor mounts, trans mount, exhuast cross bracing, drive shaft will need to be modified. Currently the headers are the lowest point under the car. They sit about an 1.5" below the frame rail. To compensate for the engine drop a new set custom one off headers and exhuast setup is also part of the plan. When done the frame rails will be the lowest point.

Seems like a lot of work but the added benefit will be the transfer of weight. Craig explained as a rule of thumb in racing every inch takes 100 lbs off front It might actually just be 75 lbs but 100 lbs is the rule of thumb. Lowering the center of gravity which should help.

Still waiting on a few parts to start on version 2.0 of the track inspired engine. Drive sump pan, pump and dampener are in. Just waiting on the new track inspired cam and TD rockers. The Lingenfelter LS3 heads might also get replaced with Trick Flow new casting. Pat G likes them better the the Mast.



Bill Dailey recommended to use two separate inline filter. A 75 micron from the pump to the tank. A 25 micron from the cooler to the engine. Justin design on Auto-CAD these cool clamps to mount one on each frame rail. The brackets follow the contour of the rails and the filters appear to be siting on the top of the actual rails.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...psdc0fcf29.png

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...ps116623a9.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1904f1d9.jpg

Lastly, Dan is finishing up the rendering. Hopefully he will have them done tomorrow. In my opinion the primarily one he showed us is perfect as is but being the perfectionist his is, he wanted to tweak them some more. I will post picks when we get the final product. Just expect to be blown away!




.

214Chevy 06-07-2014 10:42 PM

:king: :king: :king: :king:

(speechless and don't really know what to say so I just posted "king" emoticon four times."

Rick D 06-08-2014 05:32 AM

Wow Al just WOW!!!! That's all I got!!! Well and I love it!!!

GregWeld 06-08-2014 06:43 AM

What a fantastic project Al... You have to be like the greatest Father in the entire Universe!

Amazing work and attention to detail.

John510 06-08-2014 08:24 AM

Art. Pure art. I want an engine like that so I can encase it in glass and use it as a centerpiece in my living room.

glassman 06-08-2014 08:26 AM

Amazing detail as usual. Just loooks soooo right!!!

Are you powder coating these parts or anodizing them? if powder, what color is that?

thanx, mike

Ron in SoCal 06-08-2014 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Moreno (Post 554953)
Just expect to be blown away!
.

Redundant, in a good way Al :D

Vince@Meanstreets 06-08-2014 11:36 AM

nice work you guys!!

Che70velle 06-08-2014 12:03 PM

So, this car will actually be raced? Did I read that correctly?
This would be an award winning trailer queen in anybody's book, and never get driven, let alone raced!
The work put into this car is second to no one else's! This is top tier ISCA stuff!

Al Moreno 06-09-2014 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 214Chevelle (Post 554954)
:king: :king: :king: :king:

(speechless and don't really know what to say so I just posted "king" emoticon four times."


Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick D (Post 554959)
Wow Al just WOW!!!! That's all I got!!! Well and I love it!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by John510 (Post 554977)
Art. Pure art. I want an engine like that so I can encase it in glass and use it as a centerpiece in my living room.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 554979)
Redundant, in a good way Al :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 555004)
nice work you guys!!

Thanks Guys!

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 554965)
What a fantastic project Al... You have to be like the greatest Father in the entire Universe!

Amazing work and attention to detail.

Thanks G, I can always count on you for a laugh.


Quote:

Originally Posted by glassman (Post 554978)
Amazing detail as usual. Just loooks soooo right!!!

Are you powder coating these parts or anodizing them? if powder, what color is that?

thanx, mike

Mike theres a little bit of everything going on, some anodizing, some powder, some paint.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Che70velle (Post 555007)
So, this car will actually be raced? Did I read that correctly?
This would be an award winning trailer queen in anybody's book, and never get driven, let alone raced!
The work put into this car is second to no one else's! This is top tier ISCA stuff!

That's a great compliment but yes, Cris from JCG is actually going to help tune the car as hes the hot shoe in the area.

Mark said this pluming stuff is like an art in and of itself and hes not kidding. It takes as much thought as just about anything else.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...psdeca1afb.jpg

I chomping at the bit to post the rendering from Dan but he wants to do a few final changes. The car looks more like something that was done by a European tuner. You'll see what I mean as soon we get the final version.

syborg tt 06-09-2014 08:40 AM

Incredible looking and I can't wait to see the rendering.

So what will be the final color of the outside of the car ?

Musclerodz 06-09-2014 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Moreno (Post 555164)
Thanks Guys!



Thanks G, I can always count on you for a laugh.




Mike theres a little bit of everything going on, some anodizing, some powder, some paint.



That's a great compliment but yes, Cris from JCG is actually going to help tune the car as hes the hot shoe in the area.

Mark said this pluming stuff is like an art in and of itself and hes not kidding. It takes as much thought as just about anything else.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...psdeca1afb.jpg

I chomping at the bit to post the rendering from Dan but he wants to do a few final changes. The car looks more like something that was done by a European tuner. You'll see what I mean as soon we get the final version.

i love this photo. perfect balance of color, finish, and texture.


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