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ra11eysport 09-24-2016 07:33 AM

Amazingly enough if you want to run a 10in rim with 275's this system is not for you. Atleast, thats my experience with it anyway.

On my 67 i would of had to roll the fender, modify the inner fender just to make turn in it. And thats with a 9.5 275 wheel with 5.5bs.

With an after market subframe i can run a 9.5rim 6.8bs 275 wheel with and lock to lock with no rubbing, and no inner fender work. The oem frame is strong but it has its limitations with big tires. IMO, i think it was a mistake for Ridetech to make that claim. I waisted 1k on the system!

Im not bashing them just is what it is!

glr0212 09-26-2016 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinker (Post 646021)

When I first read this thread I thought about chiming in and didn't. I wanted to state to other members that we should all be grateful for the countless aftermarket companies trying to fill our needs. Most of us here are trying to fit the biggest baddest parts into places never originally intended. It truly is amazing that one can buy a part that generally will fit within fractions of an inch into a car that is 40+ years old. I have owned my car for 27+ years now, and when I first owned it, you couldn't buy hardly anything.

Anyways, in a nutshell, with a Pontiac motor- no go. I hopes this helps someone.

I appreciate the feedback. I'm sure others do as well. There is a lot of conjecture and bloviating that goes on with things like this by people who have no actual experience installing the system or driving the system. You have obviously installed it and its good to have some detailed feed back.

I did not try and bash ridetech. I only wanted to show people what was going on with my setup and see what others had done. I was hoping people who actually drove this system would give some feedback.

glr0212 10-12-2017 11:55 AM

With the detroit speed subframe -

Haven't driven it much or very hard yet but haven't noticed any rubbing yet.

https://i.imgur.com/o3wuW18.jpg

jlwdvm 10-23-2017 11:54 AM

I had to slightly modify my inner fender and roll the outer lip...slightly;)

http://www.pro-touring.com/threads/1...r-build/page12

BigBronco 06-05-2020 10:19 AM

Hate to bump this thing but what a roller coaster of a thread.

I have ATX Billet spindles, Speedtech Control arms and in the box is a set of C6 z06 brakes with Kore 3 brackets.

I ordered a Tru-Turn so when that arrives on Monday, I hope to install and start taking some measurements to get some wheels sized up. LS fest is only a few months away now. :catfight:

Hopefully this works out :bump:

glr0212 06-05-2020 12:47 PM

Good luck bronco. Be prepared to massage fenders or rehoop your wheels

BigBronco 06-10-2020 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glr0212 (Post 704093)
Good luck bronco. Be prepared to massage fenders or rehoop your wheels

Thanks man. Have not ordered wheels yet and had been putting it off till the parts came in.

Now to get my Wife's firebird off the lift so I can get my car up and get it all measured.

cwylie 07-21-2020 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBronco (Post 704199)
Thanks man. Have not ordered wheels yet and had been putting it off till the parts came in.

Now to get my Wife's firebird off the lift so I can get my car up and get it all measured.

BigBronco - You went to UT and had a 4th gen F-body right? I think you and I went to the track once like 15 years ago and used to play Halo on Xbox if I remember correctly.

69Toronto 08-31-2020 03:27 AM

Hoping someone can chime in on TruTurn in 2020
I have a stock subframe, global west upper and lowers
stock spindle, AGR ps box, QA1 coilovers, 18x8.5 rushforths and 245 40 18s on it

i bought the car with all adjustments maxed out to make the car as low as possible....it rides like crap, rubs when i crank the wheel in both directions.
control arms basically on the bump stops

switching things around now...my goal is to just get the car as low as possible where everything is performing correctly and be able to make a proper 3 point turn or a U turn like a normal person lol


i like to lowered stance but realize the car will have to go up

Im hoping to add some global west shorter subframe bushings
replace the 350lbs springs with something stiffer

I am thinking of adding drop spindles, but then read about the TRUTURN

Im not looking to run a 275 tire...I just want to get the lowered stance and be able to turn on a 245 tire


is truturn what i need here or can I just but some drop spindles and call it a day?

thank you...Bob

camcojb 08-31-2020 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69Toronto (Post 706096)
Hoping someone can chime in on TruTurn in 2020
I have a stock subframe, global west upper and lowers
stock spindle, AGR ps box, QA1 coilovers, 18x8.5 rushforths and 245 40 18s on it

i bought the car with all adjustments maxed out to make the car as low as possible....it rides like crap, rubs when i crank the wheel in both directions.
control arms basically on the bump stops

switching things around now...my goal is to just get the car as low as possible where everything is performing correctly and be able to make a proper 3 point turn or a U turn like a normal person lol


i like to lowered stance but realize the car will have to go up

Im hoping to add some global west shorter subframe bushings
replace the 350lbs springs with something stiffer

I am thinking of adding drop spindles, but then read about the TRUTURN

Im not looking to run a 275 tire...I just want to get the lowered stance and be able to turn on a 245 tire


is truturn what i need here or can I just but some drop spindles and call it a day?

thank you...Bob

My buddy just put one on his 69 Nova, which is the same kit as the 67-69 Camaro. It's a big block car which can have fitment issues on it's own if the frame stands and mounts aren't correct. But in his case he could not get it to clear the headers (tried Hooker and custom Lemons headers). The shop called Ridetech and they told them headers wouldn't work with that system.

I know the install pics show headers but I believe it's an LS swap car. I would call and verify from Ridetech first if that will be an issue with what you're doing. Other than that the shop doing the work had installed these before on other cars (not first gens) and liked the system and had no fit issues.

69Toronto 08-31-2020 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camcojb (Post 706100)
My buddy just put one on his 69 Nova, which is the same kit as the 67-69 Camaro. It's a big block car which can have fitment issues on it's own if the frame stands and mounts aren't correct. But in his case he could not get it to clear the headers (tried Hooker and custom Lemons headers). The shop called Ridetech and they told them headers wouldn't work with that system.

I know the install pics show headers but I believe it's an LS swap car. I would call and verify from Ridetech first if that will be an issue with what you're doing. Other than that the shop doing the work had installed these before on other cars (not first gens) and liked the system and had no fit issues.

i should have mentioned I have a set of Doug's headers on a sbc they are not traditional long tubes more like 4 to 2 to collector type of thing...would almost call them midlength?

Matt@BOS 08-31-2020 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69Toronto (Post 706096)
Hoping someone can chime in on TruTurn in 2020
I have a stock subframe, global west upper and lowers
stock spindle, AGR ps box, QA1 coilovers, 18x8.5 rushforths and 245 40 18s on it

i bought the car with all adjustments maxed out to make the car as low as possible....it rides like crap, rubs when i crank the wheel in both directions.
control arms basically on the bump stops

switching things around now...my goal is to just get the car as low as possible where everything is performing correctly and be able to make a proper 3 point turn or a U turn like a normal person lol


i like to lowered stance but realize the car will have to go up

Im hoping to add some global west shorter subframe bushings
replace the 350lbs springs with something stiffer

I am thinking of adding drop spindles, but then read about the TRUTURN

Im not looking to run a 275 tire...I just want to get the lowered stance and be able to turn on a 245 tire


is truturn what i need here or can I just but some drop spindles and call it a day?

thank you...Bob

The Tru Turn was designed to be able to get the steering arm higher on the spindle so that you can run more backspace as the wheel will fit over the steering arm instead of hitting it. That does no sound like something you need.

The two main obstacles you encounter when lowering a car are suspension travel and steering angle/wheel size before something hits. The suspension travel can be fixed with a drop spindle. The steering angle and wheel size both come down to how much physical space you have before the wheel hits the fender or inner fender, and the only way to fix that is to get smaller wheels, or clearance the sheetmetal to allow for more room!

Hope that's at least a little bit helpful!

69Toronto 09-01-2020 03:52 AM

decided to try cutting the top hats off and make the car a true coil over car while at the same time extending shock travel
also going to add lower subframe bushings

also need to rebuild a QA1 already....1800 miles...hopefully that tucks the top of the tire and allows my to make a 3 point instead of a 76 point turn

dhutton 09-01-2020 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69Toronto (Post 706115)
decided to try cutting the top hats off and make the car a true coil over car while at the same time extending shock travel
also going to add lower subframe bushings

also need to rebuild a QA1 already....1800 miles...hopefully that tucks the top of the tire and allows my to make a 3 point instead of a 76 point turn

You may put your steering column rag joint into bind with lower subframe bushings.

I’m not seeing how either of those changes will gain you improved turning radius.

Don

BigBronco 09-01-2020 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cwylie (Post 705165)
BigBronco - You went to UT and had a 4th gen F-body right? I think you and I went to the track once like 15 years ago and used to play Halo on Xbox if I remember correctly.

A blast from the past but yep. Use to be on TRS and what not. Did not have a 4th gen though but was with all of the 4th gen crowd/ls1tech, etc.

Long time man!

69Toronto 09-02-2020 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dhutton (Post 706117)
You may put your steering column rag joint into bind with lower subframe bushings.

I’m not seeing how either of those changes will gain you improved turning radius.

Don

ive been told about loosening the rag joint.....AGR steering box needs to come out.
Turning ability should increase when I raise the car an inch or so....(I hope) fender lips also getting massaged. The coilover mod Im doing is to better the ride quality
any suggestions on what else I should be doing?

dhutton 09-02-2020 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69Toronto (Post 706145)
ive been told about loosening the rag joint.....AGR steering box needs to come out.
Turning ability should increase when I raise the car an inch or so....(I hope) fender lips also getting massaged. The coilover mod Im doing is to better the ride quality
any suggestions on what else I should be doing?

I think you will lose some of the gain when you install the half height bushings.

Anvil wide inner fenders would help quite a bit. Or have your stock inners modified.

Are you hitting the sway bar? A splined bar may gain some clearance.

Post up a pic of your ride height.

Don

69Toronto 09-04-2020 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dhutton (Post 706151)
I think you will lose some of the gain when you install the half height bushings.

Anvil wide inner fenders would help quite a bit. Or have your stock inners modified.

Are you hitting the sway bar? A splined bar may gain some clearance.

Post up a pic of your ride height.

Don

The car only rubs on the outside fender lip
I measured the ride height
22 3/4" front 23 3/4" rear......

yes I know how ridiculous that height is....lol

dhutton 09-04-2020 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69Toronto (Post 706195)
The car only rubs on the outside fender lip
I measured the ride height
22 3/4" front 23 3/4" rear......

yes I know how ridiculous that height is....lol

Increasing negative camber can help a little. What are your alignment settings?

Don

glr0212 03-09-2021 01:27 PM

Just checking in on this 6 year old thread. I wonder if ridetech's president still hates me....

dhutton 03-09-2021 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glr0212 (Post 711033)
Just checking in on this 6 year old thread. I wonder if ridetech's president still hates me....

He sold his company so I’m guessing he doesn’t care anymore :D

Don

glr0212 03-09-2021 04:42 PM

Haha, let's hope not!


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