I read it. This was supposed to be different. He's quoted in this thread saying he would build this as if it were his own... anyhow, that's it, it's over, we're over the river and through the woods.

My head's up, I am moving on. My kids still love the project, so we're motoring ahead. There's nothing I can't fix.

sorry to hear about your troubles. glad i crossed his parts off my list a long time ago.

unfortunately this happens all to often in the industry

We should let this sore subject die in the feedback section and let JJ move forward.

Hey JJ were you taking the car now to get the work done?

Thanks. I'd prefer to let it all die. The cards will fall where they will, with the law.

We're doing it. I own a shop that does auto restoration. Granted, we do mostly classic Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini but make an exception now and then. My father started it in 1968. We have cars with every major collector out there.

The pic on the lift is at my shop, with Roger my shop foremen.

You can see a lot of my shop in my shop truck thread. We have interior (clean) bays, 4 down draft paint booths with heat, etc.

I took it to two other shops for the estimates, just to document everything.

I've finally learned, there are few people that will do it right. I am one and I have a few of those folks in my employ. They just don't do Camaros that handle, accelerate or brake. :Tomcat: Looks like I have to dip my fingers into that market, or at least my car.

Glad to hear it's going to work out with your guys John. The hard parts are done you just need to put it all back together. Camaros are easier than them Jags. :trophy-1302:

Come back over the top!!!!
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/pro...-chevy-camaro/

Going there. The quarters are coming off, to do what should have been done.

How much are you stretching the rear quarters? I love second gens with the quarters done.

I have to asses the level of damage first. Then figure out rear suspension so the sway doesn't hit the shock. Then match up the rim/tire combo.

Probably about 2" each side.

Get the suspension to where it needs to be....Optimized.
Then get the wheels and tires where you want them. Lip size etc.

Then fit the body to the Wheels/tires.

good luck JJ!!!

Gee, really? :headscratch: That's how it should be done, eh?

:)

just sayin :slingshot: haaa haaa

since you got the quarter on there wrong. :innocent:

Yah, yah, it will be done the right way, the way it should've been done last time. :)

*Gasp* we'll even brace it before taking the structural members apart.

How about with something like these?

375/20ZR21 Pirelli P Zero NERO - for the the rear (although thinking about the front too. The other one's currently flying around the country with UPS.

295/30ZR20 Pirelli P Zero XL - for the front.


They will go on the Forgelines... for this car or the Z07... or both.

daaaaayummmmmmmmmm :hairpullout:


As soon as you get the wheels back from the coaters I have to get the specs to Mark Schetter please. https://lateral-g.net/forums/member.php4?u=18817

Wayne PM'd me today about this build.

It's progressing... Carefully measuring everything, badly installed stuff being cut off, stuff off the powder coating... stuff on pallets on the way to me... like Carbon fiber goodness.

Now if anvil would call me back, I'd get the inner and outer fenders going.

The pallet pic is the hood, trunk lid and filler panel. Rear spoiler's on it's way, too.

Thanks Ron and Marty! :)

hold on....you know what you need?


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-1973-Fi...-/390377878353


they have a bigger bulge....

How much, do you know?

I'm confused --- which car of yours did Scott Mock AKA Coolwelder62 completely screw up??? I read with extreme disappointment -- your post -- with pics included ... about the piss poor work done on your car. I've not seen such poor welding in a long time except from some complete newbs. WOW. I'd grind 'em all out and start over.

Ah never mind -- -- I scrolled back and saw and read the posts. Should have done that before my other post. But on the other hand - it (the post) bump TTT (refreshes) the "don't go there!!".

It's the passenger quarter on this car in this thread. As far as I can tell, he didn't brace anything when he cut the car apart. It looks like the roof slipped down and instead of pushing the roof back, he cut the lip off the outer wheel tub and boogered/burned through it on the lower corners, but no welds any where else. The funny thing, he sent me pictures of something else... once I knew to look there (it's not the focus of the shot), I could see this work in that pic by blowing it up. I didn't see it at the time, so no view of work until I could actually pull the IRS down and see what happened. Those pics were sent in Dec... I picked the car up months later.

I will brace it and cut it out, as soon as an event happens. As I said, it's the quarter and a bunch of small things, that can all be corrected, but should not have to be for the money/time spent. The funny thing is, the driver's side quarter is perfect so I know he knows how it needed to be done right.

There are other things, I think - Like doing the quarters before the IRS. I would've installed the IRS first, considering that either the IRS needed to be narrowed (correctly) or it needed to be wide bodied via the quarters/wheel tubs he installed. All four Ride Tech coils are destroyed by rubbing on control arms and sway bars he installed. Rims he specified hit the shocks he installed.

When I sent him the DSE adjustable links, he contacted DSE who told him he could narrow it 1.25" a side by turning the link all the way in. That is also what they told me and why I sent them. He turned an additional .75" off the links, which according to his friends at DSE is dangerous. I thought he knew what he was doing (a professional) so I gave the go ahead to narrowing. He didn't tell me what DSE said, as the "Professional" I would have called my customer and said the manufacturer doesn't support what you want me to do, you sure you want me to do this? Instead, I came back to cut parts and full liability, with him telling me I said it was ok. I accept that, as I wasn't clear. Still cost another $2400.00. So we're back out with all new manufacturer blessed parts... bought new GM upper control arms to replace the cut and welded upper he did and all new DSE links.

As he said, it will all "take some tuning", but this car was supposed to be ready for paint and racing this season. As his son said to me on Facebook, this is hot rodding. Funny thing, I don't call 25K in parts and labor hot rodding... Always thought that an installation was supposed to work within the system it was installed in. Like the quarters or the IRS.

1 step forward, 6 steps back.

So far, he's radio silent (on all the forums we're both on) and kept the $1K due to me for the motor/trans/sub frame he told me he sold.

Anyhow, other than a certain event, this is all behind me. It will get done right. I wanted to jettison the project, but my kids like it too much. I am happy to answer any questions, but I am not thinking about how/why he did what he did, just that I need to fix it and build an awesome racer.

Sorry, I missed this while typing my wall of text.

Back to the build:

Anyone know how much the TA quarters bubble out?

i'll get you a picture after lunch. not only does it bulge out it has a nice roll at the top to blend in with the camaro quarter.

and I can probably use factory flares to get better tire coverage.

I have to admit, I like this:

http://image.hotrod.com/f/18879307+w...3_firebird.jpg

The quarter lip is actually the same as far as distance from the peak, the opening is also higher. But the bulge above the wheel arch is bigger.

Sounds like not a lot of gain, if I understand you correctly?

Edit to add: Maybe some measurements I could compare to mine, please?

It can be depending on how you go about it. You can add up to 2" of extra room with placement.

I edited my post, Vince. Can you pull some measurements on the 2" from some common point, like the body crease?

sorry, I got super busy after lunch and no way im going in tomorrow. my wife at me :snapout: :lol:

I have a FB partial quarter, i'll mock it up to give you an idea.


Vince

No need to be sorry, you're doing me the favor :).

And I am not doing anything work related on Mother's Day, either. My wife will skin me alive.

Thanks, the pics will help quite a bit.

Can anyone guess the weight savings of Anvil carbon fiber fenders, inner fenders, hood, trunk, trunk filler panel and 1 piece rear spoiler?

Also looking at a carbon fiber nose and full bumpers.

My Firebird/ Trans am is 74" wide from the outside of the flares in the center of the wheel opening. I have stock dented quarter panels but I stretched the flares 1" on each side.

I posted pictures on my build thread.https://lateral-g.net/forums/show...t=48439&page=2

You could easily do something similar and modify the trans am flares to fit the Camaro if that is the look you want.

Thanks man.

I think we're doing this:

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/pro...-chevy-camaro/

Just have to get the time. Have a few other projects going, like finishing up the Black GMC 1500 and a Cummins K5 then I can focus on this.

I like that build but the wheels are too far inside for my taste. I like them out as far as possible.

Well, you know I can adjust the rears ... out :)

The front's getting Anvil fenders. They're on the way.

nice!! :clap:

so.....what does the car look like today?

The same. Waiting for a event, than cutting it apart.

Wow what a build, sucks about the setbacks. Can't wait to see it done though! I'm partial to second gens myself...

Have you already ordered the Anvil stuff? Seems it's highly unpredictable on when it will show up. Waiting on a hood/spoiler myself, no idea when it will come. Not sure if it helps that I went through classic w/ a 25% off sale haha.

cant wait to see this build done!

Yes, I have all the Anvil stuff in house already. I bought some stuff through a vendor that stocked a bit and made sure I ordered all the stuff that was already in house.

Otherwise, it takes a while to make them and ship them here. They do great quality control, so some of the delay is them not shipping you the one crappy hood in the style you ordered they got from overseas.