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69x22 05-22-2014 11:51 PM

Love the car! Absolute beautiful place you have there. Trees, grass, shop, house and all.:thumbsup:

coachwinbush 05-23-2014 03:28 AM

mark can you tell me the advantages of your rear end

Stielow 05-23-2014 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coachwinbush (Post 552079)
mark can you tell me the advantages of your rear end

Sorry this will be a bit long so bear with me.

I wanted to add ABS to Red Devil when I built it. The first thing you need for ABS is good wheel speed sensors. I planned on using the DSE front sub frame so front wheel speed sensors were easy. DSE uses C-6 Corvette knuckles with bolt in C-6 hubs with built in wheel speed sensors. On Red Devil I started out with the DSE C-6 bearing in the front and a cobbled Mustang style Currie Tone ring set up in the back. Currie made this set up with the “Big Bearing” style axles and I modified all of it to work. See attached photo.


http://rs439.pbsrc.com/albums/qq118/...2965a.jpg~c200

The tone wheel set up would work for low speed stuff but would drop out under high speeds and load. My theory is above 100 MPH and over 1 G caused the air gap to change enough to set a fault code in the ABS module. At the 2010 OUSCI event it worked for the Auto Cross and the Speed Stop but dropped out on the road course. Intermittent ABS is almost as bad as no ABS. I had things I did not like about the tone wheel / “Big Bearing” set up:

Intermittent signal and signal drop outs
Rear axle seal leaks
Brake knock back
Poorly integrated park brake set up.

I needed to design something new. The stock front wheel bearing worked great. I set out to design a way to put a C-6 bearing on a Ford 9 inch. The setup I wanted to design would accept all the stock Corvette parts to make it robust. The bracket we designed allows the use of a C-6 ZR-1 Bearing, Stock C-6 park brake, Any C-6 brakes will bolt on and I made an axle seal system that does not leak.

The Delphi ABS system I use needs a passive wheel speed sensor the ZR-1 bearing uses active wheel speed sensors that work with the Bosch ABS system. I worked with SKF to make me one off ZR-1 SKF bearings with the passive wheel speed sensors.

In 2011 I installed this new axle set up in Red Devil and it works flawlessly:

No ABS signal drop outs
No brake knock back
No axle leaks
Robust park brake

The parts required to make it all work:

Steel Axle ends that weld to the Housing ends (DSE and Myself have fixtures now)
Aluminum Spacer (Sets up the proper spacing for the caliper offset)
C-6 Corvette Park brake parts
C-6 ZR-1 bearing (Off the shelf will work if you don’t have ABS)
Custom axles (Strange, Moser and Sway-A-Way have built them for me)
2013 Full Size truck axle seal (GM made millions of these so easy to get)
Corvette axle nut.

I have this parts running on Red Devil, Mayhem and my heavy test vehicle (Chris Smith’s C-10 pickup). Chris was having issues with brake knock back on his truck and this system fixed his problem in the rear. Now his is flexing his front uprights.

I originally designed this to fix my problem so I was not worried about cost because this stuff is all one off. I have lost track on how much CAD and design time I have in these parts. It looks simple but the devil is in the details. I have made a few parts and Kyle at DSE and I are working on selling them through Detroit Speed.

When we finalize the details I’ll let this community know.


http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psbb55550f.jpg

This is my third itteration with lightning pockets added. I'll use these on Hellfire.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...pscd1bf938.jpg

This is the alignment tool to set the steel bracket square to the housing.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps9f5fd0e2.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psd0928775.jpg

The Full Size Truck axle seal

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps7c6af04d.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...pscf9dcb14.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psb5541a13.jpg

HWY Nova 05-23-2014 08:36 AM

Thanks for sharing!


--Eric

Stielow 05-23-2014 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparks67 (Post 552000)
Here is a few more photos of Gordon's. 67 Camaro. In this thread. https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=41467

I don't think there is a build thread of Gordon's on Lateral-g. My 67 RS Camaro is in the same shop, but I never shot any photos of his build.

Jeff

PS. Looks good Mark.

This is Gordon Rojewski's '67. It is an orginal paint '67 out of the SW USA. Gordon has been working with Sled Alley to finish it up. It has the full DSE Chassis, A Thomson 700 HP 442 LS, D&D Perf 6 Speed. etc. All the good stuff. It also has some "Stielow" tweaks on it. Gordan and I have been good freinds for a long time. This car will be awsome when it is done later this summer. And yes he is leaving the paint.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps9ee4e432.jpg

GregWeld 05-23-2014 08:48 AM

Is the place next door to you for sale??


If so... HI NEIGHBOR!!


Think of all the fun WE could have with YOU doing all the work.

bdahlg68 05-23-2014 08:58 AM

I've got a spare room and am just about 10 miles away. While Mark is doing the work you could teach me how to weld!

Build-It-Break-it 05-23-2014 09:30 AM

Hey Stielow, nice work. Would you be able to use the bearing set up without the parking brake once its for sale? I'm going to run a hydraulic parking brake so that's why I'm asking. Also would we be able to order the parts to adapt to our existing Ford 9" ( custom axle lengths of coarse)rear ends or have to purchase an entirely new set up. Once again top notch R&D

Stielow 05-23-2014 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Build-It-Break-it (Post 552160)
Hey Stielow, nice work. Would you be able to use the bearing set up without the parking brake once its for sale? I'm going to run a hydraulic parking brake so that's why I'm asking. Also would we be able to order the parts to adapt to our existing Ford 9" ( custom axle lengths of coarse)rear ends or have to purchase an entirely new set up. Once again top notch R&D

You can run it without the drum in hat C-6 Corvette park break. If you are swapping from a normal big bearing style set up to this the old ends can be cut off and these welded on.

syborg tt 05-23-2014 10:02 AM

Mark,

Thank you for sharing all you do.

Okay I am torn thinking about selling both of my cars to either buy the new Z28 or give Gordon all of cash for his car.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 552150)
This is Gordon Rojewski's '67. It is an orginal paint '67 out of the SW USA. Gordon has been working with Sled Alley to finish it up. It has the full DSE Chassis, A Thomson 700 HP 442 LS, D&D Perf 6 Speed. etc. All the good stuff. It also has some "Stielow" tweaks on it. Gordan and I have been good freinds for a long time. This car will be awsome when it is done later this summer. And yes he is leaving the paint.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps9ee4e432.jpg



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