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Jtomas801 04-08-2012 09:06 PM

Gotcha :thumbsup:

Jon

intocarss 04-08-2012 09:15 PM

Cool and respected. If you want it to kill the eng and have a 1 wire Alt. use the proper gauge wire and run it from the alt battery main output directly to the battery positive post, and no where else. That will kill the car instantly when you hit the switch. Or If you see they are checking for it at the track, just unhook the Alt when going through Tech. But you didn't hear that from me

Vegas69 04-08-2012 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 406570)
Cool and respected. If you want it to kill the eng and have a 1 wire Alt. use the proper gauge wire and run it from the alt battery main output directly to the battery positive post, and no where else. That will kill the car instantly when you hit the switch. Or If you see they are checking for it at the track, just unhook the Alt when going through Tech. But you didn't hear that from me

Nice:D

Vegas69 04-15-2012 12:40 AM

Slept in till 9. Ate breakfast at 11 and headed out to the racetrack. :unibrow: I was greeted with some of the usual faces. The Pozzi's, Mr. Alcala, Hobaugh, and last and certainly least, Cris Gonzalez and his latest creation, blue balz that still hasn't got a nut. :lol: In all honesty, I think Brian has bleed that thing dry and them balz ain't blue no mo.

Back to my car. The autocross was a 1st gear good guys type autocross but I had a blast. This was the first outing with the new AFCO rear shocks. I tell you what, the car was good right from the start. Within my first 5-7 runs I clocked a 28.1 which was good for 3rd place for the day. Mary ran a 27.3 and Hobaugh a 27.4. I have alignment changes planned and I may go back to my old front compression setting to get a little more front grip. The loose condition present at El Toro is gone. They had a shoot out between the top 3 non hotchkis sponsored cars and I was the 2nd fastest behing Hobaugh for the day. Your best time of the day was your dial in(28.1) and they added the difference between your dial in and 3 runs to see how consistent you were. I ended up in 3rd place as I was right in the 29-29.3 range. Not my best runs but I was conscience of hitting a cone since that was a 2 second penalty and would've took me out.

Great day and I'd like to thank John Hotchkis for the opportunity to get 12-15 runs in such a short period of time. The Famous Dave's was icing on the cake. :thumbsup:

Sieg 04-15-2012 06:44 AM

Shocking results! :unibrow:

Track Junky 04-15-2012 08:20 AM

Nice wheel work. Whats up with the passenger? Helmet rules dont apply? Or was that his helmet :rofl:

Vegas69 04-15-2012 08:53 AM

That is Brian Hobaugh and helmets weren't required. I just had mine on since my Go Pro was mounted to it. Got the idea from Mr. Martinez.

WicKeD_SS 04-15-2012 11:13 AM

Wow nice video! Would love to get a ride in that beast! :thumbsup:

GregWeld 04-15-2012 12:50 PM

'bout time you finally took some lessons!

Listen to these guys -- Pozzi - Maier - Hobaugh... and it'll do ya more good than any money you can spend.

I'm only saying this -- not to poke you -- but to commend THEM that they're willing to share their knowledge with "us"! Amazing -- and that's the real spirit!

Vegas69 04-15-2012 01:01 PM

Having Brian drive my car has been a big help in tuning and allowing him to drive my car showed me a faster way around the track. It was the end of the day so I only made one run after letting him take a few laps. I think with a few more tries I could've improved my best time of the day. Car is getting damn close to it's full potential and I'm creeping up there as well. Brian, Cris, and I talked shop for a few hours last night over some drinks and it's nice to share info as we all learned from the experience. At the end of the day, it's about having a good time.

cencalc6 04-15-2012 01:20 PM

Love the way your car sounds :thumbsup: Todd What mufflers are you running?

Flash68 04-15-2012 04:22 PM

Nice work. Who da thunk that fatty could get around a Goodguys style autoX so well? :unibrow:

So first Cris, now you adding Hobaugh to the payroll? :D

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 407849)
Shocking results! :unibrow:

Shocking that he finished near the top? :lol:

Sieg 04-15-2012 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 407891)
Shocking that he finished near the top? :lol:

Shocking as in once you experience what decent suspension valving delivers you understand why the real good stuff is real expensive.

The driving ability, motor, and brakes have been there, the shocks have been his handicap IMHO.

Vegas69 04-15-2012 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cencalc6 (Post 407873)
Love the way your car sounds :thumbsup: Todd What mufflers are you running?

I have 3" pipe, x pipe, and Magnaflows that dump right before the axle. It sounded really good with the exhaust bouncing off the barriers. Oh ya, and I set off about 5 or 6 car alarms in the parking garage at the Cannery. :unibrow: I would like to put tail pipes on the car. It's got progressively louder or I've got OLD.

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 407891)
Nice work. Who da thunk that fatty could get around a Goodguys style autoX so well? :unibrow:

So first Cris, now you adding Hobaugh to the payroll? :D

Shocking that he finished near the top? :lol:

It does suprisingly well. I have so much engine braking with my big block and aluminum flywheel that it takes a unique driving style. Brian was struggling with it a little since he's used to LS engines. You really have to control front grip with the throttle.

I was thrilled to be that close to Mary & Brian.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 407895)
Shocking as in once you experience what decent suspension valving delivers you understand why the real good stuff is real expensive.

The driving ability, motor, and brakes have been there, the shocks have been his handicap IMHO.

The shocks definitely made a big difference. The good news is I need to work on the front end again to find a little more grip as the rear is biting better than ever laterally.

We talked about the direction of this hobby and the different type of cars last night. The truth of the matter is that cars like mine and Blue Balz aren't capable of competing with guys like Brian and Mike. It's a simple matter of physics. Our cars are just to heavy. We are gaining tenths and we need seconds to catch up to the top of the field. Mark Stielow is the only one I know of that can win with a car this heavy. Remember, he has 830 ft lbs and ABS. And he's one hell of a wheel man. Guess what he's doing. Building a lighter car. I'm really close to the end of the rope with this car and it's capabilites. I'm having trouble with the thought of selling it but my ideals have changed and I know what I'm capable of building with all my experience. The flip side is I hate to give up the streetability of the car. I've really tried to keep that alive through all my tweaks. It's a great ALL AROUND performer. I just crave the race part more than anything else at this point.

skatinjay27 04-15-2012 06:32 PM

damn there was ALOT of cones lol i guess they wanted to be sure no one would get lost!:lol:

73CPCAMARO 04-15-2012 07:07 PM

Todd,

I am glad you made it out yesterday to MATS. It was a very fun weekend. Hotchkis did a really nice job putting on a well run event with more runs that I have ever had in two days. Your Camaro is awesome. The power is unbelievable and the handling is just a few tweeks away from being REALLY GOOD. Thanks for the opportunity to take me for some rides and let me have my hands at the wheel. :D You will really feel the difference once you make the adjustements we talked about with the alignment. Enjoy the car and have a great summer with it. Hope to see you soon at another event this summer.

Brian

Vegas69 04-15-2012 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 73CPCAMARO (Post 407919)
Todd,

I am glad you made it out yesterday to MATS. It was a very fun weekend. Hotchkis did a really nice job putting on a well run event with more runs that I have ever had in two days. Your Camaro is awesome. The power is unbelievable and the handling is just a few tweeks away from being REALLY GOOD. Thanks for the opportunity to take me for some rides and let me have my hands at the wheel. :D You will really feel the difference once you make the adjustements we talked about with the alignment. Enjoy the car and have a great summer with it. Hope to see you soon at another event this summer.

Brian

We had a blast, wish I could've made it Friday. Dad's in town this week so maybe we'll get the bubble gauges and toe plates out and get to tweakin. I'm going to take you up on that ride you promised. :cheers:

Sieg 04-15-2012 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 407905)
I just crave the race part more than anything else at this point.

Keep Payback, get Kelli a used Prius and build a light-weight track car. Just don't put Ford stripes on it. :lol:

Track Junky 04-15-2012 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 407936)
Keep Payback, get Kelli a used Prius and build a light-weight track car. Just don't put Ford stripes on it. :lol:

Kelli in a Prius after being behind the wheel of the Vette.......Dont think that will happen.
If you want to save some bucks put your '69 up on blocks, find a shell, then pull your motor and front suspension and throw them in the shell. Pick up another G-bar set up and toss that in. That way you can still keep your car and I won't have to hear about how much lighter I am than you. :lol: :unibrow:

sixnina 04-15-2012 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 407905)
I have 3" pipe, x pipe, and Magnaflows that dump right before the axle. It sounded really good with the exhaust bouncing off the barriers. Oh ya, and I set off about 5 or 6 car alarms in the parking garage at the Cannery. :unibrow: I would like to put tail pipes on the car. It's got progressively louder or I've got OLD.


It does suprisingly well. I have so much engine braking with my big block and aluminum flywheel that it takes a unique driving style. Brian was struggling with it a little since he's used to LS engines. You really have to control front grip with the throttle.

I was thrilled to be that close to Mary & Brian.




The shocks definitely made a big difference. The good news is I need to work on the front end again to find a little more grip as the rear is biting better than ever laterally.

We talked about the direction of this hobby and the different type of cars last night. The truth of the matter is that cars like mine and Blue Balz aren't capable of competing with guys like Brian and Mike. It's a simple matter of physics. Our cars are just to heavy. We are gaining tenths and we need seconds to catch up to the top of the field. Mark Stielow is the only one I know of that can win with a car this heavy. Remember, he has 830 ft lbs and ABS. And he's one hell of a wheel man. Guess what he's doing. Building a lighter car. I'm really close to the end of the rope with this car and it's capabilites. I'm having trouble with the thought of selling it but my ideals have changed and I know what I'm capable of building with all my experience. The flip side is I hate to give up the streetability of the car. I've really tried to keep that alive through all my tweaks. It's a great ALL AROUND performer. I just crave the race part more than anything else at this point.

Awesome Todd
That really shows how far you and the car have come but you can't be serious about getting rid of this beast already, any way what would you move to next?

Vegas69 04-16-2012 07:42 AM

I'm not serious today but I'd eventually like to take everything I've learned and build a more race inspired car. One where I could run SCCA road races, The Silver State Classic, run 10's in the .25. Certified cage, lighter, two set of wheels, etc.

Matt@BOS 04-16-2012 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 407973)
I'm not serious today but I'd eventually like to take everything I've learned and build a more race inspired car. One where I could run SCCA road races, The Silver State Classic, run 10's in the .25. Certified cage, lighter, two set of wheels, etc.

So basically what you're telling us is that you want to build a car that is a little bit slower than project Unfair :unibrow:

Hey, it was fun riding around with you. I can see you've definitely picked up a little bit of Mary's driving style, and that's not a bad thing. I think if you stiffened Payback up front and rear you'd get more out of the car. You looked like you had pogo sticks for coil overs in the front. When the nose went down into corners it would bounce up and down at least once. It was the weirdest thing to watch. Anyway, she really surprised me how well she hussled around that parking lot, you know for having a big block, and all (I kid, I kid - the car was flat out fast). Now that you too are renting a hired gun, I'm sure you'll soon have a car that Brian can drive fast too :_paranoid

Matt

Sieg 04-16-2012 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 407973)
I'm not serious today but I'd eventually like to take everything I've learned and build a more race inspired car. One where I could run SCCA road races, The Silver State Classic, run 10's in the .25. Certified cage, lighter, two set of wheels, etc.

That would be really enjoyable for someone with your abilities. Imagine how relaxing it would be to work on a car you really don't worry about chipping or scratching. :yes: Money spent purely on functional performance goes farther compared to blending of performance and apperance required in PT.

Having enough space is one of the big challenges. Having a residence with a large enough lot to put up a 40x60ish shop would be very convenient.

Cris@JCG 04-16-2012 10:06 AM

Todd- Good to see to you again this weekend.. Hanging out with you & having a few drinks is never a dull moment.. Good to see that you let Brian drive your car again.. The input that he has given us on BB has helped us dial in the car pretty quick.. Take the advise he has given you & do it & you will see improvements ASAP.. If you need any help.. Just a phone call away..

If you build the race /street car! You are very capable of doing it.. I paid more attention to the details on your 69 this weekend.. Your work speaks for itself.. Awesome work! Just don't let the compliment go your head.. :lol:

sik68 04-16-2012 11:03 AM

In-car camera! :thumbsup: it's fun to watch the hands to see what the car is doing.

6D9 04-16-2012 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 407989)
That would be really enjoyable for someone with your abilities. Imagine how relaxing it would be to work on a car you really don't worry about chipping or scratching. :yes: Money spent purely on functional performance goes farther compared to blending of performance and apperance required in PT.

Having enough space is one of the big challenges. Having a residence with a large enough lot to put up a 40x60ish shop would be very convenient.

Man I completely agree. Before getting really getting into cars I was building rockcrawlers/off-road rigs. They always we're scratched and dented so I never worried about them. With my current camaro that is nowhere close to paybacks build is to nice to beat the crap out of it without being all paranoid. That's why I picked up that little lightweight cheap foxbody to beat on....lol. I would hate to see you sell Payback as it just does everything so well. But....I understand you thoughts of building a purpose built trackcar.

intocarss 04-16-2012 05:38 PM

Most important thing is SEAT TIME SEAT TIME SEAT TIME

Track Junky 04-16-2012 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 408076)
Most important thing is SEAT TIME SEAT TIME SEAT TIME

Big Time

GRob 04-16-2012 07:03 PM

Why not just build an rcr slc and have a far better platform for all that in the first place? I mean the g-machines being built are awesome but if you want to go really stupid fast everywhere, start with the best platform you can.

http://www.mad4wheels.com/webpics/hi...c_005_7170.jpg

Flash68 04-16-2012 08:22 PM

Todd will not own this car past 2012. Mark my words.

It'll be getting made ready for sale right about mid to late Sept after a certain disappointing weekend..... :D

Sieg 04-16-2012 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 408118)
Todd will not own this car past 2012. Mark my words.

It'll be getting made ready for sale right about mid to late Sept after a certain disappointing weekend..... :D

:rofl: :rofl:

Vegas69 04-16-2012 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69MSA (Post 407986)
So basically what you're telling us is that you want to build a car that is a little bit slower than project Unfair :unibrow:

Hey, it was fun riding around with you. I can see you've definitely picked up a little bit of Mary's driving style, and that's not a bad thing. I think if you stiffened Payback up front and rear you'd get more out of the car. You looked like you had pogo sticks for coil overs in the front. When the nose went down into corners it would bounce up and down at least once. It was the weirdest thing to watch. Anyway, she really surprised me how well she hussled around that parking lot, you know for having a big block, and all (I kid, I kid - the car was flat out fast). Now that you too are renting a hired gun, I'm sure you'll soon have a car that Brian can drive fast too :_paranoid

Matt

Glad you were along for the ride on my best lap. The engine braking in my car will make the front end bite pretty hard just easing off the throttle a hair mid corner. Not sure if that's what you are talking about.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 407989)
That would be really enjoyable for someone with your abilities. Imagine how relaxing it would be to work on a car you really don't worry about chipping or scratching. :yes: Money spent purely on functional performance goes farther compared to blending of performance and apperance required in PT.

Having enough space is one of the big challenges. Having a residence with a large enough lot to put up a 40x60ish shop would be very convenient.

I really don't worry about it anymore. I throw some bath towels over the fenders and tape things up as needed. You have to remember that this car has almost 7k and 25 races or more on it's belt. It's got some scars from all the good times.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 407996)
Todd- Good to see to you again this weekend.. Hanging out with you & having a few drinks is never a dull moment.. Good to see that you let Brian drive your car again.. The input that he has given us on BB has helped us dial in the car pretty quick.. Take the advise he has given you & do it & you will see improvements ASAP.. If you need any help.. Just a phone call away..

If you build the race /street car! You are very capable of doing it.. I paid more attention to the details on your 69 this weekend.. Your work speaks for itself.. Awesome work! Just don't let the compliment go your head.. :lol:

Big compliment from you Cris. :cheers: It's been a blast noodling eachother over the last few months.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sik68 (Post 408008)
In-car camera! :thumbsup: it's fun to watch the hands to see what the car is doing.

It was your idea.:unibrow:
Quote:

Originally Posted by 6D9 (Post 408060)
Man I completely agree. Before getting really getting into cars I was building rockcrawlers/off-road rigs. They always we're scratched and dented so I never worried about them. With my current camaro that is nowhere close to paybacks build is to nice to beat the crap out of it without being all paranoid. That's why I picked up that little lightweight cheap foxbody to beat on....lol. I would hate to see you sell Payback as it just does everything so well. But....I understand you thoughts of building a purpose built trackcar.

I've had two people walk up to me at events and say, "It's a shame to do this to that car". My response is, "It would be a shame not too". Cars are meant to be driven and enjoyed.
Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 408076)
Most important thing is SEAT TIME SEAT TIME SEAT TIME

Quote:

Originally Posted by GRob (Post 408098)
Why not just build an rcr slc and have a far better platform for all that in the first place? I mean the g-machines being built are awesome but if you want to go really stupid fast everywhere, start with the best platform you can.

http://www.mad4wheels.com/webpics/hi...c_005_7170.jpg

That's great but where's the challenge? I can buy a new ZR1 and go fast. This deal is about talking the coolest cars in American history and turning them into capable modern cars.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 408118)
Todd will not own this car past 2012. Mark my words.

It'll be getting made ready for sale right about mid to late Sept after a certain disappointing weekend..... :D

Hard to believe a boy from Pierre, SD could grow up to be such a dreamer. I'll be ready. :cool:

6D9 04-16-2012 10:10 PM

I agree drive them and drive them hard. I have taken mine to the dragstrip probably 20 times. Maybe just need to bust my cherry and go slide this car around some corners ...lol.

Flash68 04-16-2012 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 408131)


Hard to believe a boy from Pierre, SD could grow up to be such a dreamer. I'll be ready. :cool:

Hell, I might still be in pieces by Sept. :lol:

My Iowegian neighbor.

Vegas69 04-16-2012 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6D9 (Post 408134)
I agree drive them and drive them hard. I have taken mine to the dragstrip probably 20 times. Maybe just need to bust my cherry and go slide this car around some corners ...lol.

Do it :unibrow:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 408135)
Hell, I might still be in pieces by Sept. :lol:

My Iowegian neighbor.

Bull ****, get that thing together. I ain't winning by forfeit. :lol:

Tom.A 04-16-2012 10:17 PM

Seems not along ago you were firm on keeping the 19" for looks vs. performance and now you are searching for every 1/10 of a second:thumbsup: Why not gut your car or put it on a diet? I think you would be $$$ ahead imo. Building a new race ispired car could take a long time even if funded by the sale of Payback.

**Another key thing is you are engaged which means rugrats come next and extra hours in garage will be replaced by diaper duty :D

sik68 04-16-2012 10:24 PM

Hey Todd, can you expand upon your impressions of the shock change? Where did you feel like they were better? I'm guessing the improvement is along the lines of less snap oversteer coming out of corners, and just more predictable under throttle?

It will be very interesting to see what your feeling is on road courses...I bet the valving is going to let you get on the throttle much earlier than before.

Sieg 04-16-2012 10:38 PM

Quote:

I really don't worry about it anymore.
You're in denial. :D

Vegas69 04-16-2012 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom_a (Post 408140)
Seems not along ago you were firm on keeping the 19" for looks vs. performance and now you are searching for every 1/10 of a second:thumbsup: Why not gut your car or put it on a diet? I think you would be $$$ ahead imo. Building a new race ispired car could take a long time even if funded by the sale of Payback.

**Another key thing is you are engaged which means rugrats come next and extra hours in garage will be replaced by diaper duty :D

I knew I should've kept my mouth shut. :lol: I don't want to go down that road with this car. It's just to complete and nice. Another car would be a more budget minded all business car. I hated my 19's like 3 years ago so you must have your head under a rock somewhere. :lol: :cheers:

Quote:

Originally Posted by sik68 (Post 408144)
Hey Todd, can you expand upon your impressions of the shock change? Where did you feel like they were better? I'm guessing the improvement is along the lines of less snap oversteer coming out of corners, and just more predictable under throttle?

It will be very interesting to see what your feeling is on road courses...I bet the valving is going to let you get on the throttle much earlier than before.

Steven, I'd describe it as more in control. I noticed the difference on the street almost immediately. I'm glad you asked because now that I reflect on the feel difference, the old shocks were to bouncy when they had what I now know is enough rebound. The lateral grip has definitely increased. It would get loose but well in control and savable. With the old shocks, it would break loose and it was hard to recover.

Now, that course certainly wasn't the ultimate test but I have little doubt that it will improve the car at higher speeds. I agree that I can get on the throttle a litte sooner and it may have a little more forward bite. I didn't feel like I was just mowing off tire tread down the short straights. I wasn't exactly stomping on the loud pedal and I'm not sure I was getting to full throttle but definitely well into the four barrel. I really can't say it gets out of the hole better just yet. I do expect better 60 foot times at the drag strip but that's a whole different deal.

I'm running at least one SCCA event in May on large lots. I'll report back. So far, well worth the $600.

Sieg 04-16-2012 10:44 PM

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