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Ron Sutton 08-09-2013 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 497942)
Wow that is dang near the same huh. Those are great numbers for a 23* motor. What heads do you use?
:bigun2:

But with my head work and mods I should be upper 700's I am guessing? If I hit the magic 800 I will be stoked.

My cubes are 437. 4.17 x 4.00

They are Dart CNC ported heads with 227cc runners. This engine is very "developed."

The original incarnation made 673hp & 572#. 9 days on the dyno, 5 camshafts, 6 rocker arm combinations, 5 intake manifolds, 3 sets of headers, 3 carburetors, 2 days tweaking the fuel curve later ... whew ... and it now makes 731hp & 599#.


:trophy-1302:

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Flash68 08-09-2013 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Sutton (Post 497944)
They are Dart CNC ported heads with 227cc runners. This engine is very "developed."

The original incarnation made 673hp & 572#. 9 days on the dyno, 5 camshafts, 6 rocker arm combinations, 5 intake manifolds, 3 sets of headers, 3 carburetors, 2 days tweaking the fuel curve later ... whew ... and it now makes 731hp & 599#.


:trophy-1302:

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Yeah I figured it was "developed"... that's an understatement. :lol:

Ron, care to give me your educated guess of my engine results (hp/tq) based on what you know about it? :rules:

intocarss 08-09-2013 06:11 PM

IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!!!!...GO GET EM TIGER :smiley_smack:

Flash68 08-10-2013 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 497960)
IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!!!!...GO GET EM TIGER :smiley_smack:

Thanks Jer... it's almost magic time.... hopefully next week at S&S. Do you know Rick Santos?

intocarss 08-10-2013 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 498025)
Thanks Jer... it's almost magic time.... hopefully next week at S&S. Do you know Rick Santos?

I don't know him presonally, but sure have heard of him... YOUR BABY IS COMING TO LIFE!!! CONGRATS!!!

Ron in SoCal 08-10-2013 08:14 AM

Dave your motor is bad a$$. Can't wait for the dyno numbers and vid :headspin: :thumbsup:

OT: Nice 69 in your sig! You think Big Red is running a factory spoiler @ 200 mph?

Sieg 08-10-2013 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 498050)
OT: Nice 69 in your sig! You think Big Red is running a factory spoiler @ 200 mph?

Looks like it along with, airbrushed wheel covers, roof channels, and aero hood. Be interested in knowing the front and rear spring rates compared to their Silver State setup.

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-r...-rVsSFSh-L.jpg

glassman 08-10-2013 10:12 AM

Whats it going over to S&S for ? i thought you were assembled and ready to go, no?

They are a top notch machine shop for as far back as i can remember, my family lived in that hood for 40+ years. I dont know them personally, but they did the machine work on my engine for my boat through a machine shop.....

Do they dyno and tune?

Ron Sutton 08-10-2013 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 497949)
Yeah I figured it was "developed"... that's an understatement. :lol:

Ron, care to give me your educated guess of my engine results (hp/tq) based on what you know about it? :rules:


Sure!

I need a few more details ...
Carb or EFI size in CFM
Compression ratio
Rod length 6.0" or ?
Are the heads SB2 or SB2.2
Are the cylinder head intake runners 286cc or different ?
Header primary diameter & length
Collector diameter & length
Cam degreed at ???
Is cam a roller or big lifter flat tappet?
Also: Is this a 4.4" or 4.5" bore center block & head combo?


If you don't have it all, just get me what you can.



WSSix 08-10-2013 06:20 PM

Congrats on getting the engine ready for the dyno, Dave. Here's hoping you hit 800 :thumbsup:

MX145 08-10-2013 11:01 PM

Can't wait to see what she does. Hearing these motors fire up always gets my blood pumping. Never gets old! Your motor looks awesome btw!!

Flash68 08-10-2013 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 498050)
Dave your motor is bad a$$. Can't wait for the dyno numbers and vid :headspin: :thumbsup:

OT: Nice 69 in your sig! You think Big Red is running a factory spoiler @ 200 mph?

Thanks Ronnie.... Yeah, Big Red...can't go wrong there...

And Big Red can run whatever spoiler it wants. It can't not go fast. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by glassman (Post 498064)
Whats it going over to S&S for ? i thought you were assembled and ready to go, no?

They are a top notch machine shop for as far back as i can remember, my family lived in that hood for 40+ years. I dont know them personally, but they did the machine work on my engine for my boat through a machine shop.....

Do they dyno and tune?

Mike Blackstone (Watson Racing) has known Rick Santos (S&S) a very long and Rick is one of the few guys Mike trusts in the bay area. Mike has a dyno but because mine will run E85 he prefers to dyno it over at Rick's since his fuel system is more beefed up and set up for a lot of the alcohol motors they do over there. Makes no diff to me. I am in good hands.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Sutton (Post 498066)

Sure!

I need a few more details ...
Carb or EFI size in CFM
Compression ratio
Rod length 6.0" or ?
Are the heads SB2 or SB2.2
Are the cylinder head intake runners 286cc or different ?
Header primary diameter & length
Collector diameter & length
Cam degreed at ???
Is cam a roller or big lifter flat tappet?
Also: Is this a 4.4" or 4.5" bore center block & head combo?


If you don't have it all, just get me what you can.



Carb is Holley HP950, but as you know Ron, factory ratings (especially Holley) are not reliable with respect to cfm.

Compression is 13:1

6.0" rods

Heads are SB2.2 worked by Curtis Boggs @ RFD in Virginia. I am guessing you know of him or have heard of him. Peak is 410-420 cfm at .900 but around 395-400 at .700 closer to where my cam net lift ends up. Low and mid lift numbers are strong. The work done was intended for road race (vs the Nascar CNC programs) and not max hp at high rpm.

Header is stepped 1-3/4 to 1-7/8 to 2.... 3.5 collector. Do not have length. It is a Profab Nascar type take off I believe.

Do not know cam degree number.

Cam solid roller.

Block is Dart Little M -- not a Bowtie/SB2 block.... so that must make it 4.4" I am guessing.


Quote:

Originally Posted by WSSix (Post 498124)
Congrats on getting the engine ready for the dyno, Dave. Here's hoping you hit 800 :thumbsup:

Thank you! Me too. :)

FETorino 08-10-2013 11:24 PM

That's great DG all you had to do was tell Ron look back at last Octobers posts for engine specs.:stirthepot:

Any real updates?:lmao:

Flash68 08-10-2013 11:45 PM

Ok.... wheels are finally done and on the car. I give you the Jongbloed Racing 330 wheel.... done locally in Morgan Hill.

18x12 front and 18x13 rear on 315 and 335 Hoosier A6's.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...ps64b80e79.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...psf2c5c238.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...psb73a6a84.jpg

Flash68 08-10-2013 11:45 PM

And the car is one the ground off the lift for the first time in probably 6 months. That's always a step forward.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...ps2bdec2e1.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...ps614a2794.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...psf5870c00.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...ps0eb423bd.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...ps445c9600.jpg

Flash68 08-10-2013 11:46 PM

Rich has been working on the fuel cell cage and I am really happy with how it's turning out. Just needs some top bars/straps and powdercoating. I gave Rich the "blueprints" for the cage found in Circle Track magazine. It uses about 50 feet of 1x1 square tubing. Heavy and a little overkill but about as safe as I can get I figure.
http://www.circletrack.com/safety/ct...d/viewall.html

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...psa33dd1c3.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...ps66aefdf2.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...psb348448c.jpg

Flash68 08-10-2013 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 498165)
That's great DG all you had to do was tell Ron look back at last Octobers posts for engine specs.:stirthepot:

Any real updates?:lmao:

Nice avatar... :bitchslap: :D

Matt@BOS 08-11-2013 12:00 AM

And I thought the front of my car had stupid amounts of camber when I was looking at it the other day. BMF looks nothing but serious business now. And those wheels... I kind of really want some now.

Flash68 08-11-2013 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 498175)
And I thought the front of my car had stupid amounts of camber when I was looking at it the other day. BMF looks nothing but serious business now. And those wheels... I kind of really want some now.

Well this is only 2.5* actually, which is what Jake specs for my setup. I don't consider that too extreme. But maybe that's part of my problem... since I don't consider this car too extreme. :peepwall:

FETorino 08-11-2013 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 498175)
And I thought the front of my car had stupid amounts of camber when I was looking at it the other day. BMF looks nothing but serious business now. And those wheels... I kind of really want some now.

Matt Are you sure you can accept that hellafflush 315 on a 12" wheel up front.:cheers:

Sieg 08-11-2013 01:35 AM

BMF'n Outlaw :unibrow:

Flares :secret:

intocarss 08-11-2013 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 498182)
BMF'n Outlaw :unibrow:

Flares :secret:

Outlaw 10.5?? :guns:

Without the flares... it looks like a dirt track car :drive:

:hello: :thumbsup:

Ron in SoCal 08-11-2013 09:04 AM

Those wheels stick (stand) out...:wow: :D

Now that's a real update! :cheers:

Ron Sutton 08-11-2013 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 498163)
Carb is Holley HP950, but as you know Ron, factory ratings (especially Holley) are not reliable with respect to cfm.
No worries. We're just ball parking here anyway.

Compression is 13:1

6.0" rods

Heads are SB2.2 worked by Curtis Boggs @ RFD in Virginia. I am guessing you know of him or have heard of him.
Yup.

Peak is 410-420 cfm at .900 but around 395-400 at .700 closer to where my cam net lift ends up. Low and mid lift numbers are strong. The work done was intended for road race (vs the Nascar CNC programs) and not max hp at high rpm.
Very similar to Busch/Nationwide numbers back then.

Header is stepped 1-3/4 to 1-7/8 to 2.... 3.5 collector. Do not have length. It is a Profab Nascar type take off I believe.
Cool. Also probably a Busch/Nationwide piece.

Do not know cam degree number.

Cam solid roller.

Block is Dart Little M -- not a Bowtie/SB2 block.... so that must make it 4.4" I am guessing.
It probably is.

Thank you! Me too. :)

My calcs show 818hp @ 7000 rpm & 645# Torque at 5800rpm, but I had to guess at lot of stuff. Now lets go see what it really does. :)


GregWeld 08-11-2013 09:40 AM

Have you considered a set of INTROS??

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Flash68 08-11-2013 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 498184)

Without the flares... it looks like a dirt track car :drive:

:hello: :thumbsup:

I almost wanna cut out the fenders and clean them up and leave it... modern pro dirt? :lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 498229)
Those wheels stick (stand) out...:wow: :D

Now that's a real update! :cheers:

Thanks Ronster. Real updates are fun when they happen. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Sutton (Post 498237)
My calcs show 818hp @ 7000 rpm & 645# Torque at 5800rpm, but I had to guess at lot of stuff. Now lets go see what it really does. :)


I like those.. pretty optimistic I think... but I'd take your guesses over Rob's. :bitchslap:

My guess is 790 hp @ 6800 and 625 ft lbs @ 6000.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 498240)
Have you considered a set of INTROS??

Yep. Every Tuesday between 9 and 9:30am.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67zo6Camaro (Post 498258)
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!! !!!!!!!


You are killing me smalls!


I go to bed thinking about cars and feeling empty because no serious updates on Lat-G,,, Then BAM POW.... you throw this down.


Love it.

I like to please when I can. Myself included. :sieg:

intocarss 08-11-2013 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 498301)
I almost wanna cut out the fenders and clean them up and leave it... modern pro dirt? :lol:

AND IT WILL CALLED THE "DIRT DIGGLER TOUR"!!!!:gitrdun: :thumbsup:

fleet 08-11-2013 08:38 PM

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...psf5870c00.jpg

No wonder yer phone has been ringing non-stop. :cool:³


FETorino 08-11-2013 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Sutton (Post 498237)
My calcs show 818hp @ 7000 rpm & 645# Torque at 5800rpm, but I had to guess at lot of stuff. Now lets go see what it really does. :)


Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 498301)
I like those.. pretty optimistic I think... but I'd take your guesses over Rob's. :bitchslap:

My guess is 790 hp @ 6800 and 625 ft lbs @ 6000.


What didn't you like about my guess:headscratch:

770 hp and 610 lbs doesn't sound so bad. It may still be a few months the way things roll on this thread.:popcorn2:

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 498240)
Have you considered a set of INTROS??

Who doesn't :headscratch:

:cheers:

Payton King 08-12-2013 07:36 AM

All of thes updates
 
Must have thrown a glitch in the system and took Lat-G down.

I am happy for you. The car looks great!

Flash68 08-12-2013 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Payton King (Post 498584)
Must have thrown a glitch in the system and took Lat-G down.

I am happy for you. The car looks great!

LOL! Thanks P.... only Weld and his 12k posts could something like that. :innocent:

I'm ready to see some new pics of yours. :headspin:

sixnina 08-12-2013 05:55 PM

Nice Choice on the wheels Dave,
The car is looking wicked bada$$. Good job Richie on the gas tank mount.
Congrats.:thumbsup:

Richio1 08-12-2013 06:23 PM

Why don't we have a pool going for this?


Place your bets... Winner takes all. :G-Dub:

Ron in SoCal 08-12-2013 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richio1 (Post 498723)
Why don't we have a pool going for this?


Place your bets... Winner takes all. :G-Dub:

Jeff, we do have a "Pool" going after this. :lol: :cheers:

GregWeld 08-12-2013 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 498683)
LOL! Thanks P.... only Weld and his 12k posts could something like that.:



I wouldn't have HALF of that if you boners hadn't hidden the multi post instructions from me!!!

Sieg 08-12-2013 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 498745)
if you boners

He called us boners :sieg:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


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