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intocarss 08-21-2013 08:58 PM

I love it when it pulls down and then the floor, walls and windows vibrate OH and the smell!!! ..I miss dyno days


FETorino 08-21-2013 09:08 PM

:waveflag: Don't shoot DG:waveflag: Don't shoot :waveflag:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps12c58fb7.jpg

DFRESH 08-21-2013 09:31 PM

Nice job bro--that is certainly stout fo shizzle! Can't wait to here that bad mama in the car at an event.

D

Flash68 08-21-2013 11:07 PM

Weld called and told me I better use multi-quote...

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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 500578)
If that doesn't give you a bit of a puffer, nothing will. Looks like the pulls went to 7500, which is short shifting that engine. LOL Hell, that thing should last forever keeping the rpm's down there. I really can't wait to see how the car puts down that much power, should be a hand full.

Randy Johnson's car made I think he said over 900hp at the wheels and it worked really well at Motorstate. If its anything like my experience with new engines, 2 weeks in you'll wondering what you can do to make it faster.

Yeah nothing like seeing your :G-Dub: being pulled to 7500 right before your eyes. Well this cam is pretty small and I really was never planning to rev it past 7000, but I guess 7200-7300 is in order now.

Handful is right.... I can always throw a cam/rocker/carb change in it and hit 900. Like I need that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 500581)
It's gonna be pretty on 200 tread wear tires and sound nice in the straights.

200 will be indeed interesting... I will probably get some Rivals since they carry my sizes for RTTC... but will start out with my Hoosier scrubs. A6.

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Originally Posted by Ron Sutton (Post 500586)

It's gonna be "interesting" on 200 tread wear tires and sound nice in the straights. :)

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Hey Dave ! Congrats on getting her done ... dyno'd ... and making big power.

When you come off your high ... later this year ... I have questions.
a. Do you know why the dyno sheet shows two fuel lb/hr columns (A & B)
b. The BSFC #s are utilizing Fuel B Lb/Hr ... ask him if these #'s are accurate?
c. Did you guys run any EGT or O2 sensors? If yes, can you post those sheets?
d. Did you guys do any carb tuning?
e. If yes, did you tune any air bleeds?

I can tell you guys ran her "safe" by the BSFC #s. You remember when I said mine was "developed"?

I think your baby has another 25-30 hp in her up top ... but you'll never need it anyway.

Congrats !!!


Thanks Ron!

a. I forgot what Mike said on this, but Rob reminded me, that A & B are primary and secondary fuel flow readings... he knows where he wants them and said these #'s were right there

b. I will have to ask him this... how can you tell they are using Fuel B?

c. No EGT and no O2. I will have O2 bungs welded into my collectors for in car gauge

d. Nope. He liked it where it was he said.

e. No, he just played with the ide mixture screws (they were bottomed out as delivered I guess)

As you can tell, Mike doesn't like to spend a lot of time tuning on the dyno. His philosophy is to get it running safe, make sure no leaks/issues, and pull it off and do the tuning in the car.

Yep, he tunes on BSFC and said he knows what he is looking for. He liked it a little rich here.

He said there is more power in it also. He also said I could take it somewhere else in the Bay Area (Top of the Hill, Panella, etc) and it would hit 830+ hp. He said Pro Stock motors are 100 hp down on his dyno and mine is prolly 40-50 down. I don't really care. (Ok yes I do - I wish it hit 800 :D) But you get the point.

And you nailed it... this is as much power as I need... for now. :)


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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 500591)
Party time! :cheers:

Dave's gonna do the Ricky Ricardo dance tonight!

That is a great use of the youtubage there Ron.... am I still part of the Rontourage? :hitaxeonthehead:

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Originally Posted by sik68 (Post 500619)
Congrats on the successful pulls and making da big boy power, the car is going to be insane! 795hp at 84 deg air temp....you're over 800hp on most Bay Area days.

:flag2:

What's your rear gear ratio again?

Yes sir... 800 woulda been nice but it's all good.

Rear gear is 3.64 to start.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 500620)
3:42's and a 6 speed FTW!

Have fun trying to sleep tonight Dave. LoL

Like my old 95 Z28. lol

Been a long day... I should sleep well.. but I probably won't.

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Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 500623)
I love it when it pulls down and then the floor, walls and windows vibrate OH and the smell!!! ..I miss dyno days

That's a fun time ain't it? Slightly nerve racking though. :wacko:

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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 500625)
:waveflag: Don't shoot DG:waveflag: Don't shoot :waveflag:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps12c58fb7.jpg

Like I told you earlier... 2nd place ain't too bad here. That make ya feel any better? :lol:

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Originally Posted by DFRESH (Post 500634)
Nice job bro--that is certainly stout fo shizzle! Can't wait to here that bad mama in the car at an event.

D

Thanks Doc.... RTTC2014 here we come.... just keep that drag car away from me and don't steal my thunder. :bigun2:

96z28ss 08-21-2013 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DFRESH (Post 500634)
Nice job bro--that is certainly stout fo shizzle! Can't wait to here that bad mama in the car at an event.

D

Oh yeah can't wait to hear that motor rev up in the car.
It's going to sound so good bouncing off the rev limiter.

Sieg 08-22-2013 06:07 AM

Pretty amazing numbers Dave :thumbsup:

I'm going to play "Mother" now, is your roll cage and safety equipment equal to what you're creating?

You're not in the pro-tinkering or pro-touring class anymore.

Additional Gussets and X-bracing?

Ron Sutton 08-22-2013 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 500671)
Pretty amazing numbers Dave :thumbsup:

I'm going to play "Mother" now, is your roll cage and safety equipment equal to what you're creating?

You're not in the pro-tinkering or pro-touring class anymore.

Additional Gussets and X-bracing?

Yes ... what he said ... X2.


Flash68 08-22-2013 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 96z28ss (Post 500649)
Oh yeah can't wait to hear that motor rev up in the car.
It's going to sound so good bouncing off the rev limiter.

Hopefully we keep it under 7400 this time. Unless you are working that corner I might raise it just for you Bob.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 500671)
Pretty amazing numbers Dave :thumbsup:

I'm going to play "Mother" now, is your roll cage and safety equipment equal to what you're creating?

You're not in the pro-tinkering or pro-touring class anymore.

Additional Gussets and X-bracing?

Fair question and I've been planning for safety upgrades since last year. I already have a fairly complete stout cage. The only thing needed to really "complete" is an under dash bar and then tying in the front down bars to that. I am working with Brett on a plan to try to do that. It's not for certain but I'd like to.

6 nozzle Fire suppression already purchased last year.
6 point camlock harnesses purchased recently.
Sparco suit, gloves, boots
CarbonX long sleeve shirt and underwear
Nomex socks and head sock
HJC helmet

Might do some A pillar gussets too. I'd like to.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Sutton (Post 500672)
Yes ... what he said ... X2.


I think I am doing pretty good.... you guys should go work on Gaetano now. :angel: :D

intocarss 08-22-2013 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 500697)
Hopefully we keep it under 7400 this time. Unless you are working that corner I might raise it just for you Bob.



Fair question and I've been planning for safety upgrades since last year. I already have a fairly complete stout cage. The only thing needed to really "complete" is an under dash bar and then tying in the front down bars to that. I am working with Brett on a plan to try to do that. It's not for certain but I'd like to.

6 nozzle Fire suppression already purchased last year.
6 point camlock harnesses purchased recently.
Sparco suit, gloves, boots
CarbonX long sleeve shirt and underwear
Nomex socks and head sock
HJC helmet

HEAD & NECK RESTRAINT

Might do some A pillar gussets too. I'd like to.




I think I am doing pretty good.... you guys should go work on Gaetano now. :angel: :D

I FIXED IT FOR YOU!!! :guns: Don't worry Gae's gona get a talking to too :buttkick:

Sieg 08-22-2013 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 500697)
I think I am doing pretty good.... you guys should go work on Gaetano now. :angel: :D

I don't think his motor is as capable of inducing the caliber of cartwheels your's could. :sieg:

Both of you have probably exceeded the performance levels of '68-'70 era Trans Am cars and you're exceeding the current Vintage Trans Am car performance level..........I'd be looking at the level cages the vintage boys are running and see what you can realistically adapt to BMF V.2.

I am completely in support of what you are doing and don't want to sour the hype of this moment in any way as the car is over the top impressive to me.......but you've somewhat built the perfect storm with the new grip and horsepower levels...........your safety is more important to me than the car. :thumbsup:

Sincerely,
Momma Sieg

Track Junky 08-22-2013 10:38 AM

Holy Hell!! How the hell am I supposed to compete with that!!

Leave it to Dave to make me go out and spend more money now :bang: :lol:

Sieg 08-22-2013 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 500709)
Holy Hell!! How the hell am I supposed to compete with that!!

Leave it to Dave to make me go out and spend more money now :bang: :lol:

At least you won't get thoroughly embarrassed.....my car on the other hand is in the garage :underchair: whimpering and shaking. :D

DaleTx 08-22-2013 11:22 AM

Congrats Dave!... That is one awesome engine you've built :thumbsup:

:cheers:

67zo6Camaro 08-22-2013 11:59 AM

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Greg from Aus 08-22-2013 02:22 PM

Dave congratulations on a killer combo, sounds fantastic.

coolwelder62 08-22-2013 02:44 PM

Pretty frickin Cool.!!!!!!!!!!Wouldn't mind doin SB2.2 in a project someday.Sound's awesome.Look's like this Thread could pass Payback shortly.Might have to figure a way come too the west for RTTC.:hail:

intocarss 08-22-2013 04:07 PM

OK, ENGINE IS DONE...MORE UPDATE PICS OF THE OF THE CAR !!!! :hello:

Flash68 08-22-2013 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 500701)
I FIXED IT FOR YOU!!! :guns: Don't worry Gae's gona get a talking to too

HANS is also on the shopping list too. I forgot to add that. :thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 500705)
I don't think his motor is as capable of inducing the caliber of cartwheels your's could.

Both of you have probably exceeded the performance levels of '68-'70 era Trans Am cars and you're exceeding the current Vintage Trans Am car performance level..........I'd be looking at the level cages the vintage boys are running and see what you can realistically adapt to BMF V.2.

I am completely in support of what you are doing and don't want to sour the hype of this moment in any way as the car is over the top impressive to me.......but you've somewhat built the perfect storm with the new grip and horsepower levels...........your safety is more important to me than the car.

Sincerely,
Momma Sieg

I appreciate it, Momma, but if you look around our site, I have more safety items (on the car and on person) than 95% of those running. And I am adding more.... I'm serious about it and heading in the right direction.

And Gaetano is damn fast for a pretty simple setup. I think 140 on the straights that he can hit is enough to do cartwheels -- isn't any caliber of cartwheel bad on a track? :mock:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 500709)
Holy Hell!! How the hell am I supposed to compete with that!!

You aren't. :lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 500715)
At least you won't get thoroughly embarrassed.....my car on the other hand is in the garage :underchair: whimpering and shaking. :D

Come on out and play. The driver is the X factor no? :sieg:

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaleTx (Post 500724)
Congrats Dave!... That is one awesome engine you've built :thumbsup:

Thank you. I just got in the way... it would have been built faster and cheaper had I stayed out of it. :lol:
I did learn a hell of a lot though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67zo6Camaro (Post 500729)
I'm hoping that you will let me do some of my 4130 cage wonders on your Ride. After seeing that monster.... It sure would fit the build.

Congrats, that is just wicked. Looking forward to working on your project.

I can't wait! I am thinking some of your 4130 magic is in order... :stirthepot:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg from Aus (Post 500757)
Dave congratulations on a killer combo, sounds fantastic.

Thank you sir!

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolwelder62 (Post 500764)
Pretty frickin Cool.!!!!!!!!!!Wouldn't mind doin SB2.2 in a project someday.Sound's awesome.Look's like this Thread could pass Payback shortly.Might have to figure a way come too the west for RTTC.:hail:

Scott, get your butt out here. Payback? I have enough trouble keeping up with RonInSocal for President 2016. :waveflag:

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 500780)
OK, ENGINE IS DONE...MORE UPDATE PICS OF THE OF THE CAR !!!! :hello:

Can I get a couple weeks please? :drowninga:

coolwelder62 08-22-2013 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 500786)
HANS is also on the shopping list too. I forgot to add that. :thumbsup:



I appreciate it, Momma, but if you look around our site, I have more safety items (on the car and on person) than 95% of those running. And I am adding more.... I'm serious about it and heading in the right direction.

And Gaetano is damn fast for a pretty simple setup. I think 140 on the straights that he can hit is enough to do cartwheels -- isn't any caliber of cartwheel bad on a track? :mock:



You aren't. :lol:



Come on out and play. The driver is the X factor no? :sieg:



Thank you. I just got in the way... it would have been built faster and cheaper had I stayed out of it. :lol:
I did learn a hell of a lot though.



I can't wait! I am thinking some of your 4130 magic is in order... :stirthepot:



Thank you sir!



Scott, get your butt out here. Payback? I have enough trouble keeping up with RonInSocal for President 2016. :waveflag:



Can I get a couple weeks please? :drowninga:

Are you going to repaint the car RED!!!!!!!

Vince@Meanstreets 08-22-2013 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 500709)
Holy Hell!! How the hell am I supposed to compete with that!!

Leave it to Dave to make me go out and spend more money now :bang: :lol:

should I start wiping down that stroker LS7 in the shed? I think you should be fine as long as you stay ahead of all the tire smoke (jet wash) LOL

Vince@Meanstreets 08-22-2013 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67zo6Camaro (Post 500729)
I'm hoping that you will let me do some of my 4130 cage wonders on your Ride. After seeing that monster.... It sure would fit the build.

Congrats, that is just wicked. Looking forward to working on your project.

twin halo funny car style!!!!!!

intocarss 08-22-2013 05:49 PM

Did you take the engine home with you??

Sieg 08-22-2013 06:03 PM

[QUOTE=Flash68;500786]
I appreciate it, Momma, but if you look around our site, I have more safety items (on the car and on person) than 95% of those running. And I am adding more.... I'm serious about it and heading in the right direction.[\QUOTE]
99.8% of the cars on the site don't have your power to weight ratio and aren't capable of the level of grip. :action-smiley-027:

Quote:

And Gaetano is damn fast for a pretty simple setup. I think 140 on the straights that he can hit is enough to do cartwheels -- isn't any caliber of cartwheel bad on a track? :mock:
Personally I really like the spectacular cartwheels that the driver walks away from. :mock:

Quote:

Come on out and play. The driver is the X factor no? :sieg:
:snapout:
To a degree.......getting gapped 8-10 car lengths on the straight lap after lap makes it tough. The way I see it given enough laps is I'd have two reasonable chances against you. 1) You run out of fuel. 2) You run the rear tires to the cords.
:thumbsup:

glassman 08-22-2013 06:25 PM

Endurance? sieg...

Are you dropping in the car? at your home or down in the South Bay? ya gottal be itchin to drive that baby!!! I'm droolin just watchin....

Track Junky 08-22-2013 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 500792)
should I start wiping down that stroker LS7 in the shed?

Nah...I'm gonna wait and see how things play out............H.P. will help him at T-Hill but wont be a big threat at Sonoma. Regardless, I'm still going to tuck away a few horsepower bones just in case :relax:

Flash68 08-22-2013 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolwelder62 (Post 500791)
Are you going to repaint the car RED!!!!!!!

That's not the worst idea I ever heard. :D But I really like the Viper blue paint that came with the car. And it's pretty decent considering it's nearing 15 years old.

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 500802)
Did you take the engine home with you??

Nope. Engine and car are waiting to be picked up by the Fab man... Fab53 that is... he is coming up soon. :thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 500803)
99.8% of the cars on the site don't have your power to weight ratio and aren't capable of the level of grip. :action-smiley-027:





Those sound like positives for me, yes? :RunninDog:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 500803)

To a degree.......getting gapped 8-10 car lengths on the straight lap after lap makes it tough. The way I see it given enough laps is I'd have two reasonable chances against you. 1) You run out of fuel. 2) You run the rear tires to the cords.
:thumbsup:

That sounds like another good thing for me. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by glassman (Post 500810)
Endurance? sieg...

Are you dropping in the car? at your home or down in the South Bay? ya gottal be itchin to drive that baby!!! I'm droolin just watchin....

No, still lots of fab work to do up and down the car. I have neither the skills nor the tools to do it myself. So it's heading south to Long Beach to the new Fab53 shop to finish her up. I am stoked to be one of Brett's first customers in his new venture. :thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 500814)
Nah...I'm gonna wait and see how things play out............H.P. will help him at T-Hill but wont be a big threat at Sonoma. Regardless, I'm still going to tuck away a few horsepower bones just in case :relax:

Will I be a threat in the parking lot when you set up your skidpad? :lol:

GrabberGT 08-23-2013 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 500803)
To a degree.......getting gapped 8-10 car lengths on the straight lap after lap makes it tough. The way I see it given enough laps is I'd have two reasonable chances against you. 1) You run out of fuel. 2) You run the rear tires to the cords.
:thumbsup:

Having a mental flashback to arcade days where the only way to keep up and win the racing game was to keep hitting the "NOS" button and hope you dont run out.

intocarss 08-23-2013 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 500881)

Nope. Engine and car are waiting to be picked up by the Fab man... Fab53 that is... he is coming up soon. :thumbsup:



SWEET!!! Maybe I'll sneak on down there for a peak!!!

SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH !!:secret:

BMF BLUE CREW

Track Junky 08-23-2013 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 500881)
Will I be a threat in the parking lot when you set up your skidpad? :lol:

I couldn't tell ya....I dont do cone zones :lol:

Sieg 08-23-2013 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 500881)
Those sound like positives for me, yes? :RunninDog:

Yes but things happen fast with high grip and horsepower..........



...........and those guys have state of the art traction control and I don't want to see you holding a yard sale anytime soon. :D

fleet 08-23-2013 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 500881)

Will I be a threat in the parking lot when you set up your skidpad? :lol:

Oh man...that's a GW :weld: stage 3 whacking!


:lol:


Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 500924)

BMF BLUE CREW

Jerdog, is that you in there? :shakehead:



http://mobile.onmilwaukee.com/images...iew_story1.jpg



:hello: sigh...




:D

Sieg 08-23-2013 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrabberGT (Post 500922)
Having a mental flashback to arcade days where the only way to keep up and win the racing game was to keep hitting the "NOS" button and hope you don't run out.

I left out option 3) Pull over in on escape road and wait, then pull out in front and block him like Big Wanda. :unibrow:

GregWeld 08-23-2013 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 500925)
I couldn't tell ya....I dont do cone zones :lol:




I love you man!!!



HAHAHAHAHA

Chad-1stGen 08-23-2013 01:14 PM

Badass numbers Dave!!

Will have to swing by Brett's new shop for a tour when you get your car down here.

I just hope you have figured out how to continue running the boom tube exhaust with the new motor and chassis :) That would be music to my (bleeding) ears!

Streetking 08-23-2013 02:58 PM

Great numbers, congrats!!

Flash68 08-23-2013 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 500925)
I couldn't tell ya....I dont do cone zones :lol:

Ok fine let's meet at Adams in the spring for their big autocross without cones? That better? :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 500930)
Yes but things happen fast with high grip and horsepower..........



...........and those guys have state of the art traction control and I don't want to see you holding a yard sale anytime soon. :D

I am listening... what would you have me do that is not already done or in process?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 500933)
I left out option 3) Pull over in on escape road and wait, then pull out in front and block him like Big Wanda. :unibrow:

:lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad-1stGen (Post 500973)
Badass numbers Dave!!

Will have to swing by Brett's new shop for a tour when you get your car down here.

I just hope you have figured out how to continue running the boom tube exhaust with the new motor and chassis :) That would be music to my (bleeding) ears!

Thanks Chadwick... Brett and I talked about the boomtube and we are committed to making it work.. or at least the majority of it. I have added a little something to tone down the note just a tad... but not too much. :)

Track Junky 08-23-2013 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 500986)
Ok fine let's meet at Adams in the spring for their big autocross without cones? That better? :D

Your first track day with that beast is going to be at Adams? Boy, you'll really going to get a chance to stretch her legs their :lol:

Just kiddin' Bro........we're going to have some good times when she's done :thumbsup:

Flash68 08-23-2013 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 500990)
Your first track day with that beast is going to be at Adams? Boy, you'll really going to get a chance to stretch her legs their :lol:

Just kiddin' Bro........we're going to have some good times when she's done :thumbsup:

I never said it'd be my first track day. :computer: I think a good first track day might be Willow Springs after Brett is done with it... I like the Extreme Speed group and have run with them twice before down there.

And good times are brewin I agree. :D

Track Junky 08-23-2013 03:34 PM

All I can say is I cant wait to see that beast run. She's going to be meaner than a junk yard dog :yes: :cheers:

Flash68 08-23-2013 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Streetking (Post 500984)
Great numbers, congrats!!

Thanks SW... pretty pedestrian numbers for you. :D


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