I almost forgot. Kyle said the frame allows a 10 inch wide tire without modifing the inner fender. I thought that was pretty sweet. :thumbsup:Mike

10" tire up front is real cool, especially when you make a turn and it turns freely without binding or hitting the sub frame. My WD sub in the Aluminator always hit the sway bar with sharp turns, not good for drive thru's. LOL.

If you are like myself and want a rack on your sub (because you just like racks), I think you only have the high end models (DSE, 21st, WD) to consider.

I know Alston has a rack, but it has dated technology and a rear mount sway bar that they don't see a need to offer an option on. Most annoyingly, a list of proprietary crossmembers for everything but a T-56. I don't think the Foose Camaros are running them anymore, they mention a "tubular" sub frame in their new literature. I have also read some unflattering comments about flex from a pro builder on Martz frames.

I think there is an opportunity for WD's "new" frame that accepts the DSE conversion stuff, plus a rack in the sub market based on price. I figure that if WD markets his frame for around 2500-2600 with rack and sway bar, it would sell pretty good. Add in 1850 for the DSE stuff and 6-650 for some AFX spindles, you could have a DSE spec, Modified stock sub WITH a rack for 5-5200 w/out brakes? Oh, and fix the single point shear mounts on the back LCAs. How about it WD? Time to update the ol website.

I have been bitching and moaning about the price of DSE's sub, but I would like to eventually buy one after my next deployment. Kyle did mention the possibility of the sub's price increasing if it is very popular. I hope this doesn't happen in the next 6 months or so. I wish they had a lay away plan! :unibrow:

Those of you who want real numbers, get in line. I think most of us do. Do I race? No. Do I drive like I'm racing? Pretty damn often. Will I feel the difference between the stock geometry and the new subrame's geometry? It's likely I won't, but I WILL notice the better steering response, feedback, and other little things. A friend of mine didn't think he could make his Z06 handle any better. Now he thinks the T-1 sway bars he put on the car are god. You can tell the difference if you drive the car hard enough, and he regularly goes in the local hills and races motorcycles. Yeah, he leaves a few of them in the turns.

Now, if you want to see it in person you're going to have to make a little trip. Go to the Pro-Touring.com "Run Through the Hills" sponsored by MuscleRides.com. (sorry for the advertising Scott) Kyle and Stacey will be there with the blue "test" car and will be putting the front subframe through the paces. You'll witness what it can do, and you'll get input directly from the people who put it out. They had the car on the Power Tour and it apparently performed admirably. Make your decisions after they throw it around some cones and cruise the hills in it.

What other company is out testing their stuff on real cars with potential lay buyers watching, pretty cool.

So just as a confirmation the $6700 includes the rack, shocks (coil-overs), spindles, sway bar etc? everything minus the brakes? What kind (brand, model, type) of components does it have other than C6 spindles? Are they all proprietary one offs? or any off the shelf pieces?

Trev

Well, XV Motorsports will be there (the Mopar guys) and Air Ride Technologies will be trashing the course as well. Should be VERY interesting..

Sounds fun, what are the dates.

Sept 15-17th.. in Pigeon Forge TN.. should be a blast. Some nice cars will be there including the newly crowned Street Machine of the Year..

Speaking of prices, I spent $10 for one small slice of cardboard with 2 pepperoni's on it and a medium lemonade at GG Columbus!! LOL. Heck auto parts seem half off compared to the food at these events!!LOL.