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fleet 03-30-2010 09:21 PM

Seems like a 700+ crank hp motor.

Steve1968LS2 03-30-2010 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 279008)
Seems like a 700+ crank hp motor.

Some have thought that.. but it really isn't a crazy huge camshaft.. I'm sorta more hoping for 650 and 620tq with a ton of that twist down low and in the the midrange.

700 is a bit much.. I could have gotten then with a more aggressive cam, but I want to keep my street manners.

243/259 .624 114LSA

fleet 03-30-2010 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2 (Post 279010)
Some have thought that.. but it really isn't a crazy huge camshaft.. I'm sorta more hoping for 650 and 620tq with a ton of that twist down low and in the the midrange.

700 is a bit much.. I could have gotten then with a more aggressive cam, but I want to keep my street manners.

243/259 .624 114LSA

It will be fun to hear how it transforms the car on the track.

Should be an interesting dyno session. I think most were surprised when you made 499 hp with that little LS for Track Rat.

Steve1968LS2 03-30-2010 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 279015)
It will be fun to hear how it transforms the car on the track.

Should be an interesting dyno session. I think most were surprised when you made 499 hp with that little LS for Track Rat.

Yea, me too.. lol

I will be curious when we chassis dyno TR to see if the RW numbers jive with the engine dyno numbers..

Then again.. you almost have to try these days NOT to make 500 HP with an LS engine.

fleet 03-30-2010 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2 (Post 279010)
Some have thought that.. but it really isn't a crazy huge camshaft.. I'm sorta more hoping for 650 and 620tq with a ton of that twist down low and in the the midrange.

700 is a bit much.. I could have gotten then with a more aggressive cam, but I want to keep my street manners.

243/259 .624 114LSA

Not doubting the choice in cams, just interested in what info was used to choose those cam specs?

Flash68 03-30-2010 11:49 PM

Beautiful motor. I'm gonna guess 672hp and 638 ft#s.

Giddyup.

tones2SS 03-31-2010 06:42 AM

Very nice Steve!!!
I'm going to guess anywhere between 650 and 675 ponies. GOOD LUCK!:thumbsup:

Steve1968LS2 03-31-2010 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 279017)
Not doubting the choice in cams, just interested in what info was used to choose those cam specs?

Talking with the guys over at COMP.. they have some really sharp LS guys. The cam for the 460 I'm building next is just a touch bigger.

Vegas69 03-31-2010 07:38 AM

I don't know if the ATI balancer is new but make sure the bolts that hold it together don't stick out far enough to throw your crank pulley out of alignment. I had to add one brake caliper shim between the pulley and balancer. Just a friendly heads up. If you can feel them with your finger nail, you better shim it.

Steve1968LS2 03-31-2010 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 279085)
I don't know if the ATI balancer is new but make sure the bolts that hold it together don't stick out far enough to throw your crank pulley out of alignment. I had to add one brake caliper shim between the pulley and balancer. Just a friendly heads up. If you can feel them with your finger nail, you better shim it.

LS engines.. at least mine, don't have crank pullys.. the belt rides on the dampner itself.

But yea, with a pulley I can see where that would be a problem.

Vegas69 03-31-2010 08:04 AM

Duh...it's early. Let's see them dyno numbers and video. :thumbsup:

fleet 03-31-2010 08:16 AM

They show a 5.3L being 325 cid and you made 499 hp which is approx 1.54 hp per cu in.

If you could do that again you'd make 697 hp.

214Chevy 03-31-2010 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2 (Post 278950)
Built the engine today over at Turn Key Engine Supply..

Penny's new alum 454:

4.185 bores using Darton's MID sleeves. Wiseco pistons.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2nc408o.jpg

454 Ready to head off to Westech for dyno runs on Wednesday.. any guesses? 72cc TF 235 heads with 9.235 deck height and Cometic gaskets should yield 11.3:1 compression.
http://i43.tinypic.com/10rmzi8.jpg

Will start the install on Friday. The Canton oil pan is off at our tig welder getting a little mod.

Maaaaaaan, that engine is beautiful!! Some of us will kill for an engine like that.

Steve1968LS2 03-31-2010 05:46 PM

Today was dyno day.. my guess (what I hoped for) was 650/620.. turned out to be a decent guess.

While the cam we're running is large compared to other LS cams it's not that big considering the displacement of the engine. COMP said I could pick up a bunch of tq/hp by moving to a more aggressive 112 LSA, but drivability and idle would suffer.

Since I don't want too much power and I want to keep my street friendly drivability we settled on a 114 LSA.

Fired right up.. idle was good and after some break in time Westech made some pulls and adjusted the A/F..

Best pull was 650 hp and 613 tq.. but the best part is that even down at 3500 rpm it's already making 550 lb/ft. The torque peeks at around 4600 and is still well over 500 up at 6500. That's the kind of torque curve I was looking for - flat and a bit weighted to the bottom/midrange area.

Friday we start installing.. this engine should serve me well while I CAREFULLY build my RHS blocked / Mast Motorsport headed 460 engine.

Ready to rumble:
http://i41.tinypic.com/23rwx1y.jpg

Corrected graph: (correction factor was 1.042ish)
http://i39.tinypic.com/2hrputy.jpg

Steve1968LS2 03-31-2010 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 279097)
They show a 5.3L being 325 cid and you made 499 hp which is approx 1.54 hp per cu in.

If you could do that again you'd make 697 hp.

Law of diminishing returns... :yes:

Speedster 03-31-2010 05:50 PM

Wow Steve. That looks great.

Nice torque numbers and curve. That'll be a blast in Penny... :yes:

Gandalf 03-31-2010 06:06 PM

"Best pull was 650 hp and 613 tq.. but the best part is that even down at 3500 rpm it's already making 550 lb/ft"

:woot:

Nice numbers Steve - Big Block numbers for sure. Now we will really get to see Penny's suspension and brakes working-it-out on the track!

Steve1968LS2 03-31-2010 07:14 PM

Here's a little video for you guys.. turn your speakers up and rock out to the LS goodness..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6daS8Fae4k

nvr2fst 03-31-2010 08:16 PM

Nice pull Steve. Race Engine Development does some nice work on sleeving.. hey. Now you can have all the future power adders you want for next years rebuild LOL. What ever happened to the RHS block?

fleet 03-31-2010 08:24 PM

Great tq numbers at 3500. :thumbsup:

You mentioned doing a 460.

What will it be going into?

Similar specs to the 454?

Vegas69 03-31-2010 09:18 PM

While it's not quite what I expected it's a perfect engine for what we do. The torque curve is beautiful. I'm betting you'll be happier with the results in the car than you were when you walked out of the engine shop. We put a 110 LSA in mine and it's not quite as happy say between 1200-1600 slowing down in gear. It bucks some now where it didn't before. I can still pull any gear from 1600 up with no problem. I'd leave it and enjoy. :thumbsup:

Steve1968LS2 03-31-2010 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nvr2fst (Post 279269)
Nice pull Steve. Race Engine Development does some nice work on sleeving.. hey. Now you can have all the future power adders you want for next years rebuild LOL. What ever happened to the RHS block?

That engine is in process and will replace this one at the end of the summer.. It's on the "high end" side and I couldn't get it done in time.. and I didn't want my car to sit for months waiting.

I will make similar power.. maybe a bit more due to the better Mast heads, but it will have a higher quality rotating assembley and a few other widgets that I prefer.

No power adders.. all NA.. simple, reliable, and lightweight.

Steve1968LS2 03-31-2010 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 279294)
While it's not quite what I expected it's a perfect engine for what we do. The torque curve is beautiful. I'm betting you'll be happier with the results in the car than you were when you walked out of the engine shop. We put a 110 LSA in mine and it's not quite as happy say between 1200-1600 slowing down in gear. It bucks some now where it didn't before. I can still pull any gear from 1600 up with no problem. I'd leave it and enjoy. :thumbsup:

Oh, I'm happy.. I know I could have made better "magazine numbers" but that wasn't the goal.. it fell in right where I wanted. A gain of 70hp and 80 lbs of torque. :)

tones2SS 04-01-2010 07:51 AM

Very nice Steve. Let us know how it works out for you on the track.
ENJOY!!:thumbsup:

Vegas69 04-01-2010 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2 (Post 279308)
Oh, I'm happy.. I know I could have made better "magazine numbers" but that wasn't the goal.. it fell in right where I wanted. A gain of 70hp and 80 lbs of torque. :)

Sometimes we have to swallow our pride. It's easy to go for that peak number that won't fit the application. You'll definitely feel that extra power and I agree, your pushing your chassis to the max with that much extra power anyway.

Rybar 04-01-2010 10:51 AM

Awesome numbers Steve, will this motor be for sale when you swap in the 460?

I'm running a 112 LSA on my 346 and don't find the street manners all that bad. With 454 cubes it would have been no problem. But I understand you are going for more torque down low.

So do I get a prize for guessing the exact power level? :unibrow:

Payton King 04-01-2010 12:04 PM

Great Numbers Steve!
 
a 114? I am running a 110 in a stock cube LS1. Looks like you got just what you wanted.

Looking forward to driving impressions.

Steve1968LS2 04-01-2010 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rybar (Post 279372)
Awesome numbers Steve, will this motor be for sale when you swap in the 460?

I'm running a 112 LSA on my 346 and don't find the street manners all that bad. With 454 cubes it would have been no problem. But I understand you are going for more torque down low.

So do I get a prize for guessing the exact power level? :unibrow:

Sure, what do you want? :)

I just figured the extra power would only be good for bragging rights.. this way I get the power I think the car can handle and excellent street manners.

The nice part is that if the car can hook this then more power is just a cam swap away. :yes:

Sales@Dutchboys 04-01-2010 09:43 PM

Looking good! Cant wait to see Penny this summer Steve.:thumbsup:

Paul

Rybar 04-02-2010 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2 (Post 279467)
Sure, what do you want? :)

I just figured the extra power would only be good for bragging rights.. this way I get the power I think the car can handle and excellent street manners.

The nice part is that if the car can hook this then more power is just a cam swap away. :yes:

For sure a cam swap is easy. I was joking about the prize. :cheers:

rogue 04-02-2010 11:07 AM

damnit penny got faster :willy:

guess its time to rip my motor apart. :lol:

Nice Steve.

Steve1968LS2 04-04-2010 09:48 PM

Instead of hunting Easter eggs today we did this...

http://i44.tinypic.com/i4mrt3.jpg

Thanks to D!ck over at BOS for helping me swing the new drivetrain into place. Tomorrow I start plugging everything in and installing the drive system.

So far, so good...

Spiffav8 04-05-2010 03:22 AM

Nice! :d

98ssnova 04-05-2010 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2 (Post 279945)
Instead of hunting Easter eggs today we did this...

http://i44.tinypic.com/i4mrt3.jpg

Thanks to D!ck over at BOS for helping me swing the new drivetrain into place. Tomorrow I start plugging everything in and installing the drive system.

So far, so good...

Stave are you switching your clutch resivor out because you have 2 on there or is this some secret you are not sharing with us:question:

tones2SS 04-05-2010 06:46 AM

Very nice Steve.
GOOD LUCK!:thumbsup:

Steve1968LS2 04-05-2010 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 98ssnova (Post 279965)
Stave are you switching your clutch resivor out because you have 2 on there or is this some secret you are not sharing with us:question:

Just haven't plumbed in the new Ring Brothers reservoir. The secrets are still secret.. :_paranoid

Steve1968LS2 04-05-2010 10:02 PM

Another 12-hour day.

Engine was wired up today, exhaust installed, fuel system is almost back together. Installed my new Turn One power steering pump along with a few more goodies and plumbed the oil system.

Might fire up tomorrow.. or Wednesday. Inner fenders are in paint and the lower valance is going to get clear filmed tomorrow.

Pretty much a car again. :)

http://i43.tinypic.com/fzc2g3.jpg

Payton King 04-06-2010 05:32 AM

Lookin' good my man
 
I know you are tired of sitting on the sidelines and ready to drive.

I hope the rest goes smoothly

GregWeld 04-06-2010 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Payton King (Post 280261)
I know you are tired of sitting on the sidelines and ready to drive.

I hope the rest goes smoothly

Payton....

You ever meet Steve? This is not a man that you'll find 'sitting'.... :rofl:

The car looks great Steve! As I told you at RTTC - love the oil plumbing! :cheers:

camcojb 04-06-2010 08:00 AM

love that car Steve, looks great.

Jody


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