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Matt@BOS 11-30-2012 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PonchoJohn (Post 449232)
Neat build- any "updates" on it?

Yes, I have made some progress on it. The body is entirely in primer, however I still need to modify the tail panel to fit. It is about 1/2-3/4" too short at the bottom. Right now I'm working on getting the nose of the car together, and have been modifying a Shelby "R" front valance with some recessed park lights. I haven't put up any pictures lately because photobucket's new site is annoying.

Oh, and Payton, the Camaro is mostly back together and the entire car is up at the engine builders. We had some set backs with the RHS Pro Elite LS7 heads not fitting because RHS regretted disclose or inform anyone of how differently shaped their combustion chambers were on their "LS7" head. They list the head as 69cc vs. 70cc but don't state anywhere in their literature that you may need a non LS7 shaped piston depending on whether you are/aren't running a flat, domed, or dished. Anyway, I'm hoping to have it on the road by the end of next week, but realistically only care about being done before Ron. :lol:

GregWeld 11-30-2012 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 449277)
Anyway, I'm hoping to have it on the road by the end of next week, but realistically only care about being done before Ron. :lol:



I have projects I haven't even dreamed of yet that can make that "date".

fleet 11-30-2012 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 449280)
I have projects I haven't even dreamed of yet that can make that "date".

:lol:

Double ouch!



http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/St.gif

Ron in SoCal 11-30-2012 01:40 PM

Somewhere Dave Gordon is smiling, thinking 'finally it's someone else's turn'...:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Matt@BOS 11-30-2012 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 449288)
Somewhere Dave Gordon is smiling, thinking 'finally it's someone else's turn'...:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hey, Dave shouldn't feel bad. All I re-used from my sweet score of an engine were the crank, connecting rods and oddly enough, the cam. The balance job on the crank was shady, even the ARP needed to be fixed. Figure that one out!

LUACE 12-06-2012 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 445783)
I could, but I'm looking for something that will make as much power as my 454 LS7. :_paranoid

I've been looking at some Ford pushrod crate motors because of their compact size, allowing me to tuck and set the engine back, but by the time I get through pricing out fuel injection, aluminum blocks, and 600-650hp capability they seem to get expensive. It also sounds stupid, but I'd like to get decent gas mileage out of it when cruising around town. I keep coming back to the Coyote mod motor with a magna charger because it is probably the only new blower that will fit under the hood. That setup probably weighs 25lbs more than a blown LS. With a big tire up front I'm not too worried about weight distribution. My 3800lb gt500 handles pretty well with 57 percent weight up front.

If any Ford guys have recommendations, please chime in! Links would be even better. I don't know much about Windsors or Clevors or FEs, etc.

Matt

Have you checked out Edelbrock's Supercharged 5.0L Coyote Crate Engine (700 HP & 606 TQ)? It sounds like a beast...
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_...0-coyote.shtml

Matt@BOS 12-07-2012 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by LUACE (Post 450429)
Have you checked out Edelbrock's Supercharged 5.0L Coyote Crate Engine (700 HP & 606 TQ)? It sounds like a beast...
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_...0-coyote.shtml

Louis, I actually stumbled across that a couple days ago. I'm interested to see what they want for the package. It looks like it is just a Ford Racing Aluminator crate engine with an Edelbrock supercharger, wiring harness and alternator bolted on. I would still need to figure out power steering and an intercooler.

fleet 12-11-2012 10:39 AM

S/C Coyote sounds amazing
 

Matt@BOS 12-11-2012 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 451249)

Skip, thanks for finding that. I've always been of the opinion that 4 valve mod motors with headers sound cooler than LS engines. With that said, I decided on an engine. I'm going to order a Boss 302 mod motor from Jegs. 444 hp and 380 ft/lbs of torque. It has the best flowing heads out there with a great valvetrain, and slightly more aggressive cams than in the GT. The rotating assembly is fully forged to boot. I'll throw on some long tube headers, eight stack injection, and get a nice tune for it. I think that combo should be good for at least 520ish at the crank. It should also rev to the moon. with stack injection it will probably make power all the way to 8000 rpm. This route definitely won't make the most power, but it offers factory oem tested durability.

If it is slow (insert Ford joke here) I can always slap a blower and maybe even some new pistons in it, depending on boost levels.

fleet 12-11-2012 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 451305)
Skip, thanks for finding that. I've always been of the opinion that 4 valve mod motors with headers sound cooler than LS engines. With that said, I decided on an engine. I'm going to order a Boss 302 mod motor from Jegs. 444 hp and 380 ft/lbs of torque. It has the best flowing heads out there with a great valvetrain, and slightly more aggressive cams than in the GT. The rotating assembly is fully forged to boot. I'll throw on some long tube headers, eight stack injection, and get a nice tune for it. I think that combo should be good for at least 520ish at the crank. It should also rev to the moon. with stack injection it will probably make power all the way to 8000 rpm. This route definitely won't make the most power, but it offers factory oem tested durability.

If it is slow (insert Ford joke here) I can always slap a blower and maybe even some new pistons in it, depending on boost levels.

Glad you enjoyed it; they sound better than I expected. :cool:

Got another car to build first, but I can think of a number of Fords I'd put the same motor in that you've chosen.

FETorino 12-11-2012 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 451317)
Glad you enjoyed it; they sound better than I expected. :cool:

Got another car to build first, but I can think of a number of Fords I'd put the same motor in that you've chosen.

I can think of a couple :unibrow: A blue one and an orange one.:rofl:

fleet 12-11-2012 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 451323)
I can think of a couple :unibrow: A blue one and an orange one.:rofl:




$.25 on the orange and $.25 on the blue?



:lol:

Matt@BOS 12-11-2012 10:43 PM

You guys are something else. :lol:

Ok, question of the day. What is a good photo hosting side other than photo bucket. I've had it with their site and all of it's format and browser issues. If you don't tell me, I will just have to keep the pictures of my aluma-frame install to myself.

Flash68 12-11-2012 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 451337)
You guys are something else. :lol:

Ok, question of the day. What is a good photo hosting side other than photo bucket. I've had it with their site and all of it's format and browser issues. If you don't tell me, I will just have to keep the pictures of my aluma-frame install to myself.

Just click back to the old version. Although that probably won't be around forever.

Flickr maybe?

enzo 12-12-2012 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 451337)
You guys are something else. :lol:

Ok, question of the day. What is a good photo hosting side other than photo bucket. I've had it with their site and all of it's format and browser issues. If you don't tell me, I will just have to keep the pictures of my aluma-frame install to myself.

Shutterfly...

If you PM me your email address i will add you to my sharesite for the Chevelle.

fleet 12-12-2012 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 451337)
You guys are something else. :lol:

Ok, question of the day. What is a good photo hosting side other than photo bucket. I've had it with their site and all of it's format and browser issues. If you don't tell me, I will just have to keep the pictures of my aluma-frame install to myself.

Matt,

I know what you're saying about PB, and I have the same question.

I wonder if they're owned by Netflix?

Or RIM?


:lol:

dontlifttoshift 12-12-2012 05:34 AM

SmugMug....it's not free but it is awesome to work with and easy to use. Image inserts are cakewalk for the forum and there are phone apps so that you have access to your entire photo library from where ever.

I have been with them for 2 years now and have not had a problem.

fleet 12-12-2012 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dontlifttoshift (Post 451359)
SmugMug....it's not free but it is awesome to work with and easy to use. Image inserts are cakewalk for the forum and there are phone apps so that you have access to your entire photo library from where ever.

I have been with them for 2 years now and have not had a problem.

Thanks for the feedback. :thumbsup:

Thoughts here on this one?

http://imageshack.us/

DOOM 12-12-2012 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 451305)
Skip, thanks for finding that. I've always been of the opinion that 4 valve mod motors with headers sound cooler than LS engines. With that said, I decided on an engine. I'm going to order a Boss 302 mod motor from Jegs. 444 hp and 380 ft/lbs of torque. It has the best flowing heads out there with a great valvetrain, and slightly more aggressive cams than in the GT. The rotating assembly is fully forged to boot. I'll throw on some long tube headers, eight stack injection, and get a nice tune for it. I think that combo should be good for at least 520ish at the crank. It should also rev to the moon. with stack injection it will probably make power all the way to 8000 rpm. This route definitely won't make the most power, but it offers factory oem tested durability.

If it is slow (insert Ford joke here) I can always slap a blower and maybe even some new pistons in it, depending on boost levels.

:willy: :willy: :willy: :willy: :willy: :willy: :willy: :willy: :bow: :bow: :bow: :cheers:

WSSix 12-12-2012 07:06 AM

I like your plan, Matt. 8 stack on a mod motor will look great.

GregWeld 12-12-2012 08:14 AM

http://www.smugmug.com

fleet 12-12-2012 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 451382)

Smugmug, huh?

Sounds like one of your companies.




:woot:

GrabberGT 12-12-2012 12:37 PM

I prefer Picasa. Easy to use and friendly to visitors.

GrabberGT 12-12-2012 12:42 PM

Coyote 8 stack


E.rodz 12-12-2012 09:41 PM

Matt wow the car looks great I love the low slung look how I missed this thread I don't know it looks great the only thing this thread is more pictures!!!!! its like reading text books in school bla bla bla show us more pictures just kidding keep up the great work and pick a ford motor perhaps a twin turbo v6 would fit better then the 4 valve super huge new ford motors, but you can also do a little more back tracking and cutting to get this to fit as well you have the skills and your making us proud already so don't stop now!!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Matt@BOS 12-13-2012 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by E.rodz (Post 451519)
Matt wow the car looks great I love the low slung look how I missed this thread I don't know it looks great the only thing this thread is more pictures!!!!! its like reading text books in school bla bla bla show us more pictures just kidding keep up the great work and pick a ford motor perhaps a twin turbo v6 would fit better then the 4 valve super huge new ford motors, but you can also do a little more back tracking and cutting to get this to fit as well you have the skills and your making us proud already so don't stop now!!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks Eric! Glad you're enjoying watching this car come together. I cut out the shock towers this week, so I should have plenty of space for a big fat mod motor. I would move the engine back a couple inches, but I don't think it would fit under the cowl. :_paranoid

ironworks 12-13-2012 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 451625)
Thanks Eric! Glad you're enjoying watching this car come together. I cut out the shock towers this week, so I should have plenty of space for a big fat mod motor. I would move the engine back a couple inches, but I don't think it would fit under the cowl. :_paranoid

So lengthen the hood and move the whole cowl and firewall back. We do it all the time. Makes it look nice.

Matt@BOS 12-13-2012 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 451630)
So lengthen the hood and move the whole cowl and firewall back. We do it all the time. Makes it look nice.

But, but... that would involve putting a Chevy style cowl hood on it, and at that point I might as well just throw a Chevy motor in it. I'm also not sure that my current builder is talented enough to fabricate that to an aesthetic and functional level that I would be happy with. I've heard there are some guys out in Bakersfield, and... Damn it, I'm at a loss for Bakersfield jokes at the moment.

Matt@BOS 12-16-2012 06:34 PM

Ok, got things working with photobucket on my computer. I went to upload photos and realized I had been slacking on progress. I also realized I'm not a prolific picture taker like others on here. There are lots of different parts of the build that I took pictures of, but most of the time I failed to capture either the beginning, middle, or end of each little sub project. :lol:

The drip rails had little patches of rust, and while it would have been easier to shave them off, I really wanted to leave behind as many classic elements of the car as possible. On my Camaro I wanted to incorporate a bit of a modern grand touring vibe to an old muscle car, but on the Mustang I'm try to stay away from a flashy car show custom type of look. So, off I went making new section of the drip rails. It probably took me 25 plus hours to get the shape right so that the trim would fit. At this rate, I need to hire a pro if I ever want to finish.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/o...psd81e6f5f.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/o...ps081a671d.jpg

Next I had to replace the "rear cowl panel." the edge around the glass, as well as the metal under it was all rusted out and everything underneath had to be made from scratch. I need to give a hat tip to Craig of Paradise Wheels in San Marcos for lending me some original fastback glass to test fit. Craig owns and maintains vintage race cars, (mostly Shelbys). If you're in the area, his shop is worth dropping by.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/o...psb6865e20.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/o...ps9fd16e34.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/o...psa6f81139.jpg


http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/o...ps9fc805e5.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/o...ps33e14f8a.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/o...psa05f1e80.jpg

Finally with the main parts of the body in primer, it was time to work on the front of the car. I've always like the the Shelby "R" valance, but have also been bothered by the fact that it looks to awkardly cluttered with holes. So, how does one go about making it better? By adding Camaro parts, of course!
I started with the old busted up fiberglass Marquez Design '69 Camaro front valance. I cut out everything but the rounded mounting ring, which I used to locate the park lights, and then filled in the rest with fiberglass/Fiberal. For the amount of space I needed to fill (3.5" max) the fiberal was more than strong enough, and much easier to sculpt with than fiberglass.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/o...ps0c620b53.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/o...ps3e470368.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/o...psa3c78a52.jpg

Right now the front end is back off the car so that I can install the aluma-frame. When it goes back together the BOS body shop with clean up where I left off, get everything to a presentable level of fit and finish and prime it!

Matt

GregWeld 12-16-2012 06:43 PM

So happy to see you're not just another pretty face!


:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

ironworks 12-16-2012 08:32 PM

Just when I was looking to catch up on the latest who is dating who and all that in the san Diego area and your actually back on topic. BORING

WSSix 12-16-2012 08:43 PM

I like the incorporation of the Camaro lights:thumbsup: Good job

Ron in SoCal 12-16-2012 08:53 PM

I'm diggin it Matt...:thumbsup: Tell me, no replacement metal for the rear window channel available? Front valance looks good :cheers:

Matt@BOS 12-16-2012 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by WSSix (Post 452152)
I like the incorporation of the Camaro lights:thumbsup: Good job

Thanks Trey!

Ron, as far as I know, no one makes the piece of metal for the window channel.

Rodger, OMG txt me for stories, LOL.

Flash68 12-16-2012 11:36 PM

http://www.yellowbullet.com/classifi...php?view=24940

waynieZ 12-17-2012 10:26 AM

Looking good Matt

FETorino 12-17-2012 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 452165)

Should either of you be looking at second hand motors? :rolleyes: Actually should anyone take your advice on buying a second hand motor? :rolleyes:

Car looks good Matt.

Matt@BOS 12-18-2012 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 452278)
Should either of you be looking at second hand motors? :rolleyes: Actually should anyone take your advice on buying a second hand motor? :rolleyes:

Car looks good Matt.

Hey, I can't speak for Dave, but I got a good deal on a rotating assembly, heads, and oil pan, which just happened to be bolted up to a block.

That stroked 4.6 is tempting, and a year ago I would have jumped all over it, but now I think I would rather have more of a high winding road race engine that comes directly from Ford Racing so I can be guaranteed that it hasn't been blessed by morons. I drove a 458 Italia on a track last year, and while it wasn't the fastest car I've ever driven, I was surprised that it never once felt like it was lugging down low without gobs of torque.

I'm looking at these right now. I'm not sure if there is any appreciable difference between the two. It looks like the 302R comes with a huge oil pan and a manual transmission wiring harness. Engine wise they appear to be very similar. I've heard the 302R gets wrung out to 8000 RPM. It doesn't say what power it makes. It just says "over 444hp," :unibrow:

http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/...ne-M-6007-M50b

http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/...ngine-Assembly

syborg tt 12-18-2012 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 452385)
Hey, I can't speak for Dave, but I got a good deal on a rotating assembly, heads, and oil pan, which just happened to be bolted up to a block.

That stroked 4.6 is tempting, and a year ago I would have jumped all over it, but now I think I would rather have more of a high winding road race engine that comes directly from Ford Racing so I can be guaranteed that it hasn't been blessed by morons. I drove a 458 Italia on a track last year, and while it wasn't the fastest car I've ever driven, I was surprised that it never once felt like it was lugging down low without gobs of torque.

I'm looking at these right now. I'm not sure if there is any appreciable difference between the two. It looks like the 302R comes with a huge oil pan and a manual transmission wiring harness. Engine wise they appear to be very similar. I've heard the 302R gets wrung out to 8000 RPM. It doesn't say what power it makes. It just says "over 444hp," :unibrow:

http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/...ne-M-6007-M50b

http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/...ngine-Assembly

This is an awesome project and I am hoping you buy one of the Boss 302 motors.

Last night I looked at a new light green Boss 302 and almost pulled the trigger. The new motor is awesome

Matt@BOS 12-18-2012 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by syborg tt (Post 452404)
This is an awesome project and I am hoping you buy one of the Boss 302 motors.

Last night I looked at a new light green Boss 302 and almost pulled the trigger. The new motor is awesome

Nice, did you take it for a spin? What were your impressions?

I also just found this the new "Aluminator XS" but judging from the cam specs, this is not what I want for a road race engine. 263/290 on a little 302. :wow:


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