Egg sack lee....



It's the perfect description. I know this first hand because it's happened to me every time I THOUGHT I should be able to keep up with "X" car that just blew by me like I was hooked to a fire hydrant.... then I suddenly would find the loud pedal and try to stay up with him/her.... And then the talent runs out.


It's not a PUT DOWN Ron.... which apparently you think it is... rather -- it's an accurate description of what happens when you are driving over your head far enough to get yourself and the car in trouble.

Trying to "explore your limits" with other people and their cars on the track is not the place to be doing that. The limit should be when you're IN CONTROL of your car at all times... go beyond that and you put other peoples equipment and their safety at jeopardy. It took me about three + track events to discover this.

This is why I point people by --- I'm still a newb at this --- and I'm running Green group with other very experienced drivers.... so the way to explore is to learn from their line -- see if you can stay somewhere near them... and get some seat time etc. As soon as I find myself at MY limits - I've learned to back off and let 'em go lest I run out of talent. LOL

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Yeah probably :D

Just to be clear, what Sieg posted and you said above was what I meant with this line:

"If one were to describe a heroic effort at a best lap or race win and didn't quite get there, that'd be technically correct IMO."

Rob stated it very well, I was more referring to the derogatory use some have displayed at track events, with the exeption of "that guy" (asswipe) as I put it.

I also think you don't wreck someone else's car, and self depreciating humor is always fun.

Here's where I take umbrage at the "running out of talent".... If I say that to Sieg... that would imply that he started with some.

I couldn't spell it right without spell check. :sieg:

Hey that was my line :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Sieg your video looked pretty good except that one gear crunching episode.:D

Smooth, if conservative, lines and if I were driving something that expensive I didn't own I'd be using less than all of the track also.

I liked your original post better!



HAHAHAHAHAHA

You said umbrage...:lol: :lmao: :lol: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

For those that don't skip right to the end t he post is still there and will provide a good story line.

Found it. 2:11.77 according to my timing:



IMO I left a lot of time on the table in that lap: T1 (respect), T2 (5+mph), T4 (line & throttle), T5b (throttle), T6 (line), T7 (little lift), T8 (line & little lift), T10 (early off throttle, early on brakes, shallow exit), off the throttle before the bridge on the back straight, traffic T14-T15, trailing throttle at the flag tower. That car is too much fun to drive! :D

Thank you..........thank you very much. :D

Don't think I ever crunched one but missed a few short-shifting thus being out my routine.........I'm easily confused :sieg: and that cable shifter isn't nearly as tight as the Hurst on my T56.

That car is very confidence inspiring thus you really have to keep yourself in check. It just begs you to keep pushing it harder. I never had even a hint of a "moment" in two days.

I ordered new shift cables yesterday from Sector 111.... and a new shift knob with more "weight"...


With the Yokohama A005's in Soft compound -- a few other little things added... it should be even easier - thus more fun - to drive.



I must say -- for those that don't know us very well --- we have a great time doing all of this!

I saw those goodies on their site this morning. More fun.......:rofl:

Quite possibly the understatement of 2014. :thumbsup:

Geez, what a knitting club over-analysis of something. :sieg:

Mary Pozzi has been using that phrase for years in this community and she probably heard it from someone who'd been using it for umpteen years prior to that.

If you don't have talent, then there's nothing to worry about.

If you do have talent, don't run out of it while your buddies are around and/or while the GoPro is running. :goggles:

Brian -- nice times on street tires. Looks like you got some work to do, Gaetano. :mock:

We been using that term "he ran out of talent" and "he had it under control right up until he lost it" for 20+ years.

It's funny reading this tonight because the guy pitted next to us crashed, we asked what happen? He said "I just ran out of talent while trying to make that pass"

It's fairly common parlance amongst racers. In that context it isn't meant as an insult. It's a means of explaining in simplest terms that at the absolute limit sometimes stuff happens that one simply is unable to compensate for. "Stuff" can be mechanical, or driver error and it happens to everyone. Schumacher ran out of talent once in a while, Senna once too often. Certainly doesn't make them lesser drivers.

That said, HPDE drivers should never be that close to the edge of the envelope of either the ability of themselves or the car.

Thanks for clarifying Brian.

What, I don't get a handicap for narrower track width, narrower tires, and sub par suspension? OK fine. Tell you what Cheese Ball........ If I knock down something in between 2:00 & 2:01.9 in a couple of weeks the nick name Cheese Ball is gonna grow legs to your neck. :unibrow:

With one guy lying, and the other guy swearing to it.....

Thanks for just crushing my dreams of ever getting near a 06 !! IF you can run that time I never will get close! UGH.... Slicks or no slicks...


For those that don't understand... the man can wheel a car around.



If you want to go for a track record Brian --- I'll buy the slicks! 'cause I think you could do it!

For those readers that don't do track days or racing....


Don't get caught up in the "times" quoted around here. There is no real comparison in lap times from one car to the next - so the DRIVER portion is completely useless.

In racing - there are classes with rules in an effort to keep the cars as similar as possible... THEN the driver comes in to play.

Here (this thread) - we're comparing lap times in completely dissimilar cars. Different weights - different horse power - different tires - different tire sizes... So the lap times are completely meaningless. There is no way of handicapping these times by saying - "yeah but... you got 900hp on street tires and I only have 590hp on X".... because the car's weight isn't baked in the cake etc.


It's all just for fun but is as useless as the cheese balls.

Greg, Impressive to get that close to Brian in that old heap. I'm just hoping you aren't in diapers by the time these bozos get their cars on the track. I'm looking forward to ripping on them for years about you smoking them on 245's.

Keep fueling the fire gramps :beavis: :lol:

I have used this on myself and others for a long time. No insult meant at all. It is just used to explain a driving failure of some type and not a mechanical failure. Can't blame the car on that one.

...........and that's when the fight started. :lol:

don't use your so called handicap for an excuss. Its your choice to be fast or not.

"FIGHT"

I'd have to say at this point my downfall is front shocks. Single adjustable QA-1's just don't cut the muster and even though I finally got the front to stick better I can still feel a bit of bounce. Hopefully in a couple of months we can get the chicane deal and the front coil overs installed.

You know what they say about the guy that makes too many changes at once don't you?

Talent is what keeps you out there on the edge of failure...once you have extended your reach of your personal talent, things break or you do things unintentionally. This includes your knowing the cars ability.

I ran out of talent at nearly every event I attended. That's how you learn the weaknesses of your car and driving skills. As you gain experience and confidence as a driver, you continue to find faults with your car as you gain speed. As you fix those faults, then it's back on you as a driver to find the line in the sand again.

Spoken for the truth

Good thing you quit when you did! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA




Sorry dude! Just couldn't help myself....

Greg, watch this video. It's obviously a much faster car than yours but look at his lines and then compare to yours. You are leaving a lot of track unused on many of the corner exits. You should be getting out to the curb/rumble strip most every corner. You could pick up the throttle much sooner if you used more of the track:gitrdun:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhHKQmHKzdA

The Superlite SLC, which is what Mike is driving in this video, is a pretty amazing machine. He is turning mid 1:40's here in endurance race trim with 480 hp, I believe. Our new Superlite LMP1 should be able to turn sub 1:40's at T-hill. The pucker factor going into turn one is going to be intense when turning that fast of a lap!!!

Oh stop it. You're right on the cusp with your sh!tty braking 245 car!

You're a heck of a sandbagger Weld. :mock:

It's good to see you have not stopped that trend in life. :gitrdun:

This is where I got my lines from -- 'cause I can't keep up with Charley to watch his and he doesn't own a video camera... LOL

Dave is an excellent guy to try and copy lines from! You can see how he uses the entire track. That video would have been even better if he did one lap with the engine noise so you could see how early he gets in the throttle and how late he brakes. The spec miata's are fantastic cars to teach you to become a faster, smoother driver because they handle well but have NO power (120hp or less), yet they can still run fast laps.

Pat ---


I'm showing this because IN MY MIND -- I still don't understand the "later turn in" concept. I'm going to have to be behind the wheel and try it to truly understand it. I see people doing it but have always thought "their line sucks". Yet you can often watch them pull away... although I manage to usually reel them in a turn or two later... so then think they're strategy was just "lucky" rather than good.


I'm willing to learn and to try... and part of that comes from Ron Sutton getting my cars squared away.

Ordinarily -- I know about cars and how they work. Lord knows I've built enough of them! But I am the first to admit that I know NOTHING about car handling or how to make them better or different etc. Thus my inclusion of Ron into the mix! And there the proof is in the pudding -- from a 2.20 to a 2.08 and less input from me in the process! Made it way more fun and felt way better.

I'm now a firm believer in getting the car dialed in -- which will allow me to adjust my driving - rather than just "getting thru it".

Just another quick "story".


I was 3 days into Bondurant Formula Mazda (open wheel) driving school --- and suddenly there's a CORVETTE in front of me! Odd -- okay -- even odder when I realize the guy is driving over every apex and he has one arm out the window pointing down to the apex when we go over them!

A couple laps of that (and I'm driving my ass off to keep up with the stupid one armed Corvette driver!) and he pulls off ---- and another lap and he's asking me to "come in".

I get "schooled" in "HITTING THE APEXS".... because it appeared that I was just getting near them --- often being a foot wide.... and me thinking that I'd hit them... NO!!! I need to hit them! And a foot wide was unacceptable... and shown on the white board that the foot miss here might have me miss the exit by a foot and I'd be off track. Okay --- from that point on I HIT every apex! It did help the room on the exit.

I know I'm not carrying enough speed when I have lots of room on exit -- and when I watch the video --- I've left entire towns between me and the exit. That's a "BALLS" issue.... apparently mine are quite small.

As Ron dials in the grip and braking on the old girl --- I will try to find a bit more manhood. And a better line should be the result.

:thumbsup:

More grip and better brakes directly correlate to bigger balls!!! I'm not kidding either. I am sure you feel much more confident driving the Lotus versus the Mustang because of the fact that is has more grip and much better brakes. Being so light helps a bunch as well.

You have some good lap times and you are only using 50 -75% of the track on exit in some turns!! Think about how fast your times will be with more grip, better brakes, and when you use the whole track. :trophy-1302:

I'm scared already!



LOL

Here's a video about Willow