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Kenny 02-21-2013 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlC (Post 463488)
I have an oil over-cooing condition for street duty. Even with a Mocal 202* thermostat the oil does well to get up to the water temp (160*). On cold days the needle usually does not budge off the lowest reading of 140*.

That oil temp is surely too cool. This makes a very good point though. You could downsize the oil cooler, at the same time, you aren't adding that thermal load to your cooling system. I would guess that you don't have piston squirters.....

I don't want to take over this thread with a bunch of technical talk, but am very interested in continuing the conversation....I'll start, or find another cooling thread somewhere else later :thumbsup:

next69 03-10-2013 06:29 PM

Mark, Do you have any updates for us? After seeing Mayhem yesterday at Autorama you are going to be hard pressed to raise the bar again.

468Camaro 03-12-2013 08:10 AM

Awesome thread ! I need my Jaw wired shut now...

brownz 03-29-2013 08:41 PM

Any updates Mark?

srh3trinity 03-30-2013 11:26 AM

I just combed through the whole thread. I think it is great that Mark has offered so many of his thoughts and pulled back the curtain behind his builds by answering so many questions. He didn't answer one question though, so I will ask it again. Any plans to do a second gen build at some point????

Stielow 05-12-2013 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by srh3trinity (Post 472942)
I just combed through the whole thread. I think it is great that Mark has offered so many of his thoughts and pulled back the curtain behind his builds by answering so many questions. He didn't answer one question though, so I will ask it again. Any plans to do a second gen build at some point????

I purchased a 2nd Gen. Not sure what to do with it yet. It is just a driver now.

Things have been going very slow on my new Camaro. We are making some progress now and should have some updates this week.

Mark

XLexusTech 05-12-2013 04:51 PM

Mark i noticed you have a tab welded on the clutch petal.. Do you have any measurements you can share...? I just installed the DSE bracket and wanted to take care of the petal while I had it all out...:flag2:

randy 05-12-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Stielow;453080 I also mounted a C-6 brake booster and master.
[IMG
http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/Clinton-20121222-00171_zps74927ca3.jpg[/IMG]
http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psb51e6fbd.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps2c91486d.jpg


http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps74927ca3.jpg

So you use the stock c6 brake booster and master? How would this work with the z06 brakes without abs? If you could give us some more info on this. So you used the dse bracket but where did you get your measurements and what are all the part numbers and some feedback. what peddles are these and what would you do to eliminate the sensor on the side of the reservoir?

WSSix 05-12-2013 07:59 PM

ABS is a separate module so the MC and booster combination would work just fine like it does in a Z06 when ABS isn't activated.

Stielow 05-20-2013 06:00 PM

A quick update. We had my new Camaro together as a roller for my car party.


The dry sump placement in the cowl. Check out the headers they are from Ultimate Headers they are shorty and fit great.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...pscb31133a.jpg

The radiator from Dewitt with the SRX fan, oil cooler, transmission cooler and power steering cooler. The core is 24" X 23" so it's fairly big.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps6874deb8.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps87e5b259.jpg

New throttle body inlet before we weld it up and metal finish it.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psbe3aadcf.jpg

Anvil front clip and my hood.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps89c3637d.jpg


http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps04af887e.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps116320c8.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps74375196.jpg

coolwelder62 05-20-2013 06:06 PM

Coming togather nicely Mark.

GregWeld 05-20-2013 06:15 PM

Ordinarily I'm not a fan of carbon fiber -- but that looks bad ass! Get I've been a bit jaded with all the phony versions on the big Honda wings.... LOL


Needless to say --- stellar work as usual Mark.

Stielow 05-20-2013 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XLexusTech (Post 479788)
Mark i noticed you have a tab welded on the clutch petal.. Do you have any measurements you can share...? I just installed the DSE bracket and wanted to take care of the petal while I had it all out...:flag2:

I have a 2002 Camaro clutch pedal and I copy the geometry off the physical pedal. I've done it that way for years.

Mark

Track Junky 05-20-2013 06:20 PM

Love the stance and the color. Reminds me of the Red Witch minus the weight. Really looking forward to seeing this one run. :thumbsup:

Royalworks 05-20-2013 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 481453)
Ordinarily I'm not a fan of carbon fiber -- but that looks bad ass! Get I've been a bit jaded with all the phony versions on the big Honda wings.... LOL


Needless to say --- stellar work as usual Mark.

I actually have one customer with an RSX that has the real deal J's Racing aero on his car. Not cheap stuff and there isn't a wave in any of the carbon. Its beautiful stuff. All of its wind tunnel tested. I want a wind tunnel...

Flash68 05-20-2013 06:34 PM

just keeps getting better... dang that looks good.

badmatt 05-20-2013 07:00 PM

Every time I seem to wander into Marks thread's.. Makes me realize, I NEED A BETTER JOB!

Great stuff I want that weave...

jimbo 05-20-2013 07:05 PM

So what is that other project car in the garage?

waynieZ 05-20-2013 07:17 PM

I love the carbon parts. Its coming together nice.

Sparks67 05-20-2013 07:35 PM

Here is some close up photos of the LS1 engine mounts for Camaro XV. Matt at Sled Alley does great work on those welds. I don't think these photos been posted.

http://67rscamaro.smugmug.com/2013Mo...100_2722-L.jpg

http://67rscamaro.smugmug.com/2013Mo...100_2724-L.jpg

http://67rscamaro.smugmug.com/2013Mo...100_2725-L.jpg


Jeff

tmadden 05-20-2013 07:53 PM

The bar just keeps getting higher. SMDH

Rybar 05-20-2013 08:16 PM

Mark I think the car looks sick, that stance and front clip are awesome!

Why the shorty headers what was the reason for those? Wont you leave some hp on the table??

camcojb 05-20-2013 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbo (Post 481479)
So what is that other project car in the garage?

Looks like Gordons car.

https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=41467

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...psd31de1dc.jpg

garickman 05-20-2013 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 481443)
A quick update. We had my new Camaro together as a roller for my car party.


The dry sump placement in the cowl. Check out the headers they are from Ultimate Headers they are shorty and fit great.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...pscb31133a.jpg

Awesome work, any idea yet on how you are going to fill the oil tank yet?

Sieg 05-20-2013 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camcojb (Post 481510)
Looks like Gordons car.

That..........or a decoy.

camcojb 05-20-2013 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 481523)
That..........or a decoy.

You can never tell with Mark, he's real sneaky. :D

Stielow 05-21-2013 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparks67 (Post 481495)
Here is some close up photos of the LS1 engine mounts for Camaro XV. Matt at Sled Alley does great work on those welds. I don't think these photos been posted.

http://67rscamaro.smugmug.com/2013Mo...100_2722-L.jpg

Jeff

I'm using 2002 Camaro LS1 engine mounts to get better noise and vibration performance. The Urethane one put a ton of noise into the car.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rybar (Post 481505)
Mark I think the car looks sick, that stance and front clip are awesome!

Why the shorty headers what was the reason for those? Wont you leave some hp on the table??

Right now the car is slammed and has 315s on the front and 335s on the rear. Looks like they will work. I'm waiting for the BFG Rivals to see how big they are before I settel in on a tire and wheel. It has 18 X 11 front and 18 X 12.5 rears.

In all of our dyno testing these blower motors are fairly insensitive to back pressure. In fact Mayhem made 877 HP through the stock LS9 exhaust manifolds. These "shorty" headers let me use the 2002 engine mounts and frees up a ton of space and are lighter. Less mass up front.

We will A-B these headers on a dyno test soon at Thomson's, but Katech dynoed them and did not loos much on a N/A engine. I really like them they look like nice parts.

Mark

Rick D 05-21-2013 04:41 AM

Mark looks great, so is the plan to still be at Optima this year?? Also are you leaving the carbon front unpainted or will it get painted??

Stielow 05-21-2013 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by garickman (Post 481513)
Awesome work, any idea yet on how you are going to fill the oil tank yet?

We are going to make a remote fill point through the firewall with a dip stick. We upped the dry sump tank volume to 12 quarts just to be safe.

Mark

Stielow 05-21-2013 04:48 AM

We also moved the ABS rearward to clean up packaging and move mass back.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psd1e268b1.jpg

I also used the Too Much Fabrication weld in mounting bosses to mount it (see top mounting boss). They work great. I have a bag of these weld on bosses and plan to use a lot on this build.

Mark

Stielow 05-21-2013 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick D (Post 481543)
Mark looks great, so is the plan to still be at Optima this year?? Also are you leaving the carbon front unpainted or will it get painted??

Still working on paint layouts. Not sure yet on how much raw carbon fiber..

I can't make Optima this year with this car. For me to get this car ready for Optima would be a huge effort :G-Dub:

I am aiming to have this car done for 2014 unless I win the lottery.....

Mark

Rick D 05-21-2013 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 481546)
Still working on paint layouts. Not sure yet on how much raw carbon fiber..

I can't make Optima this year with this car. For me to get this car ready for Optima would be a huge effort :G-Dub:

I am aiming to have this car done for 2014 unless I win the lottery.....

Mark

Just barrow one from Charlie?? Lol :underchair:

214Chevy 05-21-2013 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick D (Post 481547)
Just barrow one from Charlie?? Lol :underchair:

That's exactly what I was thinking. LOL!! :sarcasm_smiley:

Lous69 05-21-2013 10:09 AM

Hey Mark,

If Charlie won't let you use one of your previous works of art this year you are welcome to use Lou's Change!!! hehe

It's LSA powered and it doesn't have ABS brakes... You could show the world it's your driving skills more than the car that have made you so successful!!!

I wish.

frojoe 05-21-2013 10:11 AM

I would imagine having such a gnarly blower on there that the engine would be mostly insensitive to primary length, as you're going to have torque all over the place. The physical gas gas flow shouldn't be affected by mid shorty vs. long tube headers, and the ground clearance is a huge bonus.

Great build Mark!

PTAddict 05-21-2013 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 481542)

Right now the car is slammed and has 315s on the front and 335s on the rear. Looks like they will work. I'm waiting for the BFG Rivals to see how big they are before I settel in on a tire and wheel. It has 18 X 11 front and 18 X 12.5 rears.

Mark

Awesome attention to detail, as always.

Wow, 315s on the front. I've been thinking about upgrading to the Anvil front clip, more for the front tire even than the weight savings. The DSE suspension is overall a pretty balanced track package for me, but especially in long sweeping turns I think more front grip would be useful.

Do the 18 inch wheels impact your brake choice? I think you mentioned carbon ceramic brakes somewhere on the thread, but I've heard the ZR-1 brakes won't clear an 18" wheel?

GRob 05-21-2013 10:17 AM

Hi Mark,

Why do you need shorties to run the 2002 motor mounts vs aftermarket urethane ones? Shouldn't the urethane mounts just be a direct replacement for the OEM ones?

Stielow 05-21-2013 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PTAddict (Post 481597)
Awesome attention to detail, as always.

Wow, 315s on the front. I've been thinking about upgrading to the Anvil front clip, more for the front tire even than the weight savings. The DSE suspension is overall a pretty balanced track package for me, but especially in long sweeping turns I think more front grip would be useful.

Do the 18 inch wheels impact your brake choice? I think you mentioned carbon ceramic brakes somewhere on the thread, but I've heard the ZR-1 brakes won't clear an 18" wheel?

I think a 305 would be better but it is not avalible from BFG.

You can get an 18 wheel over a Corvette ZR-1 brakes but you need to get the correct wheel.

Mark

Stielow 05-21-2013 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GRob (Post 481600)
Hi Mark,

Why do you need shorties to run the 2002 motor mounts vs aftermarket urethane ones? Shouldn't the urethane mounts just be a direct replacement for the OEM ones?

The DSE sub frame uses 1967-9 Camaro style mounts and adaptors to put a LS into their frame. To use the direct mount LS style 2002 engine mounts we had to make new frame mounts. The shorty headers clear all the relocated OEM engine mount. DSE set up is designed to use their headers and engine mounts. Their system works great, but I wanted a differnt set up for more room and better N&V.

Mark

SS 454 05-21-2013 01:24 PM

Awesome work and engineering.:thumbsup: And Thanks for sharing your ideas. Mark. Maybe you can get ideas about the paint to the XV from this video Inside Koenigsegg when Christian explain the paint job on their carbon cars. Or search Agera Hundra. It Looks beautiful with its golden stripes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-IYh8Ln0wQ


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