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Vegas69 06-25-2013 08:40 AM

What is being done to control windage? Are you running a windage tray? Have you tried dropping the oil level say a quart?

I wouldn't even race it until you figure it out. Losing 15 lbs of oil pressure from 3000 to 6500 rpm means you have a serious issue. With an oil temp of only 174 on the dyno, it's going to be worse on the track. Especially if it's a windage issue which it almost certainly has to be.

Oil pressure should climb with rpm.
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Vince@Meanstreets 06-25-2013 10:42 AM

thanks Todd, we'll look into it and report what we find.

Im going to speak to Joe and Gaetano later. I want to find out what oil was being used and the level. The level may have been incorrect.

sixnina 06-25-2013 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 489021)
what about a sheet metal piece, would you guys be interested in that in .060 or .090 6061? I'll check with my laser cutter. He has been slammed with Tesla contract work so I hope he can squeeze this in.

0.60 sounds good Vince. Just let me know also what it will cost.
Thanks Shane

Track Junky 06-25-2013 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 489162)
So how did Joe try total timing at on your latest dyno session? How high did he go before reverting back to 32.5?

That is a huge difference to go from 37 to 32.5 for a 23* head. Timing is largely based on the efficiency of the head's combustion chamber, but you did not change heads, so I am confused.

I don't think I've seen a 23* head with such low total timing.

I agree, definitely a huge difference but one that I was happy to see. I'm not an engine builder so I cant give you an educated answer to your question. All I know is the first thing we worked on was ignition timing. Joe would make an adjustment, we's make a couple pulls, and then repeat until Joe liked it

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 489197)
What is being done to control windage? Are you running a windage tray? Have you tried dropping the oil level say a quart?

I wouldn't even race it until you figure it out. Losing 15 lbs of oil pressure from 3000 to 6500 rpm means you have a serious issue. With an oil temp of only 174 on the dyno, it's going to be worse on the track. Especially if it's a windage issue which it almost certainly has to be.

Oil pressure should climb with rpm.

Pan uses a screen for windage. Good call on dropping a quart. I know for a fact we had 7 quarts in a 6 quart pan and that was my decision only because I'm afraid of sucking air when on the track due to this happening to me before but with a different pan. When I get a chance I'm going to drain the oil and refill with 6 quarts but before I do I'll record rpm's and oil prssure the way it is and then record oil pressures with 6 quarts. If this doesn't remedy the issue I will probably cancel the track day.
Thanks for your input Todd.

Track Junky 06-25-2013 01:27 PM

I took some oil pressure readings but went with water temps beause I am now using the oil temp bung in the pan for the dip stick.

Initial start up cold at 1000 rpm was at 68 lbs
Temp at 180, rpm 750, oil pressure 53 lbs
Temp 190, rpm 750, oil pressure 52 lbs
Temp 200, rpm 750, oil pressure 48 lbs
Temp 205, rpm 6300 and held for a few seconds, oil pressure 62 lbs

I asked Joe why the difference in readings and he said because the dyno was running the engine through an oil cooler and it had an adjustable flow restrictor.

Needless to say I am now relieved.

Sieg 06-25-2013 02:37 PM

Not much worse than Gearhead Hypochondriasis...........not that I would know much about it. :sarcasm_smiley:

I worry more about potential mechanical issues with the Camaro than waiting melanoma biopsy results. :sieg:

Hopefully that's all it was, to be safe don't drop your guard.

waynieZ 06-25-2013 03:07 PM

Glad to hear it was something simple.

Track Junky 06-25-2013 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 489256)
I worry more about potential mechanical issues with the Camaro than waiting melanoma biopsy results. :sieg:

Hopefully that's all it was, to be safe don't drop your guard.

I know exactly what your talking about Sieg. This is what seperates us car guys from the rest........sometimes I wonder about my priorities :headscratch:

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Originally Posted by waynieZ (Post 489259)
Glad to hear it was something simple.

Thanks Wayne. I appreciate that. Hope things are going better for you. :thumbsup:

Vince@Meanstreets 06-25-2013 05:46 PM

and here i was getting ready to tear it apart thursday afternoon and have it ready by friday night. I guess its date night.

thanks for looking out guys.

Vegas69 06-25-2013 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 489250)
I took some oil pressure readings but went with water temps beause I am now using the oil temp bung in the pan for the dip stick.

Initial start up cold at 1000 rpm was at 68 lbs
Temp at 180, rpm 750, oil pressure 53 lbs
Temp 190, rpm 750, oil pressure 52 lbs
Temp 200, rpm 750, oil pressure 48 lbs
Temp 205, rpm 6300 and held for a few seconds, oil pressure 62 lbs

I asked Joe why the difference in readings and he said because the dyno was running the engine through an oil cooler and it had an adjustable flow restrictor.

Needless to say I am now relieved.

Good to see your oil pressure is where it belongs. The explanation Joe gave you doesn't make any sense to me. Wouldn't that limit max oil pressure, not having it fall off with an RPM increase?

In regards to your extra quart. That was a good band aid for poor oil control with windage as your side effect. I wouldn't do it on this setup if it's a quality pan. Windage is BAD.

Needless to say, track test it and look when everything is HOT.


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