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Sieg 06-25-2013 06:36 PM

Gae - You run a remote filter system on the car.......what filtering were they using on the dyno?

Track Junky 06-25-2013 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 489337)
Good to see your oil pressure is where it belongs. The explanation Joe gave you doesn't make any sense to me. Wouldn't that limit max oil pressure, not having it fall off with an RPM increase?

In regards to your extra quart. That was a good band aid for poor oil control with windage as your side effect. I wouldn't do it on this setup if it's a quality pan. Windage is BAD.

Needless to say, track test it and look when everything is HOT.

I hear what your saying......I imagine if I were in charge I would have opted to adjust for more oil pressure. My position on dyno day was to trust what he was doing. This wont be my last go around with Joe.....I'll get a better explanation when I talk to him again.

As far as the extra quart this is my view and please correct me if it doesn't make sense......I filled the pan with 7 quarts of water before I installed it just to see how close to the crank it would be. Water level came up even with the windage screen. My thoughts were if I'm up in the rpm's all the time how much oil is left in the pan?.....especially at the end of a long straightaway before coming into an uphill left handed corner(which is how I retired a rod bearing on my last motor).

Track Junky 06-25-2013 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 489344)
Gae - You run a remote filter system on the car.......what filtering were they using on the dyno?

This is the best pic I can find so far that describes the set up. We put a sandwich adaptor on to the block and then connected the oil in/out lines to the adaptor. Oil filter was screwd into the adaptor. Let me see if I could find any more pics.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/a...ngineDyno5.jpg

Sieg 06-25-2013 07:31 PM

Is there any way your filtering setup on dyno could cause the reduced upper rpm oil pressure? :sieg:

Track Junky 06-25-2013 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 489359)
Is there any way your filtering setup on dyno could cause the reduced upper rpm oil pressure? :sieg:

Thats a question for the pros my friend but if I heard it correctly I could swear I heard Joe say that he had the ability to adjust flow. I may have heard it wrong and Todd's right, that doesn't make sense. I'm going to give him a call.

DaleTx 06-25-2013 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 488460)
Well I kind of feel bad posting this only because I know there are a few people around here waiting for a truck load of big ticket items to be delivered and this is the last piece of the puzzle for me for now but here it is. Hood to air box seal showed up today from McMaster-Carr. I now have a positive seal around the air cleaner. Grand total for a minimum of 10' buy in..........35 bucks. :hapdance:

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/a...nerseal003.jpg

Gaetano... I like the your design of the cold air/cowel induction set up. It looks better that shape than round. Is it attached to the firewall or does it come up short of the firewall? I was just wondering what you did in the back, I can't tell from the picture. I'm thinking of copying your design... looks good and functional to.

It looks like you added some extra holes in the hood to pick up more air too... good idea.

Track Junky 06-25-2013 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleTx (Post 489373)
Gaetano... I like the your design of the cold air/cowel induction set up. It looks better that shape than round. Is it attached to the firewall or does it come up short of the firewall? I was just wondering what you did in the back, I can't tell from the picture. I'm thinking of copying your design... looks good and functional to.

It looks like you added some extra holes in the hood to pick up more air too... good idea.

Thanks Dale. There is a sheetmetal piece that Vince fabbed up that completes the connection to the firewall. We had been using it with the lid set up and needs to be cut down a bit. I forgot to bring it home from the shop.

Funny you mentioned the holes. I didn't really notice them until you pointed them out. I'll have to see if they actually do aid in introducing air into the box. :headscratch:

Vegas69 06-25-2013 09:01 PM

I'd start with what the pan was engineered to hold as windage is no bueno. Jason Pettis made a point to tell me never to over fill my crank case for that exact reason. If you are running out of pressure on long sweepers, it's time for a better pan or accumulator, not more oil.:D

GregWeld 06-25-2013 09:14 PM

Accumulator --- easy to plumb... and will protect your oil pressure.

I close the valve to mine before shutting down -- and open it before starting to create oil pressure. At least that's the way Charley told me to do it.

Track Junky 06-25-2013 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 489390)
I'd start with what the pan was engineered to hold as windage is no bueno. Jason Pettis made a point to tell me never to over fill my crank case for that exact reason. If you are running out of pressure on long sweepers, it's time for a better pan or accumulator, not more oil.:D

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 489393)
Accumulator --- easy to plumb... and will protect your oil pressure.

I close the valve to mine before shutting down -- and open it before starting to create oil pressure. At least that's the way Charley told me to do it.

Can you set an accumulator up to introduce oil at a specified oil pressure? Once that oil is introduced into the system does it retrieve it back when pressures are adequate?


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