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Flash68 01-13-2014 03:29 PM

You might wanna have that hidden and locked up next week Ron.... :whistling:

Very very cool.

Beach Cruiser 01-14-2014 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 528807)
That is so cool. I feel like an 8 year old who just got an Evil Knevil stunt cycle.

I had one of those! Looking good!

57hemicuda 01-14-2014 01:31 PM

Still have to finish up the rear edge, but the hood closes and latchs for the first time since I've owned it.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC00886-L.jpg

Cris@JCG 01-14-2014 01:38 PM

Looking good Ron! What did you end up on the wheelbase?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 529012)
Still have to finish up the rear edge, but the hood closes and latch for the first time since I've owned it.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC00886-L.jpg


57hemicuda 01-14-2014 01:57 PM

It ended up at 105"

WSSix 01-14-2014 02:30 PM

Looking good, Ron!

57hemicuda 01-21-2014 04:43 PM

Jewelry test fit. Like a glove, thanks Aaron!

You can see some of the over the top bars above the trans., somebody needs to take this bender away.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC00888-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC00890-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC00889-L.jpg

65_LS1_T56 01-21-2014 05:05 PM

Wheeewww! Now, just check the ring gear clearance when you can, just to be sure. We should be good to go then.

Looks like a jungle gym in there :D

1coolC2 01-24-2014 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 65_LS1_T56 (Post 530649)

Looks like a jungle gym in there :D

Ron,

I have a bunch of 1 5/8" .065 chrome moly scraps floating around in the shop, I'll ship them up and you can weld them into that web if there is any room left :poke: lol. Hood looks great, hoping to mount one to my car someday :thumbsup:


R/
Jeff

57hemicuda 01-25-2014 06:34 AM

Hey Jeff, I think there is a little spot around the passenger side feet area that doesn't have any tubing. Send it!

Sieg 01-25-2014 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 65_LS1_T56 (Post 530649)
Looks like a jungle gym in there :D

Makes me wonder what his childhood erector set projects looked like. :D

Flash68 01-25-2014 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 530641)
Jewelry test fit. Like a glove, thanks Aaron!

You can see some of the over the top bars above the trans., somebody needs to take this bender away.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC00888-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC00890-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC00889-L.jpg

Not too shabby for an outlaw street drag racer.

:peepwall:

57hemicuda 01-28-2014 05:29 PM

Don't know if I'm stupid, or just can't pass up a good deal. A buddy called with a line on some LS3's that were built by Katech for the American LeMans Prototype Challenge series.http://www.katechengines.com/motor-s...s-series-lmpc/

They are basically blueprinted 6.2 LS3's, with forged Mahle pistons, and ARP hardware. They had really cool dry sumps on them, but they kept them, along with the cams, and front timing covers. They have about 3K miles on them, and look like new inside. I bought 2 of them, I paid $2500 .

They probably won't give me enough HP's but, I figure I can work the bugs out of the car with one of them until I get board, and need to step it up.http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC00896-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC00899-L.jpg

srh3trinity 01-28-2014 05:57 PM

What a great deal! I would have probably bought them too for projects to be named later.

71RS/SS396 01-29-2014 02:25 AM

Here's your dry sump http://www.daileyengineering.com/ls_...side_mount.htm :ups:

57hemicuda 01-29-2014 03:05 AM

Don't know why Tim, but I'm having trouble thinking about putting a $3000 dry sump on a $2500 engine.lol I was actually thinking about a trap door oil pan (which I already have), restricted push rods, and an Accusump. Man I seem to be hem raging cash all the sudden, I need to take up a cheap hobby.

71RS/SS396 01-29-2014 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 532443)
Don't know why Tim, but I'm having trouble thinking about putting a $3000 dry sump on a $2500 engine.lol I was actually thinking about a trap door oil pan (which I already have), restricted push rods, and an Accusump. Man I seem to be hem raging cash all the sudden, I need to take up a cheap hobby.

I look at it this way.... if you grenade (window the block) the engine, it will cost more than the $3K for the dry sump to replace it.

Cris@JCG 01-29-2014 10:01 AM

I just got off the phone with Bill Dailey to build this for me... I could have him build you a 2nd one.. :poke: .. Cheap insurance in the long run!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...ps50fa8b0f.jpg


Quote:

Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 532443)
Don't know why Tim, but I'm having trouble thinking about putting a $3000 dry sump on a $2500 engine.lol I was actually thinking about a trap door oil pan (which I already have), restricted push rods, and an Accusump. Man I seem to be hem raging cash all the sudden, I need to take up a cheap hobby.


preston 01-29-2014 10:18 AM

I think you'd be hard pressed to get that dry sump system for $3k. Try more like $4k. I'd like to know what just the pan and pump cost without all the other sundries, in a brief email exchange with Dailey a few weeks ago I was not able to get a price on just those components, just got quoted for a full system.

WILWAXU 01-29-2014 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cris@JCG (Post 532522)
I just got off the phone with Bill Dailey to build this for me... I could have him build you a 2nd one.. :poke: .. Cheap insurance in the long run!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...ps50fa8b0f.jpg

LMAO! Oil system worth more than the motor it's bolted to :D

Sieg 01-29-2014 08:42 PM

Cheap insurance until that $10 belt throws or breaks! :underchair:

:D

FETorino 01-29-2014 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by preston (Post 532524)
I think you'd be hard pressed to get that dry sump system for $3k. Try more like $4k. I'd like to know what just the pan and pump cost without all the other sundries, in a brief email exchange with Dailey a few weeks ago I was not able to get a price on just those components, just got quoted for a full system.

My Dailey pan, pulley, belt and pump were just under $3k. You have to add the cost of a tank and lines to get the total cost so yea $3500 would be closer.

Ron the car looks even cooler in person.

Cris@JCG 01-30-2014 09:15 AM

Yeah! That does concern me @ times about a belt driving you oil pump..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 532693)
Cheap insurance until that $10 belt throws or breaks! :underchair:

:D

You forgot the -16 fittings & hose with plumbing material.. I remember bitichen about what -12 fitting cost..

Quote:

Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 532702)
My Dailey pan, pulley, belt and pump were just under $3k. You have to add the cost of a tank and lines to get the total cost so yea $3500 would be closer.

Ron the car looks even cooler in person.


71RS/SS396 01-30-2014 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cris@JCG (Post 532522)
I just got off the phone with Bill Dailey to build this for me... I could have him build you a 2nd one.. :poke: .. Cheap insurance in the long run!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...ps50fa8b0f.jpg

Cris, I don't like how far out on the crank that one is or how close the serp. belt is to it.

71RS/SS396 01-30-2014 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by preston (Post 532524)
I think you'd be hard pressed to get that dry sump system for $3k. Try more like $4k. I'd like to know what just the pan and pump cost without all the other sundries, in a brief email exchange with Dailey a few weeks ago I was not able to get a price on just those components, just got quoted for a full system.

Granted I get a discount but I was quoted $2350 for the 3 stage pump, ( C-6 version) pan, and drive hub.

preston 01-30-2014 11:42 AM

was that quote for the billet pan and integrated pump ? If so that's not a bad price, you are going to pay a $800 for a pump and $400 for a pan plus the plumbing from pan to pump and mandrel and drive pulleys so you're into it $1500 either way. THe billet pan and mounted pump are such a much better solution its worth another $1k if you can really get it for that. Of course for someone like who already has a pump and pan, there is no way to justify the move. I so love that clean, non-leaking setup though, the pan is so nice.

>Cris, I don't like how far out on the crank that one is or how close the serp. belt is to it.

I don't understand htis comment, that packaging looks tight to me, I've seen dry sump drives that stick out way further, that one looks good. Plus, how could it be closer to the block and not also be closer to the serp belt ?

As far as breaking the belt, this unfortunately did happen to me. Even though I have a big red light on the dash it was a very sunny day and I did not see it. I was on a "go kart" track doing the autox type thing so I was much busier than a road race track but still no excuse. I put a new super bright shift light right in my face. In my case, the belt had been stored for a year in a folded fashion, but I think the main culprit was I had it way too tight, these toothed belts don't need to be tight. Also as you can imagine on the go kart track the revs are up and down up and down.

My machinist, after disassembly, asked me how long it ran without oil, I said data log says 21 seconds. He said that was 20.5 seconds too long.
Just needed new bearings but he doesn't do anything half assed so it was almost a $5k belt for me, although that dollar figure probably included a few upgrades LOL.

71RS/SS396 01-30-2014 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by preston (Post 532801)
was that quote for the billet pan and integrated pump ? If so that's not a bad price, you are going to pay a $800 for a pump and $400 for a pan plus the plumbing from pan to pump and mandrel and drive pulleys so you're into it $1500 either way. THe billet pan and mounted pump are such a much better solution its worth another $1k if you can really get it for that. Of course for someone like who already has a pump and pan, there is no way to justify the move. I so love that clean, non-leaking setup though, the pan is so nice.

>Cris, I don't like how far out on the crank that one is or how close the serp. belt is to it.

I don't understand htis comment, that packaging looks tight to me, I've seen dry sump drives that stick out way further, that one looks good. Plus, how could it be closer to the block and not also be closer to the serp belt ?

As far as breaking the belt, this unfortunately did happen to me. Even though I have a big red light on the dash it was a very sunny day and I did not see it. I was on a "go kart" track doing the autox type thing so I was much busier than a road race track but still no excuse. I put a new super bright shift light right in my face. In my case, the belt had been stored for a year in a folded fashion, but I think the main culprit was I had it way too tight, these toothed belts don't need to be tight. Also as you can imagine on the go kart track the revs are up and down up and down.

My machinist, after disassembly, asked me how long it ran without oil, I said data log says 21 seconds. He said that was 20.5 seconds too long.
Just needed new bearings but he doesn't do anything half assed so it was almost a $5k belt for me, although that dollar figure probably included a few upgrades LOL.

The pump set-up I'm using runs the belt behind the serp belt. Look at the link I posted above (#335) it shows the one I'm using.

Cris@JCG 01-31-2014 10:58 AM

Tim- I changed to the same design you got.. Trouble I have is getting clearance for the rack n pinion.. But Bill will machine a spacer to get the pump closer to the centerline of the crankshaft with a pump that has the inlet clocked in a different position..

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Originally Posted by 71RS/SS396 (Post 532798)
Cris, I don't like how far out on the crank that one is or how close the serp. belt is to it.


57hemicuda 01-31-2014 11:33 AM

In the end I will probably end up with the Dailey stuff, I'm just whiney because I just dropped 5K on 2 LS3's. I was even digging in the sock drawer to come up with that cash, any future purchase I make Dawn will know about. Then she'll make me put in the kitchen I've been promising for the last 2 years.LOL

Flash68 01-31-2014 11:36 AM

Your basement isn't the worst place in the world to live and sleep.

57hemicuda 01-31-2014 11:41 AM

I don't know Dave there must be some sleeping powder or something floating around down there, people never seem to wake up until noon when they go down there. Can't make a living that way, well, unless your a bar tender or porn star.

Sieg 01-31-2014 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 533023)
Then she'll make me put in the kitchen I've been promising for the last 2 years.LOL

Maybe get her one of these and buy yourself a couple more years? :sieg:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-daO3Pbs00c.../s640/kk10.jpg

57hemicuda 01-31-2014 03:49 PM

I wish, my wife has stupid expensive taste.

Trying to finish up the chassis stuff. Took the transmission, and torque arm crossmembers out, because I wanted to put a giant 2x2 box tubing X brace through the bottom of the car. There are so many things to get around, exhaust, fuel lines, plus I still need the transmission to be able to come out for clutch changes.

Got the X built, with multiple exhaust openings, tubing holes, etc. etc. etc.
Took a couple pics before my camera died, I'll post some up tomorrow when I get a chance.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC00901-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC00902-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC00904-L.jpg

65_LS1_T56 01-31-2014 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 533063)
I wish, my wife has stupid expensive taste.

:poke:

http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/...pshlf1fjey.jpg

:G-Dub: :rolleyes::_paranoid :animated_bye_bye_em

sanddan 02-01-2014 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 65_LS1_T56 (Post 533078)
:poke:

http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/...pshlf1fjey.jpg

:G-Dub: :rolleyes::_paranoid :animated_bye_bye_em

Now that's funny:thumbsup:

Sieg 02-01-2014 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 65_LS1_T56 (Post 533078)
:poke:

:G-Dub: :rolleyes::_paranoid :animated_bye_bye_em

I'm glad it was you that brought this "insignificant" detail to light. :lmao:

65_LS1_T56 02-01-2014 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 533217)
I'm glad it was you that brought this "insignificant" detail to light. :lmao:

:peepwall:

57hemicuda 02-01-2014 12:09 PM

HEY HEY HEY!!!!! everybody needs a billet diff cover. End of story.

57hemicuda 02-01-2014 02:35 PM

In staying with my AM"X" theme, I had to put a big X through the middle of the car for chassis rigidity. Took a while to fab this part with all the ports, holes, and welds. Turned out pretty good, and should stiffen the car, as if it needed more weight. It still gets a couple other bars that intersect with this bar, and I need to fab a new trans cross member, but I'm getting closer.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC00910-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC00911-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC00912-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/A...DSC00913-L.jpg

Sieg 02-01-2014 05:44 PM

Well done Sir! :thumbsup:


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