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57hemicuda 04-24-2015 02:13 PM
I'm scratching already

Vince@Meanstreets 04-24-2015 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dontlifttoshift (Post 603500)
Now this thread has herpes, nice going.:D
HAAAA HAAAA just don't ask him how his knee surgery went.

Speaking of surgery someone needs a corncobendictome. :sarcasm_smiley:

GregWeld 04-24-2015 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidBoren (Post 603497)
Why is it stupid? I don't understand that. It wasn't an all original car! Hell, none of them are these days, if you want to get technical... which all you purists seem to be all about being as technical as possible. Did you ever change a spark plug, a bulb, a filter, the air in tires or the oil in the engine? Then it's not original any more... get over it!

This all-so-precious, cream of the crop, 6-pack car didn't live up to its owner's expectations as it was... end of story. It wasn't F'ing good enough as it was in its close to original state.

What was he supposed to do, huh? Sell the Challenger he already had in his possession, buy a different Challenger, in worse condition, that will take longer and cost more to build, just to not piss in some Mopar fanatic's cheerios? Get real. Buy a nice car, in good condition, so it can be built how you want it quicker, and drive the piss out of it. He bought the car to drive, not collect, and it wasn't going to drive how he wants to drive it in its Mopar V-code Hemi 6-pack version, so he changed it. It's his car to change. Why does anyone think that they have the right to judge him or anyone else?

If hobbyists and gear heads didn't tinker, swap, and change what the factory put out, then we wouldn't have had any of these muscle cars. Changing what the factory makes is what we do. And it makes the industry better. If the V-code, Hemi 6-pack was never changed by shadetree mechanics, then Dodge never would have evolved to the point of making the Hellcat, because everyone was satisfied with the V-code. Change needs to happen. Welcome to evolution and progress.


Until you know the players around here -- you should maybe just read.... Many of us are long time friends and understand when someone is giving someone else a load of crap.

Vince@Meanstreets 04-24-2015 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 603505)
Until you know the players around here -- you should maybe just read.... Many of us are long time friends and understand when someone is giving someone else a load of crap.
especially with that guy.....preacher meet choir

but i WAS serious......don't ask him about his knee surgery.

GregWeld 04-24-2015 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidBoren (Post 603473)
Hellcat under the hood? No, mister, no...

Why replace a 700hp naturally aspirated engine with a 700hp blower motor? Oh, and why replace a motor that interchanges with the other cars to one that doesn't? And why put a Mopar engine in it at all? Then it wouldn't irritate all the Mopar snobs, and that's one of the best parts of this build... right up there with the awesome fabrication, amazing test pilot cast, and the obvious craftsmanship behind the parts/assembly of a car that can be beat on at the track.

Great car, read the whole build, love it. I wouldn't think twice cutting up an all original anything, give me Carroll Shelby's very own winningest ever AC Cobra, and I will chop it up and stick a GM 'vette suspension in it with a import 2jz engine, just to piss everyone off.

Purists and traditionalists piss me off. If the all original car was worth keeping original, maybe it could have done what the customer wanted without needing to go to a custom shop for a custom build. If the 440+6 was so damn awesome, it wouldn't have needed replaced with an LS motor to achieve what the customer wanted. Same with all the original suspension. Ever think that the customer bought the all original 440+6 because it was a badass car, and then exceeded the abilities of that design and wanted more? Who are any of you to question what someone else wants to spend their money on or do with their own property? Buying something all original just means you have more to change, factory cars aren't built to perform at the level we want them to. Original equipment does us absolutely no good, none. Especially 1970 original equipment.

Tear it out, cut it up, stuff whatever works in, beat the hell out of it, drive it, enjoy it. Leave tradition in the museum.


Give you an inside tip --- at the top right of the posters "box" when they respond, there's a Joined/been a member since, date.... '57Hemicudas is 2005... Mine is 2005... Vince is 2004.

Some of us have been to members weddings... stayed at their houses... have taken cross country road trips together... flown to other states to go to races together... been to SEMA and our Lat G parties for years... helped each other build cars... raced against each other... etc. You've been a member since 2014... that's about 10 years SHORT of what some of us have been around here. Try not to read/react with what YOU think someone should have said. Many of us on here can't hardly have a polite conversation without slipping in our own sarcasm or dig or whatever. Pay a little more attention to the members start date and think to yourself -- Hmmmmmmm maybe they actually know each other after being on here for years and years.

intocarss 04-24-2015 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 603510)
Give you an inside tip --- at the top right of the posters "box" when they respond, there's a Joined/been a member since, date.... '57Hemicudas is 2005... Mine is 2005... Vince is 2004.

Some of us have been to members weddings... stayed at their houses... have taken cross country road trips together... flown to other states to go to races together... been to SEMA and our Lat G parties for years... helped each other build cars... raced against each other... etc. You've been a member since 2014... that's about 10 years SHORT of what some of us have been around here. Try not to read/react with what YOU think someone should have said. Many of us on here can't hardly have a polite conversation without slipping in our own sarcasm or dig or whatever. Pay a little more attention to the members start date and think to yourself -- Hmmmmmmm maybe they actually know each other after being on here for years and years.
That made me feel all warm and fuzzy

GregWeld 04-24-2015 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 603512)
That made me feel all warm and fuzzy



Speaking of racing together..... Hmmmmmmm

GRob 04-25-2015 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidBoren (Post 603473)
Hellcat under the hood? No, mister, no...

Why replace a 700hp naturally aspirated engine with a 700hp blower motor?
Well the comment was partly in jest. The real purpose of the post was to figure out what wheel diameters the car is running, but since you asked . . .

The car doesn't have a 700hp engine in it at all. It has a crate GM 525 which arguably may or may not produce 525hp. There's some discussion about that on some other boards. The reason it has that motor is because they blew the original.

The Hellcat makes well over 707hp at the crank, and does so with incredible reliability, something that can't necessarily be said of a 700hp ls7. The Hellcat comes with a full factory warranty and you won't find any warranty on a 700hp ls7 so that should tell you something right there about reliability. This also assumes you can cool the motor and the intercooler properly so it doesn't heat soak at the track - not a trivial task.

Also in terms of power and torque, it's all about area under the curve, something which an sc motor excels at. So quite frankly, the hellcat would be a very good choice for a car like this.

But like I said my comment was mostly in jest as there is no hellcat crate motor currently, and given the fact they can't build them fast enough to put into Challengers and Chargers, it'll be quite a while until there is one.

Rick D 04-25-2015 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 603510)
Give you an inside tip --- at the top right of the posters "box" when they respond, there's a Joined/been a member since, date.... '57Hemicudas is 2005... Mine is 2005... Vince is 2004.

Some of us have been to members weddings... stayed at their houses... have taken cross country road trips together... flown to other states to go to races together... been to SEMA and our Lat G parties for years... helped each other build cars... raced against each other... etc. You've been a member since 2014... that's about 10 years SHORT of what some of us have been around here. Try not to read/react with what YOU think someone should have said. Many of us on here can't hardly have a polite conversation without slipping in our own sarcasm or dig or whatever. Pay a little more attention to the members start date and think to yourself -- Hmmmmmmm maybe they actually know each other after being on here for years and years.
Wow Greg now I feel like an old man for being on here so long! And yes warm and fuzzy 😎😎

intocarss 04-25-2015 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 603516)
Speaking of racing together..... Hmmmmmmm
Just waiting on BMF to get done... Then it's GAME ON ;)

GregWeld 04-25-2015 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick D (Post 603583)
Wow Greg now I feel like an old man for being on here so long! And yes warm and fuzzy 😎😎



Well -- normally I just let stuff slide... but sometimes a guys post just pisses me off. I love Lat G because we don't have many guys that come on and try to flame people etc. But Boren came in there and puts his nickels worth of opinion when he didn't know the players or the background etc. So I had to say something. LOL




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Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 603596)
Just waiting on BMF to get done... Then it's GAME ON ;)



I'll have been retired for about 30 years by then - and probably too old to drive the rig....




:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Vegas69 04-25-2015 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 603596)
Just waiting on BMF to get done... Then it's GAME ON ;)
So, Never. :y0!: :relax: :D

intocarss 04-25-2015 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 603597)
I'll have been retired for about 30 years by then - and probably too old to drive the rig....




:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
No worries GW 1..Hire a driver for the rig. 2.. Sutton will make your Mustang wheelchair accessible

DavidBoren 04-27-2015 07:29 AM
Well, I guess that makes me the @sshole.

I didn't mean that (those) rant(s) at anyone in particular. More just an overly voiced rebuttal to the concept of not cutting up an original car.

I know a lot of you have forgotten more than I will ever learn. And I fully understand that a lot of you know each other, and have for some time. I never back down from a good argument, and debating the merits of modifying a car most would be content to just collect was a conversation I felt the need to join.

I apologize for coming off as the loudmouth new guy.

GregWeld 04-27-2015 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DavidBoren (Post 603724)
Well, I guess that makes me the @sshole.

I didn't mean that (those) rant(s) at anyone in particular. More just an overly voiced rebuttal to the concept of not cutting up an original car.

I know a lot of you have forgotten more than I will ever learn. And I fully understand that a lot of you know each other, and have for some time. I never back down from a good argument, and debating the merits of modifying a car most would be content to just collect was a conversation I felt the need to join.

I apologize for coming off as the loudmouth new guy.


It's okay --- and good for you for coming back in and noting the situation. Now we're all friends and we can start over. LOL

Being the new guy is difficult... it's hard to come in and show your stuff and join in a discussion etc. I get it. But doing so with a strong opinion on a subject isn't probably the best way to gain traction. I've seen threads where there's just two guys arguing and quipping their opinion... (not on here) and then the new guy never posts again. I think all of us on here would far prefer to gain good solid "guys" that stick around and enjoy and help and gain friends. So welcome! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

dontlifttoshift 04-27-2015 07:50 AM
David, bring that factory 5 build over here.

Vince@Meanstreets 04-27-2015 11:35 AM
Thats the thing David, There is absolutely no reason to argue of fight about it. Everyone has an opinion and we should all be open to them without animosity.

At least you know who the school yard bully is now. :thumbsup: :goggles:

57hemicuda 04-27-2015 11:53 AM
Totally cool David, but its still stupid Cris

DavidBoren 04-27-2015 12:04 PM
I find that I can be very abrasive when you don't know me. I believe Tom Cruise's character in Tropic Thunder says it best... I need to take a big step back and literally f!ck my own face!

I don't mean to come across as a bully, that is not my intent, at all. I have this condition where I say things before I think about it. Sometimes I come off as a real @sshole. Sometimes I explain things to people, even if they already know it, or I explain things to people as if they know nothing about what I am talking about so I explain EVERYTHING, and people say I make them feel stupid, so I can even come off as a d!ck when I'm legitimately trying to help someone.

Sorry for the diatribe, the Challenger is awesome.

Al Moreno 04-27-2015 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidBoren (Post 603758)
I find that I can be very abrasive when you don't know me. I believe Tom Cruise's character in Tropic Thunder says it best... I need to take a big step back and literally f!ck my own face!

I don't mean to come across as a bully, that is not my intent, at all. I have this condition where I say things before I think about it. Sometimes I come off as a real @sshole. Sometimes I explain things to people, even if they already know it, or I explain things to people as if they know nothing about what I am talking about so I explain EVERYTHING, and people say I make them feel stupid, so I can even come off as a d!ck when I'm legitimately trying to help someone.

Sorry for the diatribe, the Challenger is awesome.
Hey Dave its all good, probably the best thing about this forum is what Greg said, we are all a group of guys that support each other while having fun doing it.

Flash68 04-27-2015 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidBoren (Post 603758)
I find that I can be very abrasive when you don't know me. I believe Tom Cruise's character in Tropic Thunder says it best... I need to take a big step back and literally f!ck my own face!

I don't mean to come across as a bully, that is not my intent, at all. I have this condition where I say things before I think about it. Sometimes I come off as a real @sshole. Sometimes I explain things to people, even if they already know it, or I explain things to people as if they know nothing about what I am talking about so I explain EVERYTHING, and people say I make them feel stupid, so I can even come off as a d!ck when I'm legitimately trying to help someone.

Sorry for the diatribe, the Challenger is awesome.
Glad to have you here David.

Now start a thread on the Factory 5 Donny mentioned.... then the assault can really begin.

:cheers:

tom091074 04-27-2015 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 603510)
Give you an inside tip --- at the top right of the posters "box" when they respond, there's a Joined/been a member since, date.... '57Hemicudas is 2005... Mine is 2005... Vince is 2004.

Some of us have been to members weddings... stayed at their houses... have taken cross country road trips together... flown to other states to go to races together... been to SEMA and our Lat G parties for years... helped each other build cars... raced against each other... etc. You've been a member since 2014... that's about 10 years SHORT of what some of us have been around here. Try not to read/react with what YOU think someone should have said. Many of us on here can't hardly have a polite conversation without slipping in our own sarcasm or dig or whatever. Pay a little more attention to the members start date and think to yourself -- Hmmmmmmm maybe they actually know each other after being on here for years and years.
OK two things where's the parties and who's flying out to help with my build? lol

57hemicuda 04-28-2015 05:01 AM
The parties and help are by invitation only, and apparently you weren't invited.LOL

GregWeld 04-28-2015 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tom091074 (Post 603827)
OK two things where's the parties and who's flying out to help with my build? lol


Lat G party happens during SEMA -- and has been held at Margaritaville.... usually around 150 of us. Good times. There's a thread on it with pictures here somewhere -- most with lots of single fingers flying. LOL


After reading all of these threads daily for 10 years -- you'd be so amazed at the community and how many fantastic friendships have been formed here. We have a great community.

dhutton 04-28-2015 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tom091074 (Post 603827)
OK two things where's the parties and who's flying out to help with my build? lol
Only 8 years and 62 posts. You are not even close to becoming a A-lister... :poke:

Don

GregWeld 04-28-2015 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by dhutton (Post 603847)
Only 8 years and 62 posts. You are not even close to becoming a A-lister... :poke:

Don


Is that my daily average?? LOL.....

57hemicuda 04-28-2015 12:43 PM
I can't think of a better place for a bunch of middle aged car guys to totally abuse each other. The cars are cool too.

tom091074 04-29-2015 03:30 AM
I don't post much because I don't know much. So I don't want to sound like the dumb guy. I read every post one every thread I'm interested in and only comment on thing I have knowledge on, which by my amount of post isn't much. But I have learn a ton from all you guys on here and love Lat-g! Hopefully one day I might be fortunate enough to make it to SEMA and get invited to one of the Lat-g parties, if my wife and 6 kids let me out of the house and off work long enough.

57hemicuda 04-29-2015 05:09 AM
None of the rest of us know anything either, we like to pretend though. You are definitely invited to any party/event you can make it to, its always a great time with great people(except Greg).

Cris@JCG 04-30-2015 10:44 AM
The car is set up to run two different configerations..

19x12 345-30-19 & 19x11 305-30-19

Currently running

18x12 315-30-18 & 18x11 315-30-18

No Hellcat for this car!! Coming back to CA next month to put some big power behind it..

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Originally Posted by GRob (Post 603457)
Chris, what size wheels are you using on this car?

Oh and it needs a Hellcat under the hood. :brix:
Thank you for texting me & letting me know that you were stiring the pot!

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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 603493)
Cutting up a 6 Pack car is stupid, I really don't know what kind of mental instability Karl and Chris have, they just need to stay away from me so I don't catch it!! It's like herpes.
David- Believe me when I state this.. We get alot of crap for what we did to this Mopar.. but in the end we still stand behind what we did to this car.. The most controversal car I have built to date & wouldn't change a thing!!

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Originally Posted by DavidBoren (Post 603497)
Why is it stupid? I don't understand that. It wasn't an all original car! Hell, none of them are these days, if you want to get technical... which all you purists seem to be all about being as technical as possible. Did you ever change a spark plug, a bulb, a filter, the air in tires or the oil in the engine? Then it's not original any more... get over it!

This all-so-precious, cream of the crop, 6-pack car didn't live up to its owner's expectations as it was... end of story. It wasn't F'ing good enough as it was in its close to original state.

What was he supposed to do, huh? Sell the Challenger he already had in his possession, buy a different Challenger, in worse condition, that will take longer and cost more to build, just to not piss in some Mopar fanatic's cheerios? Get real. Buy a nice car, in good condition, so it can be built how you want it quicker, and drive the piss out of it. He bought the car to drive, not collect, and it wasn't going to drive how he wants to drive it in its Mopar V-code Hemi 6-pack version, so he changed it. It's his car to change. Why does anyone think that they have the right to judge him or anyone else?

If hobbyists and gear heads didn't tinker, swap, and change what the factory put out, then we wouldn't have had any of these muscle cars. Changing what the factory makes is what we do. And it makes the industry better. If the V-code, Hemi 6-pack was never changed by shadetree mechanics, then Dodge never would have evolved to the point of making the Hellcat, because everyone was satisfied with the V-code. Change needs to happen. Welcome to evolution and progress.

DavidBoren 04-30-2015 10:59 AM
[QUOTE=Cris@JCG;604128]David- Believe me when I state this.. We get alot of crap for what we did to this Mopar.. but in the end we still stand behind what we did to this car.. The most controversal car I have built to date & wouldn't change a thing!![/QUOTE]

Good to hear. Keep up the good work.

MoparCar 04-30-2015 05:21 PM
Cris,
Do you have the e-body front clip available for production? In other words is it an available product for you to produce without a customers car in possession-existing JIG and files to cut it? Awesome car.

Thanks, Wes

Cris@JCG 05-01-2015 08:44 AM
Sorry Wes.. I have no plans on doing anything for production to just sell outside of the shop on suspension.. Just note that I grafted a Camaro sub-frame into the car which there are other companies out there that make a great Camaro sub that you can tackle yourself..

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Originally Posted by MoparCar (Post 604190)
Cris,
Do you have the e-body front clip available for production? In other words is it an available product for you to produce without a customers car in possession-existing JIG and files to cut it? Awesome car.

Thanks, Wes

Vince@Meanstreets 05-01-2015 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MoparCar (Post 604190)
Cris,
Do you have the e-body front clip available for production? In other words is it an available product for you to produce without a customers car in possession-existing JIG and files to cut it? Awesome car.

Thanks, Wes
http://www.detroitspeed.com/X-Gen-Pr...sion-pg-1.html

MoparCar 05-01-2015 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Cris@JCG (Post 604281)
Sorry Wes.. I have no plans on doing anything for production to just sell outside of the shop on suspension.. Just note that I grafted a Camaro sub-frame into the car which there are other companies out there that make a great Camaro sub that you can tackle yourself..
Cris,
Thanks. Just checking to see what your plans and goals were
Wes

GRob 05-04-2015 10:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cris@JCG (Post 604128)
The car is set up to run two different configerations..

19x12 345-30-19 & 19x11 305-30-19

Currently running

18x12 315-30-18 & 18x11 315-30-18

No Hellcat for this car!! Coming back to CA next month to put some big power behind it..
Thanks Chris, much appreciated!

SBDave 09-09-2016 06:02 PM
Cris,

Do you have any photos of how you mounted the drivers seat? I assume custom mounts going to the subframe connectors you put in, but if you used any "off the shelf parts" I'd like to know what.

Love when I see this car pop up online or IG

Thanks!
Dave


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