Your point being? :poke:

Somewhat same theory in both vids about cornering

Hi Jerdawg. :D

Jack's Porsche would be more comparable to the Lotus IMO as far as momentum vs brute power-to-weight like the Mustang has.

That is one cool machine.

You guys are scaring me now....




Willows is fast! WOW!



I think I might move back down to indoor go karts.....

That's BIG Willow... you can always downgrade to Streets of Willow right next to it. Still a very fun track.

HI DG

If you listen to what he (Jack) is saying during the video, he says he is giving the driving line he teaches for DE and time trial. He says he likes to thinks it's the best line for most cars around this track.

What you need to set the 1:35.882 qualifying lap record at T-Hill:

http://stohr.com/DavidLocke--800.jpg

The cars are built in Portland, OR of all places.
http://stohr.com/dsr.html

^^ So when you getting one Sieggy??

As soon as he can put headlights on it and get a license plate and call it "pro touring".....


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Those cars are tiny as in less than 800 lbs. Don't know that I'd want one for a primary track car but I sure wouldn't turn down a drive! We were looking at one patoke mentioned in the pit that's driven by a 67 year old lady and I'd say the driver's sight line is 12" lower than the Lotus.

I spent an hour watching YouTube videos of a DSR race at Laguna Seca... and another of DSR's at Road America. What I was watching was THE LINES.










This guy running at Road America (the Nationals) had to do an engine swap so had to start DEAD LAST - and he finished FIRST....













Call me a candy ass (but never CheeseBall!) --- but the speeds are just too high for me to find enjoyable. These guys are friggin' flying!!


I'm old and used up - I want to have time to look around -- or have a momentary lapse of attention. There's not room for that at those speeds.

I think the key here Greg is to stay in your comfort zone. At least thats what I try and do. Obviously the guys in the vids have a hell of a lot of wheel time.

Your "home" track getting handled by a Stohr:

^^^^^^^^ Talk about not using all of the track!! WOW - this guy never gets near an apex cone and never gets near the exit edge... I watch his line and think (not knowing what I'm talking about) he's leaving a lot on the table.

A lot of downforce allows cars like that to do things and go places that dumpster bodied cars like ours cannot. They do have limits of course and when exceeded things can go horribly wrong much quicker than our cars but they operate in a realm of video-game pace and physics. We don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFpXGoJ3BiI

Here is a video of some FAST laps at Laguna. If it wasn't for the DB limit I could see you hanging with him in your yellow mustang Greg!! At least on pit road!! :D

Seriously though, I agree with you that it is important to stay within you comfort level on track as it is more fun that way and it can get stressful in the cockpit when you push past that comfort zone. It is okay to work on certain parts of the track and therefore push a little harder each lap but over driving the whole track is usually a good way to go home on the back of the wrecker!!

Plus alot of tire and aero to make them stick. Faster cars = faster lines.

Piece of cake........he only turned 1:09 on the first real hot lap and was lifting like a sissy in T9. :lol:

Trying to slow me down until you catch up??? LOL

Sure....If putting it that way makes you feel better :lol:

Life begins at the end of your comfort zone.........

That's Sieg material rt there!!

Here are two good videos to watch to compare a good line and a GW line (I.e not using the whole track :D ) in the same car. There is a six second difference in lap times. Also, it should be a good reality check for those who say, we are slow because we drive big old steel bodies cars versus those "modern cars". They ran a 1:54 in a 1969 camaro. We ran a 1:55 in a 700+hp horsepower 2006 z06. They have slicks on this camaro I believe, but regardless it's fast!! Dave Brown is a wheel man for sure but here's proof old cars can go fast too!!!

Therefore, its time to step up the game a little for all of us

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=46Du0OtEK44

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=email&v=yT7AADEXgGE

I know both Dave and Carl. I will see them on the 24th at T-Hill and be running with them in the NASA Time Trial group. They run the unlimited class (TTU). I'll be running TT1. Carl Chicca owns the car but Dave Brown drives it also. Car is running a fiberglass front clip and doors, Hoosier R6's, and about 620 to the rear wheels. Stock front subframe with Global West arms and a Lateral Dynamics 3 link in the rear. Add Dave Brown to that equation and yes......that equals fast!!

Karl & Dave are nice guys and very welcoming and public friendly in their pro-team type pits.

For the record, the previous 387 cubic inch 23 degree dry dump SBC was never near 620 to the wheels when Dave put down the TT track record. It was closer to 620 to the crank.

The current carbed 415 cubic inch LS motor is something just over 600 hp as well.

Thanks Dave. Never asked but went by the dyno sheet on Lifes Good Racing website. Also was going by how hard Dave was pulling away form me in the straight coming out of 15 at T-Hill last year.

I'm old and can probably physically RUN away from a car on jack stands...


Just sayin'.... <grin>

Don't think we won't make you prove that.

He probably didn't have his engine built by Darryl, and his other brother Darryl.

So here's what I really see from watching the 1:54...


He's way left and riding the inside line in turn 2

He's way right and riding the line all the way around in turn 3

He's running the by-pass -- good for 2 or 3 seconds faster than the 16 turn Cyclone we run.

He's riding the right hand line in turn 5...

He doesn't late brake - late apex turn 6... rather - he starts that turn early and jumps on throttle mid corner while rolling straight to the far side at exit

Ditto this same early turn in at T9 which to me is an attempt to straighten out this turn to hit the exit almost straight as he crests it.

It also appears an early turn in at T10.


So "EARLY" to me is that he's not late braking and making a big ass turn... rather he's attempting to just roll thru the turns making 'em rounder where he's very fast getting back into the throttle.


I'm trying to LEARN from this line so help me here if I've got it all wrong!

I saw that with t9 too, his right tires are half way off the asphalt...effin close.

When i watched that, the one thing i could think of was the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, which may differ from what we've been taught, hence knowing what the machine and its operator are capable of.

I'm hooked.

For those that haven't run Thunderhill but want to.... here's a turn by turn 2:03 lap in a "spec Mustang".

Great lines pedal references for most of the cars here.

Hey Glassman,

I've got a pic with that NASCAR thing behind me, too...:superhack:

It was one of Gregs friends son-in-law's driving it and he did a pretty good job wheeling it around the track. I bought that pic from gotbluemilk.com since it was my "virgin" voyage i got two pics from the weekend. Next is the cage.

It's a great pic, Glassman--I'd put that one on a wall, for sure. I just got my CD from gotbluemilk.com yesterday--lots of great pics (and showcasing of my dents). My wife took the one I just posted (entering the pits), which was her clearest . . . and you're in it. Go figure...

Impressive........until he went to the left of the apex marker in T12.


http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-m...m895SqM-XL.jpg

Someone told me I should USE ALL THE TRACK!! So the one time I did...and I get flak for it... LOL

Flak - No
Credit - Yes

1) Right of the cone shortens the distance.
2) Improves drive on to the back straight.
3) The surface is smoother there so obviously it's the fast line. :D



How you got there is another discussion. :lol:

It was Sutton's fault, I swear!