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Bowtieracing 07-11-2007 07:23 AM

Do think DSE front sub will come any chaper in future?
 
What do you think guys? Does parts get any cheaper when they have been on the market for a while ? I know one day or another i need one but i dont need it yet.

MarkM66 07-11-2007 07:40 AM

It'll probably go up. Like everything else, ;) .

XcYZ 07-11-2007 07:43 AM

Hard to say, really. I know there's considerable R&D time and tooling costs involved. Unlike some companies that just COPY other's products, DSE actually does engineering and development on what they bring to market.

It's a beautiful and stout piece, you can't see all the details in pictures, you need to check it out in person.

Steve Chryssos 07-11-2007 07:49 AM

The price of metal (all metals) is thru the roof due to demand from China and other emerging markets. Freight costs are way up due to fuel prices. I don't see how anything will be getting cheaper. To the contrary, many manufacturers are giving up a little profit in an effort to HOLD prices. But that can't last forever.

LL CUSTOM 07-11-2007 08:04 AM

I have heard feed back from a number of my supplier's and they have taken a real bath the last year or so . They issued catalogs with certain prices, just before steel and fuel went through the roof . They have triied to compenstate for it a little but you will most likely see some serious price increase's in the future just so they can stay profitable . So I don't think the price's will ever go down. If I was you I would be makeing my purchase now if possible. that is probley the only way your going to save money.
Have a great day :thumbsup: Larry www.llcustomperformance.com

Bowtieracing 07-11-2007 08:05 AM

Hmm my only hope seems to be rate of dollar for euro :unibrow:

I think you all are right.Maybe it will go higher in future. And i know DSE has really put time and effort for it. Thats why i changed my mind about getting it.( okay its allso partly Steves fault too ;) )

Efi69Cam 07-11-2007 09:48 AM

All things considered the price for it is not all that bad. If you are starting at scratch and building an LS1 car, that frame puts you way ahead in terms of money and bother.

To start, it fits stock LS1 pans and it clears the stock AC compressor. Total the cost of tubular control arms, aluminum spindles with C5 hubs, rack and pinion steering, splined swaybar, coil over bracketry and shocks, and cleaning/blasting/welding/modifying a stock frame. It all adds up fast. The DSE frame looks like a pile of money but its all up front and when you have it your done.

novanutcase 07-11-2007 10:08 AM

Good to see you decided to stay Larry!!!:yes:

John

Stuart Adams 07-11-2007 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Efi69Cam
All things considered the price for it is not all that bad. If you are starting at scratch and building an LS1 car, that frame puts you way ahead in terms of money and bother.

To start, it fits stock LS1 pans and it clears the stock AC compressor. Total the cost of tubular control arms, aluminum spindles with C5 hubs, rack and pinion steering, splined swaybar, coil over bracketry and shocks, and cleaning/blasting/welding/modifying a stock frame. It all adds up fast. The DSE frame looks like a pile of money but its all up front and when you have it your done.

Xactly.

G-Body 07-11-2007 10:31 AM

Ive touched on this subject before! about DSE, Sure they are a GOOD company but like i have alwasy said wayyy over priced in a market that makes products similiar and even nicer in my book, but about there frames no way i would take one over a morrison frame and not to mention the total cost unit is even nicer yet for a fraction of the money, but for 6K+ come on
and shure there a hydro formed peice and all but really how many people are going to abuse there cars to the point they would a frame of this magnitude, Personally just dosent make since but shure theres always people out there that will want whats new first and money is no object. And it is great theres options like these frames out there but not really necessary for most builds a frame this extrme or most of all this expensive!

ironworks 07-11-2007 10:44 AM

Wow tell us how you really feel. Way to stay on topic

Mr.VENGEANCE 07-11-2007 11:44 AM

um..

minus the emo post a page back..

i think it will go up.. so get it while you can.. or the cost for them to make it may go up to the point the profit might be too low to make them anymore..

shot.

MarkM66 07-11-2007 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-Body
Ive touched on this subject before! about DSE, Sure they are a GOOD company but like i have alwasy said wayyy over priced in a market that makes products similiar and even nicer in my book, but about there frames no way i would take one over a morrison frame and not to mention the total cost unit is even nicer yet for a fraction of the money, but for 6K+ come on
and shure there a hydro formed peice and all but really how many people are going to abuse there cars to the point they would a frame of this magnitude, Personally just dosent make since but shure theres always people out there that will want whats new first and money is no object. And it is great theres options like these frames out there but not really necessary for most builds a frame this extrme or most of all this expensive!

What do you think the price differnces between the AME frame and DSE frame?

And why exactly to you think the AME frame is "nicer?"

yellowrallys 07-11-2007 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-Body
Ive touched on this subject before! about DSE, Sure they are a GOOD company but like i have alwasy said wayyy over priced in a market that makes products similiar and even nicer in my book, but about there frames no way i would take one over a morrison frame and not to mention the total cost unit is even nicer yet for a fraction of the money, but for 6K+ come on
and shure there a hydro formed peice and all but really how many people are going to abuse there cars to the point they would a frame of this magnitude, Personally just dosent make since but shure theres always people out there that will want whats new first and money is no object. And it is great theres options like these frames out there but not really necessary for most builds a frame this extrme or most of all this expensive!

I think Efi69 sums it up pretty good. There are plenty of people out there that love to abuse their cars, and I do believe this piece can take the abuse.
I've seen it done lap after lap. Just be careful of carving corners with any of those street rod type subs out there.

ZZ3ElCamino 07-11-2007 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by streetfytr68
To the contrary, many manufacturers are giving up a little profit in an effort to HOLD prices. But that can't last forever.

Too bad the oil industry can't give up a "little" profit to HOLD prices. They have record profits every quarter!

mazspeed 07-11-2007 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-Body
Ive touched on this subject before! about DSE, Sure they are a GOOD company but like i have alwasy said wayyy over priced in a market that makes products similiar and even nicer in my book, but about there frames no way i would take one over a morrison frame and not to mention the total cost unit is even nicer yet for a fraction of the money, but for 6K+ come on
and shure there a hydro formed peice and all but really how many people are going to abuse there cars to the point they would a frame of this magnitude, Personally just dosent make since but shure theres always people out there that will want whats new first and money is no object. And it is great theres options like these frames out there but not really necessary for most builds a frame this extrme or most of all this expensive!

It's far from over priced, and it's one of if not the best front sub out. The TCI you mentioned is near the bottom of the list. A complete Art Morrison which is another great frame is close to the same price as the DSE when it's complete. And yes, we do abuse our cars. If you cannot afford it, don't buy it, but don't bash it because you can't afford it.

Rick D 07-11-2007 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mazspeed
It's far from over priced, and it's one of if not the best front sub out. The TCI you mentioned is near the bottom of the list. A complete Art Morrison which is another great frame is close to the same price as the DSE when it's complete. And yes, we do abuse our cars. If you cannot afford it, don't buy it, but don't bash it because you can't afford it.


Ya what he said. I havent seen the DSE in person but looks way cool:thumbsup: as for the TCI I have seen it in person and was not very impressed with what I saw, looks like Mustang II stuff. I'm not bashing TCI just stating that it's not in the same zip code as the DSE frame. And isn't the TCI frame like $4000.00 or $4500.00???

Datsbad 07-11-2007 10:48 PM

[QUOTE=Efi69Cam]All things considered the price for it is not all that bad. If you are starting at scratch and building an LS1 car, that frame puts you way ahead in terms of money and bother.

To start, it clears the stock AC compressor. QUOTE]

this is not true, stock compressor wont work !!!!

tyoneal 07-11-2007 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZZ3ElCamino
Too bad the oil industry can't give up a "little" profit to HOLD prices. They have record profits every quarter!

===========================================
ZZ3ElCamino:

Don't give too much credence, to what you here in the Media about their record profits. They are playing a game with the number and how they state the numbers.

For instance:

Exxon and Mobil merged to form one company. Both of those businesses were huge before they merged, so when you combine the sales of both and/or the profit, it will almost ALWAYS be a "Record".

If you will review the records that the SEC requires to be exposed, you will find that:

1. Yes Record Profits, but
2. Net Profits are only 10.2% of sales

Damn few companies you do business on a daily basis will have profit margins that low. Home builders run 30-50%. Restaurants profits are a bit smaller depending on which segment of the market they service. McDonalds is a Volume supplier with smaller margins, while Ruth's Chris Steaks will have higher margins.

If you invest in the market, you can get investments that are safe, AND, you don't have to do anything more that collect a check. They can pay you 8-12%.

10.2% is NOT an excessive Margin at all. However the A$$holes in the Media do their very best to demonize all large corporations by quoting just the Dollar amount of profits without putting it in perspective with the size of their total sales.

The media is there to sell news. The bigger the news, the bigger their audience/profit. (If it bleeds, it Leads)

Don't let them get your panties in a wad. Much of what they report is pretty biased.

Does this make sense?

Ty O'Neal

Rick D 07-12-2007 08:15 PM

I get what you are saying i all ways look at the % not the dollar, BUT10.2% of billons and billons is still alots of cashola:wow: . didn't the CEO of Exxon/Mobil make like $400 Millon last year???:wow: I think I read it's like $17000.00 per hour!!!


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