09 Camaro Engineering Mule
 

While I know that's supposedly just a different body on the real chassis, perhaps GM will realize before it closes its doors that it builds some ugly freakin' cars....


That's a real nice Cavalier they got there...

I'm kinda diggin' the look of it.

BTW, by the time the Camaro comes out it will already be outdated. I'm already bored with the looks of it after seeing it nonstop for like 3 years now. :rolleyes:

Hmm looks like a BMW E36 M3 and a GTO got together and had a kid haha. Good thing its just a drivetrain test mule. Wonder which engine it has?

I have always liked Holden bodies over the crap they try and sell here.

Mike

Compared to what? German and Japanese cars?

Hey if that's what you like, than buy German and Japanese cars. Here at GM we build American cars. If you don't like them, then go see your friends Bernd and Myungtaek down the street. The day we start listening to Japan tell us how are cars should look will truly be the day we close our doors.

......and I'll gladly bring the lock and chain to the party.

I personally like the Holden Commordores and the variations of it. In fact the Pontiac G8 is one of the main cars I am keeping track of for when I am ready for a new car. G8, 5th Gen Camaro, a used 05-06 GTO, or a used 06 CTS-V, that is pretty much my list.

David

Well said Tony. I think alot of people are brainwashed as to what "looks" good. What looks good is usually tainted by what everyone else likes.

This was said by someone here (Trush maybe) and it made a heck of a lot of sense to me.

"Both GM and Toyota run into a burning building with 5 children in it. They both save two kids and one does not make it out alive. The next days headlines read...."

"Toyota saves two, GM allows one to die"

The US media hates all things US, seems to me. 70% of the housing "Crisis" is being perpetuated by the media. The remaining 30% are and have been in place in any market. GM has made some mistakes, but I will tell you this, I have a 2003 Chevy Silverado 1500 extended cab truck. I have put 105K miles on it without so much as a tune up. I pulled the plugs and they are clean as a firetruck. I was going to install new ones but decided to leave them on the shelf. GM is doing a lot right. It has a 500 plus horse car (Z06 vette) that will run rings around the global competition with the A/C running and still get 23 MPG and do 11 second quarter miles. I have seen many debates about dropping 75-100K on a PT car or buying a Z06. If I had a do-over....

Yes and it will be damn hard to build a PT car that will outperform a Z06. Even the guys at TopGear salutes the Z06.

Jan

I am not bored with the looks myself. I just wish that it would be out already!!
The Mule has often been mistaken for the next RWD Impala due out in 2009.
I believe it will be on a Holden platform, Which the Caprice (only sold everywhere else but the US) is built on the Holden platform and does look similar to the current Impala.

Bad news is that it appears GM will not be able to engineer it without a B pillar as shown on the concept. I'm beyond disappointed about this seemingly minute detail but it makes a huge difference when you want all the windows down.

Better news for us GM fans:


http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_...02154609990003

So how do you think they will pull off the convertible?

BTW, does anyone know if it has truly been confirmed that convertibles will not be available until 2010?

i dont understand why bring it back they canned it before for lack of sales and look at the gto it didnt do that good.

The F-body was canned because we didn't have a new platform to move it to and sales were only lacking because the current architecture had run it's course. It was just in the wrong place at the wrong time when it happened.

GTO failed for obvious reasons. But it's still a great "driving" car. A used one would be a great bargain for the amount of performance.

There are different government-mandated standards on verts vs. coupes. Insurance premiums and the cost to build them is usually also higher on a vert. Premiums are higher for obvious reasons but GM's cost, hence consumer cost, would be too high to make the coupe meet the crash and rollover standards without a b-pillar. Remember, the Camaro needs to appeal to the younger crowd who needs an affordable car in order for GM to sell enough to make it worthwhile. My guess is that along with a b-pillar, the Camaro doors will not be frameless as on the concept. We get a b-pillar, a rear window that won't open and a fully framed door thanks to the beaurocrats and the tough crash standards. :mad: