Which rear suspension?
 

Ok I know Lateral Dynamics makes the best rear suspension but I just cant bring myself to cut up the rear pasenger compartment on my 69 Camaro vert.
Right now I'm running GW Cat 5 springs but I'm thinking of going with either DSE's Quadra-Link or Alstons G Bar or just leave it as is?
Thanks for the help!

If you do not want to cut you only have one choice...........G Bar! You can install a G bar without removing any interior! Also the cost of the kit is the least of all the kits. Labor to intall is the least of all the kits. As for the 3 link being the best........Maybe in extreme situations, but the Air bar and Quadra link cars still run the numbers week in and week out.

We used all DSE stuff and it looks awesome. Very well engineered. Havent driven the car yet so i cannot comment on the ride quality but im sure it kicks a$$. It installs with very little intrusion into the interior (we are still running a back seat).

DSE all the way......:thumbsup:

Paul

like frank said. you gotta cut the car for the quadra-link also...

imo unless its a track car i would just stick with the cat-5s thier GREAT leafs

DSE Q link. Not even close.

G-Bar for me. Why street driven and cost. Plus easy to install

what about GMR?


jason

Another vote here for the Quadra link! We've run it with coilovers and shockwaves both cars handled incredible!

I'm going to pull the trigger:yes: ! Thanks to.........................;)

We have the G Bar and Quadralink in stock.

Quadralink all the way.

Spam! nothing there

Wrong Website address
 

Sorry, I missed the "s" with my one fingered typing!!!

www.maxgsystems.com

There set up looks great it was on muscle car a while back.But they haven't answer my 2 emails i sent and i don't know anyone that bought anything from them yet.

Heidts has a complete 4 link with coilovers that just bolts right in for a grand. This is what Im looking into for my 73 camaro. the only thing is that you can not mini tub the car. It only gives about 1" additional clearance but thats fine with me.

I know this is an older thread but there will be a new dog in the fight very shortly and it bears mentioning... the Chassisworks G-Link. http://www.scandc.com/alston.htm The G-Bar is a great system for touring cars and performs all out of proportion to it`s cost and simple design but the G-Link was engineered for serious cars with big horsepower and the very highest performance expectations. Unlike the Quadralink which gives you no adjustability or tuning options whatsoever (it`s preadjusted to do everything...heh) the G-Link is completely adjustable. It can be easily set for optimum auto cross or road course performance then in a few minutes dialed in to hook like a dedicated drag car. It also lets you minimize roll steer and optimize the geometry at many different ride heights, not just one. There are several different arm choices including both steel and billet aluminum arms with CNC machined delrin race greasable spherical pivot joints. There are two optional swaybars including a frame mounted (for less unsprung weight) adj. rate bar which gives you even more tuning options to get the car dialed in perfectly or a fixed rate bar (shown). It should be available in a month or so. The more preorders (no $ up front) we submit the sooner they`ll be available. This is still a no cut, bolt in package. FAB9 9" rears with G-Link brackets are also available as part of the package (shown). Mark SC&C
http://www.scandc.com/images/G-Bar-Billet_medium.jpg

Mark, I sent you a PM about this.

Brett's input
 

I put a G-bar in my 1973 Camaro and am very happy with it. It offers: easy install, a bunch of ride height adjustment, and about 1" of extra tire clearance. I have been autocrossing the car and drive it on the street a bunch and am happy with it. I also know that DSE builds nice stuff too. I wonder how good Lateral Dynamics is. What have they built? I see the DSE and Alston stuff under several high performing cars.

We are real excited about the new G link. The one in the pictures IS NOT the Camaro set up. I cannot post pics yet, but soon as they come out were installing one in one of our own cars.

What setup is shown in the pictures if it's not for a Camaro?

That is a Mustang set up. The way the Camaro link attachments will look much different.

We are accepting Pre Orders now at the orginal price. Alston has promised a price increase once units start shipping late November

More information here

https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=17418

It works, err, "good." The system is highly tunable, and has shown its capability against the competition, without fear.

The real question comes down to cutting the car, or not. If a customer is planning on mini-tubbing the car, etc, not wishing to keep the floorpans original, then there should be no hesitation in considering the Lateral Dynamics 3-Link. If cutting the car is not in the build plan, there are several options out there as the guys have shown. We will also have an option that won't require cutting as the 3-Link does, and it will also put performance as a primary design consideration, but we won't release until the design has been proven.

Cheers,
Mark

Do these kits bolt to the rear end housing using the leaf spring mounts or is there separate bracketry that welds to the housing to mount the lower arms?

They will se the leaf pads and you will weld the upper link mounts. Unless you choose a bolt in rear housing or rear. then they will have a lower link mount, no adapter, and will also have jig welded upper link tabs

Frank`s right, those are pics of the Stang G-Link. I have prototype pics of the real Camaro one but if I showed them to you I`d have to kill you. :P Chris and the crew at Alston really went above and beyond on this one and have put a huge amount of R&D,street and track (both road course and drag strip) testing time into it. The old G Bar for the Stang and Camaro were darn near identical but the Camaro G-Link is a whole different animal. The lower arms and link mounts are right as is the coil over crossmember but the UCA locations and upper cradle are much different. The new format offers even better geometry and a LOT more tail pipe room according to Alston. That`s good news all around. The one in the pic has the bolt on lower arm mounts. Weld on mounts are a $50 option and are the same ones they use on the application built FAB9 rears. There`s also two optional swaybars, one the axle mounted one shown and the other a frame mounted 3 way adjustable bar! If you`re not sure you want to run a bar right away you can get the brackets welded in the G-Link for $50 and get the bar later on. Fixtures are available for 10 bolt, 12 bolt and 9" rears to make the weld on axle mounts a no brainer and they`ll refund $30 of the fixtures cost when you return it (so you`re basically just renting it). The G-Link is a very trick setup! The preorder price only lasts until the first units ship though then they`re going up $200-$400 according to Chris so if you`re interested now`s the time to get your foot in the proverbial door. :yes: Mark SC&C

rear susp
 

I'm looking at the G-bar setup for my 69 camaro and would like to know if it will work with my mini tub setup?

Oh yeah, that is the advantage of buildiong a lot of cars. We have them in a bunch of cars we have done in the shop and more in customers that bought the set ups from us. We have cars running 335 / 30 / 18s and monster 345 / 30 / 19s. We have all the measurements for rear / backspace / wheels size / tire size down.

345 / 30 / 19s on this car with A Prodigy Bar with Shockwaves and DSE mini tubs

https://lateral-g.net/members/serafine/

Frank or Marcus, Anything adjustable like the G-link for a Mopar E-body? Please.......

Thanks,

Mike Staveskia at Time Machines has some Mopar stuff. Don't know much about it.

Can we Add torque Arm to the Poll?
I am on the fence on one side is the G Link on the other a Torque arm. I would be interested in see the TA added to the mix

As mentioned the G Bar and G Link both work great with existing mini tub kits.

There is a Mopar E body G-Bar. While it doesn`t offer all of the adjustability of the G-Link it can be run with an adj. rate rear swaybar and is an impressive performer in it`s own right.

Torque arm systems can work quite well. Their overall format precludes them from having much antisquat and limits instant center location and SVSA length though which can make them one trick ponys. They can still hook hard in a straight line but it general requires the rest of the car to have a more hardcore drag set up than a comparable adj. 4 link car to run the same short times. These are generalizations of course but it`s one reason they aren`t more popular. One nice thing about them is it`s almost hard to build a bad one where it`s very easy to build a crappy 4 link, just ask the OEs... :P Mark SC&C

Our background is in the stockcar industry, I am a big fan of truckarms, two long torque arms that use the weight of the car to create forward bite. A trackbar is used as locating device, and adjusted up or down to control body roll, forward bite, and effective sping rate. This rear suspension is extremely simple, affordable, versatile, but more than anything it is the most competition proven system availible.

http://www.metalcrafttoolsskillcente.../112707033.jpg
We use full floater rears as you see the truck arms are mounted solid to the rear.

http://www.metalcrafttoolsskillcente.../110707013.jpg
The truck arms angle back from a center crossmember to the rear end.

http://www.metalcrafttoolsskillcente.../082808015.jpg
The coil-overs are mounted on this car infront of the rearend

http://www.metalcrafttoolsskillcente.../102708005.jpg
We have mounted a D-M Products Rear anti-roll bar on this car for drag racing challenges.
The quick clips allow us to disconnect the rear bar for road courses.

http://www.metalcrafttoolsskillcente.../090308008.jpg
The crossmember has adjustable slugs left and right and these can be used to align or mis-align the rear depending on the handling characteristic you want.

The G link is much better in the performance aspect. DSE is the way to go if you can swing it.
I drove a camaro about 18 moths ago with a truck arm rear from Hotrods to hell, and it was the biggest POS. It rode fine but it's not a performance rear by any means.

truck arms rear suspension is not the same as a tq arm. 3rd and 4th gens use tq arm setups. its a tq arm from the tranny crossmember to the rear and uses a panhard to keep the rear center and uses two lower contol arms like typical 4 links.

Not a performance rear? This system has won as many races in the USA as any other system, even the fact that it is almost boob proof some boobs can screw up anything. Truck arms are in fact are torque arms solidly mounted in the rear the arms transfer energy by absorbing the initial shock under acceleration, under most systems this shock is transfered to the tires causing tire spin. Under braking the arms transfer the braking torque into the chassis pulling the car downward to the track.




www.smokinss.info

DSE 4 link.

Morrison 3-link direct-fit rear clip. But I'm biased :D

Seriously though, a three link that allows you to keep your rear seat AND greatly improves torsional stiffness. Or a proven triangulated 4-bar that requires no floorpan cutting. Easier to install than a set of reproduction rear frame rails. Definetely an option to consider...

http://www.artmorrison.com/gallery/v...maro-FrontClip

Yes very true. I don't know much about the tq arm though.

went through the same decision between the g bar and q link . am lucky enough to have a couple of friends with both set ups. i went with dse hands down the best thing i ever did to my car