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69 firebird update
well I am finally into primer. here are some pics. I had some 1/8 plate lazer cut for my rear panel accents. the lower piece will have a solid piece of metal behind it except at the bottom for the exhaust. As you can see in the photoshoped picture. I wish it was blue but it will be yellow. I chopped the drip rails and molded the side scoops in so they look deeper and smoother. My intro is in the intro forum. heres the pics
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...s/100_2076.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...s/100_2089.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...s/100_2085.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...drendering.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...s/100_2074.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...s/100_2071.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...s/100_2072.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...s/100_2068.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...s/100_2087.jpg |
I like that.:yes:
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Why will it be yellow, is it a customer car?
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yes, it is a customer's car, a cheap dirty customer, my redneck older brother. :D He likes yellow for some odd reason. At least it will be two tone with silver, and the yellow will be a metallic with pearl. not soooo bad.
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Help me decide!
I have a mod in mind for the TA wing. I have done a quick edit in photoshop showing the basic change. I want to compliment the shape in the rear taillight panel and bumper, as well as add a LED 3rd brake light. What do you like better? The way it is or the change. Also I have made some progress since these pics, just moved into my new shop a couple months back and have this in the next stage of primer, underbody is primered and undercoated with truck bed liner. looks great. this will be a driver so I didn't go crazy on the underneath. I have added a flush mount chopper style pop up gas cap to the lower honeycomb panel as well as made that panel match the shape of roll pan. I have also installed the mounting brackets for both rear panels and they look good with flush mount allen head screws. I have designed the rear tail pipes also, 2 1/4" x 1 3/4" oval pipe(not sure those are the exact demenssions but close), there will be 4 alltogether diving under the gas tank and up behind the honeycomb lower panel. It will be a dominent part of the rear view. I also plan on changine the headlight covers to be squinted and angled for a modern look and also add some to the front bumper to make it appear shorter in height and more aggressive. what do you think? I will post updated pics soon.
Thanks for your help! Original http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...s/100_2068.jpg Modified http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i.../taillight.jpg |
Looks great, Red lights would look cool coming throught tail panel accent.
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Great looking car but I prefer the spoiler without the drop in the middle.
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Leave the wing like it is and you should be able to find a wide enough strip of single- row LED's to graft into the back and leave the stock profile. I've seen LED's on street rods for turn signals that were COMPLETELY flush mounted with the fender.
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UPDATED: 69 Firebird
Well it has been a while since I posted last, moved into new shop, finished up some other projects. I have the bird in its last stages of primer, I have the bottom finished up and the firewall delete plate done. My brother decided to have me install tubs (I'm currently installing those) and we are going with the 4 link rear and tubular control arms up front with coilovers and everything on the stock frame. I have more pics I can post later of the rest of the parts. I have the rear custom plates bent up and the mounting places welded up, looks good all together. I have a few areas to work on with the wing and such but it is really close to being ready for paint. We are going with 2005 Lambo pearl yellow on it with Alsa spray chrome and satin black accents on the rear and top. I want to get a render soon. Anyway here are the pics.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...s/100_3379.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...s/100_3378.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...s/100_3377.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...s/100_3381.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...s/100_3372.jpg |
Great looking project! I really like the rear bumper fitment! Would you be interested in making any more of those rear panels?
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Actually I have been kicking the idea around of pulling molds for glass fiber pieces off the rear end lower area and a whole bumper plug. I also may pull molds off the front fenders for the scoops, I was going to make it from the bodline down and make a carbon fiber add on piece that would work with any fender with basically no modifications just stick it on. I probably should, the hard part is done on the car and I saved the files for the rear panels, pretty simple to reproduce. I still want to do some mods to the front end but time is running out as well as money. anyway, thanks for the compliments
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If your question is regarding doing more metal work on another one, I could definitly do that also.
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A 'glass rear bumper would be interesting... we're starting a '69 Bird project and the rear bumper sticks out way to far... I'll chat with the owner about some ideas. I'll keep you posted!
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Does anyone know of a very small hi flow muffler that is good quality? I am needing to get two lined up for the exhaust system. the way I am doing it requires small sizes to tuck up inside. I don't have exact measurements, I just wondered if there were some compact aftermarket one available. thanks.
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Here are some updates. I did this last night and it was gone this morning, weird,....anyway, agian.....
I am going to paint it the yellow the new camaros have. The gas filler is a chopper style pop open tank, never mind the bumper being loose, I didn't tighten it down for the pics. Here is a render I shopped to get an idea of paint scheme. I am finishing up the front end and DSE 4link and hope to dismantle and paint soon. Those aren't the wheels we are going to use. I stole them from a truck I had in the shop getting work done on the brakes. Just had to se it lay low. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...irdrender2.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...518091554c.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...518091553b.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...518091553c.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...518091553d.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...518091605a.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...0518091605.jpg |
so the blue with black would look so frickin cool I can't stand it. :faint:
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I have to say how impressed I am with this build. I love Pontiacs and always have. I guess now that the Indian is going to get killed off by GM, more folk will express their fondness for the brand. Keep the pictures coming!!:thumbsup:
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Thanks for the replies. I would rather it be blue too. but.......And the goal wasn't a TA clone, just liked the scoops and wing. What do you think of the stripes on the hood? You can't see it clear in the pic but I plan on a line drawing of a more contemporary bird (kinda grunge art style) done so faintly that you won't see it until close up, probably in pearl. anyway, I have to work on that render.
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Yeah, LOL.:lol:
Pontiac does run in the family tho- You see my Grandfather ordered a Bonneville conv. in 1967, he had ordered 2 before it, and just like having them, but my mom got married that year and he never let that car go. He only drove it in the summer and since he was a bachelor since my mom was 2 years old he just tinkered with it. He kept it garaged and well cared for. Many times he was asked if he would sell it and the answer was always " not for love or money". He never remarried and kept that car. It was perfect, he ordered it with a 428 ho and holley carb on it, not sure but i think it was the original, power top, ac, power windows...etc. navy blue with a baby blue top. anyway it was perfect until some lady hit him in a parking lot while he was stopped, it pushed him into the car in front and really messed up the rear end. That was in the mid 90's , Maco did a quarter panel replacement leaving 3/4 in gaps for the doors and nasty frame work. a maco paint job and the car was never the same. He still babied it and drove it in the summer. He passed away about 4 years ago. and the car has been sitting at my parents outside for about 6 years since he had to be cared for. I have the car now and am not sure what I will do with it. I would love to restore it or make it a lean mean machine but know how much money that cost and time it takes. starting a business is hard. and slow. We threw around the idea of using his 428 and tranny, badges and interior pieces in the fire bird. I would hate to desicrate it but at the same time, will I ever be able to do something with it? I have some awsome memories in that car, the sound of that exhaust rumbling through downtown Fort Wayne, when he picked us up because my little brother was just born. And waiting for that boat to appear coming down our long drive way. I loved to push the button to put the top down. The problem is that it has some pretty bad rot starting underneath, at least it is inside now. I thought using its heart and soul would be a really cool way to make that motor roar down the road again. The "Bonni-bird"! I think we will leave it untouched.....maybe:thumbsup: http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...d/CIMG0260.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...d/CIMG0425.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...d/CIMG0424.jpg |
That is a cool car.
Tough decision based on what you have going now. But if you just committed a couple hours each week, maybe 1/2 a day, that might work. Or, if you honestly don't have the time and/or money it might be best to sell it. Find someone who really likes that model Poncho and wants to keep it together. |
I've been following your build, and I think your work is great. I'm building a 69 T/A vert tribute and I noticed your photo shop of the rear spoiler light. This is my version on my car. I used a 3rd brake light from a toyota celica.
http://www.fquick.com/images/vehicle...7994245069.jpg http://www.fquick.com/images/vehicle...7994245070.jpg Looks like it came from the factory that way. Sam |
Very tough decision with the Bonneville, but here's my thoughts. With that much history and such high sentimental value, you will probably regret doing anything short of holding onto the car and restoring it at some point. Remember, once its gone, its gone forever.
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Great work!, I may be hunting down a light like that. I think everyone is right, selling is not really an option for me but I may start doing some renderings to see what the potential is. I love the front end and hate the side profile of the rear quarters but the tail panels is awsome. I thought about chopping the length of the quarters some and seeing what that looks like. I could still fit my s-10 in the trunk that way. LOL.
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Great work on the TA. I love 69 Ta Verts and this one is very sweet. Don't forget how we like pictures.
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wheels for the bird
Sorry for the double post!
We finally decided on the wheels for the Firebird. They are 09 corvette spyder wheels, chrome, 9.5x 18 in front and 12x19 in back. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...s/DSC00852.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...s/Firebird.jpg The tires are the new Generals 325/35 rear 275/30 front. I wanted to go with something way nicer and more custom on the wheels but we have a budget problem now that the economy went to the toilet. They will fill the car out well. We had a ford 8.8 rear laying around out of an explorer and the width is doable with minor spacers, It has 373 gears, and had disk brakes too. I plan on welding on some support tubes and making it look pretty with a new cover. NOT what we planned before! We are also deciding on the front clip. We will most likely go with a speedtech since we bought the wheels with their dimensions in mind. We have to get the spindles and hubs. What would be the cheapest price wise to get the spindles, should I go with 2" drop or regular, and the hubs to fit up with the corvette bolt pattern? We plan on using stock corvette brakes up front. This is getting out of my area of knowledge as I am a body guy. So I appreciate the help. Anyway, I have the last coats of primer on the doors and fenders. I may have color on them next week, Also the body is ready to get its last coat on monday. I am on it full time now so I will be posting updates more frequently. Later |
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I am interested in your rear end bumper as well as your modified scoops. Please let me know if you intent to follow through with this. What size are your side walls on your tires? Your tires and wheels fit nice. Did you have to modify your back seat with the mini tubes? Thanks for your help. |
Here are some more pics of the current state of the car. Last stage of primer on doors, fenders and body. I hope to get to color soon.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...Firebird15.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...Firebird16.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...9Firebird3.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...9Firebird8.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...9Firebird9.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...Firebird23.jpg Here is my solution to too much space in the fender at the bottom. Now I won't have to use shims. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...Firebird20.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...Firebird26.jpg I cut slits in the inside of the fenders where the scoops are to make a place for a metal mesh, something like this. I think I will have some cut to this shape on a water jet that matches the honeycomb panels on the rear, also the plastic inserts in the nose will not be square mesh but honeycomb. I will have pieces cut for them as well. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...Firebird18.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...Firebird12.jpg In order to get the cheeeep fiber glass wing to fit snug I had to remove the regular mounting parts and sand the bottoms so they sat tight on the deck lid. I put some 80grit sticky sand paper on the deck lid where the wing sets and sanded in the same plane so the bottoms match perfect. Then I epoxied bolts in, not what I wanted as far as looks go on the inside but I will have to come up with a creative solution. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...Firebird32.jpg Thats all for now. |
Looks good..
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Nice work!! :thumbsup:
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Very nice. She's getting there.:thumbsup:
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Big time fan of the '69 Camaro since I first saw them in 1968. But the unique styling aspects of the '69 T/A 'Birds really give them a leg up on the Camaro's IMO. No surprise takeoffs on the '69 T/A's are becoming more and more popular. Watching your creative build with a lot of interest. :thumbsup:
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Update!
Oh yeah,:yes: , didn't think I would ever see this day, this project has drawn on and on because of other restorations I have had. Here is a link to the one I just finished, not exactly a G-machine but it pays the bills.
http://www.binderplanet.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=87621 I just finished the last one I have in line and now I have to get this thing done so I can take it to some shows next spring. Glad to have color. not the color I had in mind but I can work with it. The pics don't make the yellow look as good as it does, it is the same color as the new Camaro. I plan on some 3 tone silver stripes on the hood and over the top to the trunk, not your typical racing stripes, kinda hard to explain so I will just have to show you, I hope to have something figured out by the end of the week, maybe. I already sprayed the dash and firewall semi-gloss black, I will get pics later. I have to spray clear tomorrow and then we will scuff and lay the stripes out and then 4 more coats of clear. I will get the other parts going into color next week. here are the pics http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...rcustoms13.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...rcustoms17.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...ercustoms2.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...ercustoms3.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...rcustoms12.jpg |
Nice.
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Nice work on the 'bird! I looked at the other site and read through the rets on the IH. WOW! Nice job on that too. I always wanted one of those Scouts. I do a lot of bird (grouse) hunting in the mountains and they are great rigs for the areas I go to.
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Since I started this build in the introductions forum I thought I would stroll down memory lane for those watching this thread, It is nice to go back and see the progress and remind myself of how crazy I am. It is also funny to think about building my new shop and moving down there, a little nicer place to work!
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...toms/fire7.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...toms/fire2.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...irebird002.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...s/100_3475.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...rcustoms/5.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...rcustoms/6.jpg I originally tried to talk my brother into blue but he insisted on yellow, here is the rendering of the back I did in blue, still looks better. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...drendering.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...rcustoms/1.jpg http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...s/100_1928.jpg I will post more progress tonight, just forgot my camera at the shop. I have color and clear on all parts except the wing. I will be laying down stripes this next week after assembly to make sure it all looks good together. Then one final breakdown and more clear. The speedtech front frame and all the goodies should be coming next week too. later |
Nice build I like the yellow. My buddy had a 69 Firebird back in the early 70's. It was yellow with a black vinyl top and Cragar wheels it was a beautiful car. This one is going to be sweet in yellow.
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