What is "Modern" Pro-Street?
 

What is "Modern" Pro-Street?

Big diameter hoops instead of old skool 15's.
Big brake upgrade.
Driver friendly suspension.
Engine with big power and decent (over 15) mpg's.
Its our specialty.
Here are two of our builds:

http://www.hotrodsbysteve.com/projec...a/100_2079.JPG

http://www.hotrodsbysteve.com/projects/67nova/12.jpg

Steve, that's exactly what I was thinking. Sean Dove's Vette is another perfect example.

Scott.. that is a FINE example. One wicked machine right there ! :thumbsup:

hmmm that nova looks familiar...its now here in Brisbane Queensland Australia:thumbsup:

Sure is :thumbsup:
The new owners name is Mark. Nice guy.... he changed it up quite a bit I hear. Glad hes enjoying it. Tell him I said hello.

The 20 inch mickeys are a great look,There are a couple of cars getting built with those tires that are new builds.I'm with you Steve,I still like the low and fat look:thumbsup:

so "modern" pro-street is basically pro-touring is it not?

No.
Show me a pro-touring car with a 33x21x20 tire on a 20x16 wheel. :)

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...s/misc/061.jpg

Now that's a tire.

Im using the 29"X18"X18" version of that tire (M/T street radial) on my 'modern' pro streeter project. And except for the 15 MPG (not important to me) I seem to be following the recipe mentioned. Goal is as close to 1g as is possible in handling, low 10 to hi 9 sec quarters. A/C, stereo and a comfortable and quiet (relatively) cabin. Remains to be seen how close we get.

This is modern Pro Street, huge engine, cage, wheels and all new technology. This car gets 5MPG and has over 800HP and is a blast to drive.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/j...ro/Img0008.jpg
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Im at a similar power level (~800 on the tire), but will be keeping the motor hidden under the hood. 542ci with a Procharger, EFI, etc. Manual trans (6 speed). Ride height might be a tad higher than that, but not much. Primarily because Im using taller tires.

Pics like that keep me motivated.

It is a very nice looking ride.

Where to buy that set up
 

That set up is what Im lookin for on my 68 Camaro. Will DSE mini tubs be enough or is this a back half job? I have all options open at this point, just trying to prepare.
Thanks

DSE mini-tubs will hold around 315-335 on most cars but if you're trying to harness 800 hp and hold the new Mickey Thompsons for a 20" wheel like Steve's pic, they are the very same dimensions as the old Pro Street tires or around 20x30 so a back half and big tall tubs will be necessary if you want it to sit down right.

Like Jason said, the DSE 'deep' tubs will fit a 12" wide wheel. Anything larger like the 20x15's will require a full back half like on this Chevelle Wagon.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...c/P0002368.jpg

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...c/P0002294.jpg

what size tires is that?

We use the same size tire for most of our 'Modern' Pro-street projects.
They are Mickey Thompson Sportman S/R.
Size: 31X18.00R20LT
Approved Rim widths: 15 / 16
Tire Height: 31.1 in
Tread Width: 15.7 in
Sidewall Width: 17.3 in

Heres a close up of another we did:
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...sc/fcrv176.jpg

love the look. Looks bad a$$

sweet

That a new thing big wheel and fat sidewall with big power.

Quick progress pic of my 'modern' pro street project. Cage is next.

SDMAN, what´s your wheel/tire sizes?

BTW, I appreciate if someone can share pics of 28"x12"x18" Mickey Thompson S/R radials. :hail:

My front tires are the shorter version. They are 12" wide, 18" dia but only 26.25" tall, not the 28" tall. The rears are the 18" wide, 18" dia 29" tall.

Front rims are 11" wide and rear rims are 15" wide.

Mini tub or full?
 

I am building a modern pro 68 Camaro. I just about have it stripped and ready for blasting. I have removed the floors and back half including quaters, roof, inside dash, complete rear package tray, etc.. I want to run tires like these and want to know if DSE mini tubs will work or get DSE full tubs. Im also looking at Lateral Dynamics new 3 link rear possibly using an Alston back half.
I was sold on a Totalcostinvolved front frame but it seems so many companies are coming out with some serious stuff in that area.
I want twin turbos and the new paddle shift option but my kids are too old to try and sell...LOL... so that will come last. I raced paddle shifter karts and if you have ever been in one of these karts coming into a corner at 80 mph downshifting at the wheel while having one foot on the brake and the other on gas.......TOTAL CONTROL and what a rush. :lateral:

Thanks Guys

You know Pro Street never went anywhere, just everyone has there head stuck up all this Pro touring crap that no one noticed anything else. Not that the pro touring cars arent nice but there are other styles. Pro Street is my fav and when you throw the new wheels, tires, big power whats not to love..

What killed 'pro-street' was the complete boredom. Same friggin car time after time. You had to have the mandatory BBC with a blower, totally unuseable suspension, fake wheelie bars, mandatory tin interior, circus wide tires, ludicrous paint job, et al. Yuck. Most of them, if they even ran at all, were the pits to actually use. And most of them spent their life on the trailer because if they ran, it usually wasnt for more than an hour at a time. It didnt start out that way, but thats what it morphed into. And 90% of them were 67-69 camaro's. That didnt help either. BOOORRRING!!!

Im not much into labels, but the 'modern' pro-street thing gives us a chance to go there again, and fix it. So Im not unhappy with this label. My project is currently getting an NHRA 8.50 cert cage and custom headers made. The headers have turned into quite a job, but the guy fabbing them is doing a very good job. Should be done by months end.

X2 WITH 2 MORE CENTS WORTH---WORST THING AFTER THE 2 PRO STREET TRUCKS I BUILT WAS THE HANDLING ON WET ROADS --LEARNED REAL QUICK WHY MOST WERE ON A TRAILER!!!:yes: :yes: LUV THE NEW TIRE & WHEEL TECHNOLOGY--MAKES IT A WHOLE NEW WORLD FOR THE BUILDER!!:cheers:

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OMG! It's a Mutant, but a very nice looking one.

How about calling it, Pro Steering?

or,

Pro Tosting?

or,

Trans-Touring? (In honor of Jerry Springer)

or,

Pro Bi-Streetouring? (For the Bretheren in San Fransico who lost on Proposition 8)

I give up, what do you think it should be called, other than Hot?

TY

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With front rims that wide, wht kind of turning radious do you have?

Ty

Have not actually driven the car yet. Still under construction. However, the front suspension is all C-5 Corvette with a quick ratio power rack (2.5 turns lock to lock). My front rims are a bit wider than a Corvettes (~1.5"), but I fully expect the turning radius to be the same as a Corvette given that Im using those suspension pieces. Turning radius is affected by several things, (steering arm length, pitman arm length, max steering box swing, etc) but rim width isnt one of them (at least as I understand it).

In an earlier version of this car, I had tall B-body spindles on the factory frame and A-arms, with the QA-1 coilover setup with 10" wide rims. The B-body spindles had longer steering arms on them, and that did noticeably reduce my turning radius.

Chris that's a crazy cool car! What's the fuel range, 50 miles? Even though it's a cool car!! :thumbsup:

Oh, what suspension? And is it a bitch to see past that motor? I know that was one of the issues with the tall motor cars.

I considered my fathers 1961 Oldsmobile to be a "modern pro street". It started as a prostreet car but luckily we got through to him. He got hooked up with colorado customs and installed a set of 18x8s on the front and 20x12's on the rear. I would have to scan the image out of a magazine to show the lips but damn they were huge. I sure do miss this car.... Rumor has it the new owner converted it back to pro street, such a shame as far as I am concerned.
http://images.popularhotrodding.com/...4-57)-OLDS.jpg

That would be a shame! Cool car!!

Thanks man he did really well with the car, was one of the top five finalists for street machine of the year, i just don't remember what year haha.

Cam Evans and I orchestrated this beast back in Y2K starting with an insane engine build. Back then, we conspired to build a coupla monster "cover" big blocks to stimulate newsstand sales of Popular Hot Rodding. The 638" Monster Merlin story did well, so a 705" all aluminum Monster Merlin must do better right? Somewhere in between, TF driver Tony Bartone stepped up to fund the whole deal--engine and car.
A Pro Streeter with NASCAR cup martinsville brakes, a C4 vette clip and overdrive? People didn't know what the hell we were doing. Outsiders thought we were nuts or stupid. But everyone involved was on the same page. The Bartone's are hardcore drag racers that also love Porsches and Ferraris. So they knew the deal:
Big brakes, slightly wider front tires, overdrive, fuel injection and the rest was pure pro-street. The 4L80E made the 4.56 gears work better. The front clip and brakes didn't hurt E.T., so why not run 'em? The biggest challenge back in Y2K was the rear tires. The car was actually mocked up/built on Pirelli Scorpion SUV tires while the search for tires continued 345/70-17!! By the time the car was done, the only reasonable available choice turned out to be Prowler tires at only 295mm wide. The Mickey T's make the whole deal work now. Modern pro street is way easier.
I just re-read the article for the first time since 2002. The car still looks fairly current. Read it HERE

http://images.popularhotrodding.com/...artone03az.jpg
http://images.popularhotrodding.com/...Bartone02z.jpg

Steve...... you know I'm diggin this.

Pro Street new style how about this

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/j...ro/Img0003.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/j...ro/Img0004.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/j...ro/Img0011.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/j...ro/Img0021.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/j...ro/Img0029.jpg

Pretty cool car, Fess.