A 67 Camaro @ Ironworks??????
 

Well we picked up a 67 RS/SS 3 weeks ago from Rich Allen in Martinez Ca. Since we picked it up we have made our own mini tubs so we could get the car to sit where we wanted. You will notice the radius is tighter then stock. It looks like a 315 may fit under the rear at the ride height we have. We got the Ls2 Rich had built a while back. We installed it and are looking to get a Procharger on this engine her in the next week. We have 2 plans that should get it on there with the Synister bracket systems. We got the subframe connectors installed today from DSE. The Mattison Radiator is a really nice piece. We also cleaned up the front valance and are working on tring to decide exactly how we want to modfy the bumpers. You will see the mods we already made in the pics. I would say we are heading in the right direction. I really dig the stance we got on the car and think we can get the exhaust over the axle pretty easy. We will begin building the exhaust here pretty soon and fine tuning some details before we get some paint on this Camaro....... This is kind weird to say that.

Rich had collected some of the very best parts avalible for this build and we are honored to be able to put this bad boy togther for him. He is trying to decide between either the Fikse 13 spokes or the 11 spoke HRE wheels. We will be running BFG rubber. It has ATS spindles on the front with Some Wilwood SL6's and SL4's.

Let me know how you think we are doing for some guys who weld the car to the chassis table to begin work. This seems a little strange to not order 10 stick of DOM tubing to start a project.

A Camaro at Ironworks? No..Say it isn't so? And to think most of us thought you only knew how to do Nova's :rofl: Looks great!! No doubt will be happy with his choice to give it to you guys!!

Brent

I will know at 8 am tommorrow, he has not seen these pics yet.

The stance is wicked! I'm jealous!!

The work on the lower valance is awesome. Looks clean and not overly done.

:thumbsup:

I think you guys nailed the stance.never heard of that kind of radiator.looks like a nice one.

Looks good Rodger! Like what I see so far!! Will you be using a front bumper? How about turn signal location? What's the car going to end up looking like...does Rich have a rendering done yet? Paint color, trim, ect?

Keep up the great work!! :thumbsup:

I made the 580 mile round trip to see Rodgers shop and the work completed over this past couple weeks. I have to say that every time I meet with Rodger I come away more impressed than before. The shop, equipment and the projects on the floor are beyond exceptional and speak for themselves.

A major portion of the shop is dedicated to fabrication while another portion is dedicated to clean work.

As far as my build, I let Rodger make all the decisions on the stance, tubs, valance and bumper work, I figure why tell an artist how to paint right?

Were deciding on the marker lights now... The car will have them we just
haven't decided what kind or where... At one point we were considering 69 style markers.

I'm thinking about a couple different colors, Rodger thinks a color similar to the military coating you see on Meziere water pumps with flat black hockey stripes.

Thanks again Rodger, you've given me that extra push I needed to complete this project. :cheers:

Rich

Awesome. Was waiting to see this thread get started! :thumbsup:

Well I think Rich liked what he saw..... There were no Nova parts on his car. We kept his car pretty much separated from the Big nova gang on the other side of the shop. I will start a link on my website with some more pics of the mini tubs and many of the other aspects of the build as we progress. Rich informed me today we just need to order the wheels and get the decision over with. Apparently he is not sleeping to well right now. HEHE

The next few steps will be the exhaust, Procharger and intercooler, and ordering the wheels.

It was great hanging out with you this morning, This project should be pretty interesting in the next few weeks.

Rodger

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rich

one hell of a group of parts you have on this car....1st rate :thumbsup:
looking good...
so what is the theme/look your going for ..???


radrambler

You guys look like you do some killer work but I have to ask why no pics of finished cars on your site?? Gotta update the site would love to see some final product from the looks of the project section.

To be honest.... this site gave me all the inspiration and information as far as the components I wanted to use but I got overwhelmed with work and life and the project got put on hold.
The plan for the build changes daily so if anyone has any good ideas I'm all ears, I'm lost as far as paint color and theme.

My car is just a pinto compared to the other builds in Rodgers shop. I'm just glad he had time to help me get it finished.

Rich

Well Brian funny you should ask. We started out doing Fabrication only about 8 years ago. We have probably worked on 150 cars in those 8 years. We have done tons of fab work for Customers who want to do more General Contracting. To other shops that will never share the glory and With someofthe work they did before or after us, I'mnot sure I want my name on it anyways. If a guy wants his car chopped and bagged and wants to swap out the suspension we can do only that for him. It has only been in the past few years that I have gotten some of the customers that come in our door and will allows us to to the work we do to the level we want and insist on doing to in every aspect. They want the wiring to look as clean as the chassis work. If I posted all the work we have done it would be a never ending list and some of them I would deny ever working on, not because of quality, but because some cars we have worked on have been just because you have to pay the bills. Plus I'm not sure I could afford the bandwidth for all that.

My thought has always been to show the work that "WE" have done and that represents what we do and the direction we want to go. We do not do paint and body in house, So I do not display the work we have had painted somewhere else. I work to display the high end sheetmetal work and chassis work that we do. As our shop continues to grow and expand we are working on focusing on more and more aspects of the builds in house. About 6 months ago we expanded our shop from 7800sqft to 10,000 and added a 2200 sqft final assembly room. Our day is coming when you will see all of the super ridiculous builds in my shop in full paint, chrome and leather. The majority of the builds we have going will take years to complete. Both because of the vast amount of work needed to complete and because of the customers pocket book.

As I look at the past 2-3 years I see where our fab work somehow went from doing these odds and ends to having some triple throw down projects. It seems like alot of the middle of the road projects kinds skipped us. We kind stepped right up to the super bright ideas catagory and skipped alot of the bolt togther builds. There are many shops out there that are paint shops that do some fab, There are fab shops that assemble cars and then there are fab only shops. The big time shops that really expand learn to do everything on every level of the build to the top level of quality. I think when we started building some of these projects that have a very aggressive stance and some super killer details, it showed that there is void in the market for that stuff. I get the call all the time asking how we got that car to sit that way, what parts did we install. Most people do not get what we do and to what extent it takes to build these projects. Ask John or Brian how much money it cost them to get their car to have a stance like it does and cram all the parts in there. I tell people everyday that for every inch you want to make car lower it gets infinitly more expensive. I truely do not think we could put anymore crap on Johns Nova. We barely have room for drivers seat any more, but gosh that car is awesome.

It is kind refreshing to put togther an easy project like Rich's car. We are still pouring our heart and soul into this build, just like all the rest, but the light at the end of the tunnel does not seem light years away. I think even Rich was amazed at how much work we have gotten done in only 3 weeks. I would like to be able to give this car back to Rich for Christmas, but only time and how much crap he wants on this car will determine that.

Did I answer your question, or just fly off at the mouth like usual?

Car is gonna be slick. Good choice Rich.

Rodger, well said in regards to the finished projects. I say stick with what got you and your company where you are Today. The fab is awesome. It's your art/trade. Plenty of body shops around but not many places that do all aspects perfect. :thumbsup:

Thanks Tom

I plan to expand as we get more and more aspects of each build down pat, so I do not have to do anything out side the shop. We have a brand new body and paint guy starting next week with 20 years experience in the lowrider scene and I'm feeling pretty good about him. Our final assembly and mechanical side of the shop has been coming along very nicely for the past year. I may be looking for another mechanic/wiring guru guys here really soon.

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what ever you do dont follow anybody on the paint scheme.
...i like the vinyl top.....everybody seems to take them off .thats why id keep it.
ill pm you...i have an idea

radrambler

I'm glad to see you guys are working on a Camaro. I am certain you guy's will work your magic on the car.

ps - so who is this Roger guy ??

I saw those tubs on Richs car. Those things are REALLY nice! I bet you can fit a 315 in them now! Nice job Rodger and Brycen!:thumbsup:

John

Hey John, It was great meeting you yesterday.

Your car is unbelievable.

Rich

Very nice stance. What kind of suspension(front/rear) does the car have?

I'm using the DSE control arms and QA1 up front with the G-bar in the rear.
Rodger modified the G-bar to aquire this stance.

Rich, what exactly had to be modified on the G-bar?

They moved the connection point of the upper shock mount to allow the car to sit lower and allow for a wide tire.

Hey Rich, nice project. Great shop you have taken it to.

Please post some motor specs. :thumbsup:

LS2 Crate (stock displacement)
Stock crank (reworked)
Jesel rockers, push rods and lifters
Comp cams custom grind
AFR mongoose heads (worked)

As it sits, this motor will be +-600 HP (flywheel)
I figure the procharger will add another 150 - 200 HP.

I'm using the stock rods and pistons..... I hate to send it out to have new pistons installed. What do you think?

Rich

Rich,
Keep the boost set around 5-7 psi...you should be just fine. Do you plan on taking the car to a track day? I will be watching this build. :thumbsup:

I posted a bunch more pics on my shop website today. I will continue doing so for the next few weeks as the build goes on. Hopefully:_paranoid

If you are gonna run a Procharger, don't you want to be able to put out more than 5-7 lbs of boost? I assume the is custom ground for the supercharger?

What are those stock rods and pistons good for as far as hp? I would figure 750-800 hp would be very dangerous.

Sounds like an awesome motor build that's for sure!

I need to make a decision right now, if I upgrade the pistons and rods then I will upgrade tyhe supercharger to the D1SC.

JE Pistons, rings and wrist pins : $ 875.00
Manley H Beam Rods $975.00
Callies Dragonslayor 4340 Crank $1500
Engine work: $1700?

I'm going to name my project "Just another five thousand"

Sheesh!

Just call it the money pit or fort knox...:D

Maybe we should paint it white and call it snow ball.

HO HO HO HO

Speaking from Experience these project can get out of hand really quick.

Make sure your draw that line in the sand and try to stay behind it.

However drawing the line in the sand allows you the luxury of constantly moving it forward 5000 feet at a time.

Seriously,

Rodger can you call that bad ass engine builder of yours and ask what kind of money I'm looking at for changing those three parts.

Remember, the guys that built my engine said it would hold up no problem but they didn't know I was adding a procharger to the mix.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure what the compression with the custom cam I have installed. The cam I used it was apecified by the guys at AFR and Comp Cams.

Engine work reminds me of fabrication.... it always takes a long time to get the parst and install them.
If we need to swap parts maybe we should rush the engine over to them as soon as the procharger brackets are completed.

Rich

Marty, if anyone knows it's you!

LOL

thanks man - it's all Kenny & Troy's fault.

Any pics & info on the DIY mini-tubs? Did you buy stock inner wheel houses & add some metal? I think that idea is a winner.

We bought a sheet of 18 gauge and cut the old tubs out to what will clear the G bar would allow and would give us the most room vertically. We bent a 90 degree flange formed it on the eckold to the old flange of the out wheel tub, then formed the inside panel to fit the opening, hammered the radius into the inside panel, shrinking it as you go. Then welded in a filler strip inbetween the flange and the inside panel. Tig welded the whole panel togther and metal finished it. We then trimmed it to fit, and welded it in place.

These tubs could be build with a regular hand operated lancaster shrinker stretcher, and a radiused hammer & dolly, the tools we have just speed up the process considerably.

Thanks guys, Like I have said before this kind of project is very easy and kind of motivating because the light at the end of the tunnel is so much closer.

Rich, I'd be worried running that kind of power on a stock bottom end.

If you are budget minded why not just run forged pistons and stock crank/rods fully upgraded with ARP hardware throughout?

I think alot of guys are running big power with this combo, but I would do some research first.

Sounds like a kick-ass motor though, oh yeah and the car is sick too! :cheers: