Lateral-G Open Challenge Event
 

This has really got my attention. We need to form a committe to layout rules, classes, and location.
I think we need to have at least 2 classes, one for bolt on mods, and one for tube chassis cars. I'd love for this to be an event for manufacturers to show off their products and vehicles, but it would be more fun to have the whole club involved.

So? What are we going to do to make this happen?

Tyler

im in!!! i think the rule suggestions should be contributed by everybody, and a selected group should be the deciding factor for what goes.

i think the first thing is to decide if its a one event deal... or a bunch of "regional events" with the winners goin head to head in a semi central location.

i really think it should also be a run what ya brung kinda thing.... exceptions being made for saftey concerns.... like trying to drag race a high hp car on normal street radials is as much a safety hazard as it is a hinderance to performance.


obviously everybody is startin the mad thrash before sema.... so the actual selection process and everything else should probably wait till after...when everything slows down a bit. but, i think we can all start throwin out the ideas.

Step #1 Finish our cars. (I'll need someone to float me about $35k) :yes:


I would toss out times in scoring the event and just assign points based upon order of finish in each discipline. That way if someone blows everyone away in the drag race he dosen't get a point's cushion to protect him in the road course, slalom, braking etc. It would prevent someone from building a one trick pony and require balanced performance. After all, that is the idea behind these cars is it not? Concievably someone could win the whole enchilada without winning an individual event if their car is consistantly among the top few finishers. I think that would speak to overall build quality (reliability) as well as the design and implementation of various systems.

1st - 5pts
2nd - 4pts
3rd - 3pts
4th - 2pts
5th - 1pts

Of course you could stretch the placing and points out if there are more participants.

This could be a lot of fun. I know there will be a really good number of us at the SEMA show, we should try to have a lunch or something to flesh this out a bit more. And you are right, SEMA is no doubt consuming a lot of people's time.

That said, there is an open track event right down the street from SEMA the weekend right after the show at Pahrump.....

Mark

Open track, or open road?

Have a "bolt-on only" suspension class... that would be cars using only bolt-ons, no custom fabbed stuff, other than maybe boxing a frame, and adding strength to weak points, etc. No tubs or mini-tubs, nothing that requires cutting and welding, etc.

award bonus points for amateur built cars. :unibrow:

A SEMA meeting would certainly get the ball rolling. If y'all do anything on the east coast and want some help, let me know. I put a pretty good time together here in Pigeon Forge for the protouring board. One suggestion, a get together that does not include competition is not a bad thing, especially for a first event. You gotta warm folks up to getting together before you can expect a large crowd to compete. We had a great time just bench racing, cleaning on our sleds and "driving" to dinner. Of course I live in a place that ain't bad for "driving" to dinner. :unibrow:

I'm all for it, I think it's a great idea.

IMHO, if you really want to shake down the cars and see what suspension setup is the best, I'd think you'd want the same driver in every car.

Count me in on the "bolt-on" only class... LOL i dont have the expertise to do anything fancy like you guys.

lateral-g event
 

guys my opinion


we should plan a get-to-gether event.an annual event that shows people the outstanding group of members and rides(steve can cover it in phr) right steve?..competition is great if you have enough ready and able rides ...lets try and organize a meeting of the members and cars and see what response that brings first....imo.....i think youll have a million opinions on a competition rules and it might get a nuts....and we all know (charlies rides will kick all of ours ass).
so SCOTT WHAT CAN WE DO? LATERAL-G MASTER!!!!!!

RADRAMBLER

we need to figure out what "events" would do a good job of showing a well rounded car. obviously drag racing, and a road coarse, would be the big events. skid pad testing is pretty easy to calculate, as is brake testing. a mandatory "cruise" could be used for determining fuel mileage.

the classes could be broke down into level of mods catagory. no-tubs, bolt on only parts(excluding items welded for safety...like s.f.c's) mildly modded, mini tubs, engineered suspension set-ups(complete reworked subframe instead of bolt on upgrades) then the unlimited class...where anything goes.

all cars must be true street cars, registered and insured.

We are in for whatever. I guess what I was thinking was a magazine quality put up or shut up head to head manufactures competition. My stuffs better the your stuff, JustBringIt! Maybe that could be done inside of a general membership competition to allow everyone to have fun. I say it is a open event, to many classes does not find a winner. Speaking of winner, what are we looking for?

In todays world, Scott would need to look at liabilities before sanctioning such an event.

Hmmm.. how could PHR be involved? Maybe in determining classes? Arbitrator?

Where would it be held?

Minnesota :D :D :D :unibrow:

Gee Max
 

MINNEWHAT?....HOW NICE OF YOU TO OFFER YOUR BACK YARD!!!! HAHAHAHAH
THIS WILL BE THE NEXT BIG HEADACHE........WHEN AND WHERE...

SOMETHING (CENTRAL U.S.) LOCATED WOULD BE GOOD.

I guess I could find something to bring out.. :unibrow:

A few years ago, there was a event called the Texas Triatholon. The first year, street tires only, autocross, road racing and drag racing. It was based on a points system and the best overal car won. The first year I won it in a bone stock '99 Viper GTS. There were about 40 cars and there were several cars faster then my Viper at the drag strip, but I won the other two events so I took the overall win.

I would be so in on this, there is nothing better than spending time in your car at the track.

If you want to have it here in TX. I could help getting tracks here..

SW

Scorekeeper?
 

Even though I still dont have a car, I would love to help out and be involved in this. Since I am a CPA, I can keep score for free if needed. (Not judge, just tabulate the votes.)

Even if you don't need a scorekeeper, I will try to make this. Sounds like a lot of fun.

Well, you're gonna have a lot of cars showing up in FLA for Power Tour, right. So why not run the challenge right before the tour and then? Take a nice leisurely drive up to Jersey.

Recently I've been approached by a magazine about Lateral-g being heavily involved with an event like this that currently in planning. I won't give any details because it's been discussion only to this point, but I wanted you guys to know that I think this is an awesome idea and I'll support it in any means possible and that there's a good chance that something like this might just happen. :)

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Car
 

Is there a section for posers?

I would think that something derived from what they do on TOP GEAR would be nice; at least for the manufactures/builders class. The only results that get on the board are those from the "stick" or what ever that guy goes by.

Make all participants sign a form much like the ones that are signed for activities like skydiving....."If anything happens it is your fault (the participant), if it is proven to be my fault (the sponsor) you (the participant) are liable for all expences resulting from incident."

:lolhit:

W.

i think different classes would be warranted.... otherwise why go. would i want to take my bolt-on modded driver 65 mustang to compete againt a full tube chassis barley street legal race car like my 34 truck.

keeping the classes very broad would be key, like i said earlier..... bolt on mods, engineered mods, unlimited.

the major downfall i see to a "hired gun" pro driver is...... why would somebody want to transport thier car 1/2 way accross the country, pay an entry fee...and watch somebody else thrash on thier car. however...if you supplied a driver with your car...who cares where they came from.

i would think this would be a "braggin rights only" kinda deal. in an effort to keep costs down. im sure there would be no shortage of volunteers to help with track work, tech inspections, and whatever else comes up.

i would think keeping the rules to a minimum... most of which would be pertaining to safety(tech) obviously there would have to be some guidelines.... but knowing these are all street cars.... i wouldnt expect to fallow nhra/scca rules to a "T".... just as a basis.

sooooooooo looks like texas is pretty much in the middle...and if SW has the hook ups....... then this sounds like a logical deal.

Guys, I do have the hook ups here. I could get Texas World Speedway for the roadcourse/ autocross and River City Raceway for the drag part..

I think this needs to be for "street" cars, not full blown race cars. Everyone should drive their own car..

Lets do it...

SW

I'd love to do Texas World in my El Camino. :yes: :thumbsup: That is,if SW promises not to do a 140mph 360degree spin in front of me again. :D :D
Man,that was wild enough to grow hair on a billiard ball.

:lolhit:

There needs to be 2 classes. "Aftermarket over the counter bolt-ons", and unlimited, Unlimited must be street legal and insured. You may even consider an invitational to intise DSE, ATS, and others to put their products up to the test.

TX would be good for me. There is also Hallet in Tulsa, Ok which is a good track from what I have been told. Thunder Valley in Noble, Ok for 1/4 mile.

I agree, some of us need to finish our cars first.

Mike

What's "bolt on" considered? Not being a pest, but rather trying to spur a small amount of dialouge. Out rear kit will be similar to some of the others that require some cutting and welding, but still retains the stock frame rails. Bolt on? New front subframe for unit-body cars? Tubs?

I think you are referring to the "Stig?" I have never seen the show, but I can tell you, after reading his book on how he clawed his way to drive F1 (the book is called Flat out, Flat Broke: F1 The Hard Way, it is a must read), Perry McCarthy ain't driving my car!!!! It won't take long to realize that having a race car driver offers goods, and "bads." I know a lot of highly capable shoes out here in So. Cal should the need arise (even met Boris earlier this year, turns out he lives 5 miles from me?!), and it's clear many others do too. Just remember, to us, our cars are our life. To a race driver, the car is merely a tool, and they treat them as such.

Timeframe? Our first gen is ready in a couple weeks, but the second gen is months out, probably ready in Feb/March/April?

Mark

I think Texas is good. I am all for SW hosting the first annual Lateral G Challenge! Prodigy Customs would put a few bucks in the winners pot!

We do a strret car drag race here in town every 2 months called the No Bull Nationals,NoBullNationals.com, where we get cars together, cruise 20 miles to the track, put names in a hat, line them up and shoot them down. It is pretty fun. We all put up 20 bucks, get $500 to $1000 in the pot, we change the payout, winner takes all, pay first 4 spots, etc.. We could do something similar here. Even have side pots. Some of the most fun at No Bull is watching the betting on the sidelines.

I am in
 

First and foremost I want a spot in the poser section with Stuart. Can we have that section with velvet ropes?

Second, Texas probably makes the most sense for a national event, but Road Atlanta sure is close to me and I bet we could partner with Year One since they have both Road Atlanta and the drag strip for the Commerce Challenge in April.

Third, my car is still a long ways out and I need to spend less time at work and more on my car to have it finished by March.

Forth, this could be one huge event with manufacturer support if you want to go that way.

I would certainly be interested in attending in this sort of event. I think it would be a ton of fun and a good way to meet a lot of the people from this and the Pro-Touring.com forum.

Being stuck in China, I have very few chances to get to any sort of motorsports events, but I really want to do one this year that would be fun as well as a motivator to get the car done.

OK, you twisted my arm... I'll drive the cars. :unibrow: :willy:

So we're agreed then, Minnesota it is :thumbsup: :D

Ooooo yeah.....Road "A"! :unibrow:

Being on the other side of the pond and never being able to participate :mad: I can still throw in suggestions.

In the discussions about classes I don't see anyone mentioning enginetype. I think you must divide between forced induction and normal aspiration. That is pretty easy to decide upon and then you can leave the rest. All our cars are basically built pretty much the same in other aspects.

You can't have to many classes this is just about who has the fastest car, right? And that is me :yes: :yes: :yes: :lolhit:


Jan

To me, I'd be more concerned with how my car actually performed, then to be worried about how I ranked among the other cometitors. I wouldn't care if the Mule showed up and spanked my ass in every category we can come up with.

I doubt there will be any kind of grand prize to win. Just braggin rights, and saying "wow, my car ran pretty good" or "I need to make some adjustments."

No classes. No hired drivers. You drive your car. If you suck, well obviously you could use the practice. :D

I'd be fine with just an event that got as many cars together as possible (which will be a challenge in it's own right), and put them through their paces. Simple as that. If people don't come becuase they're worried about being out gunned, then that's defeating the point of trying to organize such an event.

If someone doesn't want to run the road coarse or whatever, but do the other events, that's fine, at least they're there.

No winners, no loosers. Less pressure. More attendee's. :thumbsup:

Yup. I'll settle for just making new friends and leaving some rubber behind.

Bolt-ons meaning parts that are parts sold to the public. Parts from DSE, ATS, Lateral Dynamics (you to), 21st Century, Wayne Due. Sure not everything is "direct" bolt on and some fabrication may be required, but it is an engineered and marketed item sold to the public. One off homebuilt stuff not allowed even it is bolt on.

Mike

Mark M 66- Totally with you on that. More participants having a good time and enjoying good times.

No question that with my car, as the driver, I am the weakest link and I can live with that. If I embarrass myself, I would rather do it having a good time with my peers as opposed to at an autocross with a ton of hard core guys who I do not know and share little in common with.

Hope to see you and a lot of the crew there. :thumbsup:

Car
 

Hey SW, is there a place to rent a Ferrari or Porsche close by. That would be a kick to go out a thrash the track with those cars. That would be my choice. Bring it.

Hi Guys, as I see it, the rules are really straight forward to set up. It should be devided into two classes, normally aspirated & forced induction,....... period. ALL of the cars run bigger tyres, All of the cars run bigger brakes, All of the cars are set up to run better than stock, sooooo, the fact that one car runs tubular front suspension against a stocker isn't really a consideration, as the stock suspension arm car might have a bigger hp motor anyway, levelling the playing field. You really can get lost in trying to make rules to accomodate everything. Keep it simple, NA against forced !! If needs be then add oner more class for tube framed cars/SN65 style cars.This after all is supposed to be an enjoyable day out after all. hth :unibrow:

Remember.. if it is considered a "competative event" then that drastically changes the liability aspect of the event..

Also, it really won't tell you who's system is best since there are far too many variables like driver, tires, alignment, etc...

If car A beats car B is it because the front suspension was better or because car A had R-compound tires? Did B beat C because B is just a better driver?

Sounds a like a fun event and if it is not TOO far away you can count me in with Penny :)

Not nescessarily !!, don't mean to deride the Mule, but you might be surprised at how close the competition could be..........Besides, who said that BIG RED might not wanna show up !! :thumbsup: