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You need to know this..........
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Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009. Trying to slide one under the radar. |
Yeah, I have written to the entire CA delegation about this. Most didn't bother to even send an auto reply. Boxer & Pelosi both essentially told me to get lost and that they were supporting it. Feinstein (who once had a concealed carry permit in San Francisco....one of 5 people at the time) said she would support it.
You guys have GOT to do what you can to shoot this down with your delegation. CA is in the tank for it. |
OpenCongress Summary:
The Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act would establish a nationwide system for prohibiting unlicensed gun-ownership. If approved, the law would require gun owners to apply for five-year licenses to own firearms, and would give the U.S. Attorney General broad authority over the program. There are no co-sponsors to the bill, and there is very little chance it will be adopted. My permits have to be renewed every 3 years in New York City. whats the big deal? Am I missing something? |
i didn't read the whole thing but that is kinda what it's like here in Canada, you need permits to move your gun,and to buy a gun there is a back ground check,and blah blah blah......... you cant carry a gun arround, Legally any way.
and you know what????? not as many people get shot. what a concept only the drug dealers have guns and they only seem to shoot eachother, most of the time, and i'm ok with that my .02:cheers: different culture i guess |
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Thanks for the link to the former thread...
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It has zero cosponsors. I don't think it will go too far.
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In Wa. we have 5 year CCW permits. (concealed carry permit)
So we have to renew anyway. AND go through the background check for each firearm purchase. A long time ago, if you had a permit you could just walk in, show the permit and buy any gun and walk out. Now they look alot deeper before approving a purchase. It is the same for all legal firearms here, shotgun, rifle, pistol. But do any of you know ANY criminal that even tries to buy a weapon that way? So it really only lets our gov't keep tabs on the law abiding good guys and gals that choose to have a firearm for any legal reason. The bad guys and gals are not on the radar so to speak. They buy them from unknown sources with no record and grind off the serial numbers, use them in a crime and throw it away or re sell it to another criminal. Hey, It sounds like a great plan to me!! |
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It's all about baby steps to thier ultimate goal...
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Let me go find how the incidents of "hot burglaries" goes way up once the populace is told they can't have guns (ie, London). After all, a crook doesn't care if he breaks in while the people are home if he knows they are unarmed. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p...s-dungeon.html Quote:
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Crime in US going down.. in Europe going up? http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...1/266umtwb.asp http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1760781.stm Take away the guns.. and just get stapped... (do people actually think there was less violence before the invention of the gun?) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7508418.stm There's lots more.. but you get the idea. For some humans violence is in thier nation and having a gun just makes them more effieciant but no more dangerous. Having good law-abiding people armed has shown to reduce overall crime, it's a fact. Again, gun laws only effect those that want to obey the law and those are the people (generally) that you don't need to worry about. :) |
On my remark about CCWs lowering crime... (conceled weapon permits)
note, not an unbiased site.. but the idea is sound: http://www.azccw.com/More%20Facts%20&%20Statistics.htm http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2...ers/135349.txt Quote:
Again, the problem isn't the guns, it's who has the guns. For anyone that thinks outlawing guns will help then think about this.. are drugs illegal? yep, but that doesn't stop tons from being smuggled into the US. If they can bring in tons of drugs then bringing in "illegal" guns would be easy. And what criminal wouldn't love having a firearm when facing an unarmed population? Just food for thought. |
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I asked one of my friends on the police force why he thought this was and he said "All our criminals grew up around here, they know everyone is more than capable of defending themselves, for the criminals its a self preservation thing." I carry and am proud of it. I only laugh at people who make outrageous statements about gun crime and act like they know more about the topic when they have never actually had any firearm education (my girlfriend's sister). I then very calmly guide them to a computer and show them the information on Great Britain and that usually changes their tune right away. |
i fully agree with andy(marine71)
as far as any gun control goes its f-in stupid and youll rack your brain trying to figure out how anyone can actually think its a good idea and help the problem, yeah... since most crimes a commited with legal registered gun!:lol: criminals dont obide by the law now what the hell makes you thinks they follow by that one. if that was the case we wouldnt have drug problems. |
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Shiny Side Up! Bill |
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One last tid bit....if you think the cops are going to arrive to save the day just in the nick of time when that bad guy comes calling, you are sadly mistaken. Don't get me wrong they would love to be there and take care of things, but the reality is that they are busy fighting criminals in those places you avoid. The old saying of "It's better to have a gun in the hand than a cop on the phone" is true in a lot of ways. It is sad and I look forward to a time when I don't feel it necessary to have my guard up all the time. People....don't be sheep. |
Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away!
Shiny Side Up! Bill |
My arsenal is stocked and ready to go! I can promise you that I won't wait on a cop to get to my house. Business will be taken care of especially when it comes to protecting my family. Don't get me wrong, I don't ever want to be put in a situation like that, but I can promise you that 911 will be called AFTER the damage is done if I am.
The problem is this pathetic judicial system we have. It's pitiful and only getting worse. We'd rather slap someone on the hand than serve them rightful justice. Most of these criminals have a better lifestyle in prison than they did at home! Here's an idea. Cut out the a/c, 7 course meals, and all other privelages these thugs get from our tax dollars and treat them like they treated others. We live in a CLUE IMPAIRED society and if Americans don't wake up pretty soon our poor children will never see the real beauty of this "once great" country. All they'll see is they're freakin' paychecks taken from them from this bonehead government along with their freedom. WAKE UP AMERICA! It's slowly happening before your very eyes! Whew, I feel better now! Sorry, but I just really get worked up over the direction this country is headed. |
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Other than that you are spot on! :thumbsup: |
The sad part is that if you shot someone in your home (say in the leg b/c you didn't want to kill them) our lovely legal sytem would make sure that the guy you shot was living in your home the when he got out of the hospital.
I hope I'm never put in that situation, really! |
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The 911 deal is a good back-up.. give warnings, sound scared and be sure to empty the weapon into the assailant ;) |
Expecting a carjacker or rapist or drug pusher to care that his possession or use of a gun is unlawful is like expecting a terrorist to care that his car bomb is taking up two parking spaces.
Criminals are counting on the fact that their victim is unarmed. No one likes to be shot at, especially criminals, so they like to prey on the helpless. If law abiding citizens are allowed to play with criminals on a level playing field crime rates would drop so fast it would make your head spin. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -Ben Franklin I carried a firearm daily in Vegas. I've seen some bad things go down there, beatings, stabbings, robbery etc. I've never seen a police officer arrive in time to prevent any of those things, and every victim was unarmed. I wonder what would have happened if every victim was armed? Maybe something like this? http://www.wsbtv.com/news/19365762/detail.html Quote:
http://corner-carvers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21233 Tyler |
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i agree 100 percent shoot to kill of you must shoot. "dead men tell no tales" |
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I love facts 90+% of the time shooters are within 7 feet of each other. 90+% of the time the shooter misses (within 7 feet of each other) Most shooters know each other and 50% of the time are related. After you fire that 9mm at night, you are going to be blinded for at least 30 seconds. 40caliber has less flash. If you don't fire a gun regularly the sound alone will stop most people as their mind tries to process whats going on and when and where and how to react (am I the shooter or the shootee, do I run or walk, am I the aggressor or am I scared out of my wits) If you think you're going to fire a hand gun down a dark hallway, at night, in your unders, and kill an intruder, think again. Buy a shotgun. If you point a shotgun down the hall and pull the trigger, you have a much better change of hitting your something and maybe even your target. The universal sound that everyone, and I mean everyone knows, is the sound of a shotgun cocking, that sound alone will scare most people away, intruders, your girlfriends ex-boyfriend, even dogs. In Washington DC it was illegal for gun ownership, and they had the highest rate of gun deaths in the country. Chris Rock said if bullets were $5000 a piece there would be alot less shootings. Have you noticed the shortage of bullets lately, and the price, think about that... Mick |
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Joe Horn from Texas kills two intruders.
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Might sound odd coming from me but Mr. Horn was not justified in this shooting. Though I believe he was eventually cleared of the shooting, he put him self in harms way by leaving the safety of his home. He was right to call 911 and report as much info as he could. It was a VERY short time from the moment he pulled the trigger to when the police ordered him to get down on the ground. Even then he was uncooperative saying no at first. It sounds like Mr. Horn was looking for a reason to shoot these guys to me. Just not very smart about it. Hey if you're going to screw up....at least make a good tape.
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Well lets put it this way somones gonna steel your car i confront them with a gun a warn them "if you move your dead" and they move im shooting because i dont know what thier intentions are they could be reaching for a gun or running at me would you see it justified? Iam a firm believer that this sent a strong message to robbers that if you try to steel you might just lose your life.
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Now if you are walking back from the mail box and they are driving off in my car and try to run you over as you yell at them....pull out your 45 and fill the windshield with holes. At that point it's self defense. :cheers: So when are you buying the house next door? |
I re-read my post and realized I didn't answer your question.
If you confronted a person (or persons) who where stealing my car and ended up shooting them would you be justified? In my opinion...NO. Reason being is you put your self in danger and you are not on your property. Now if you catch a person (or persons) stealing your car and you confront them would you be justified? In my opinion....YES. Reason being is they put you in a position where you where forced to defend your self and or family. If you did see someone stealing my car, I would hope that you would do whatever you safely can to help. Number 1....be a good witness!!! Get all the info you can. Description of the thief's, what they are wearing, hair color, height, race, etc. License plate, make and model of all cars involved...especially mine. Listen to the the 911 operator and answer all their questions. Know what to tell the 911 operator to get things moving faster....best thing you can tell them is that the guy has a gun. Yell out the window at the thief's..."I've called the cops" kind of thing. Yeah it sounds goofy but if you know you've been spotted you'll run. (ever get busted T-Ping the neighbors house as a kid?) Last lil bit....Let's say you witness a man force my wife into my house or you witness someone break into my home and you know my wife sleeps during the day. You grab your gun, enter my home and shoot the guy who is beating my wife or worse. Are you justified? Yes and I hope you kill the guy ten times over. However...just remember to grab your cell and dial 911 if you have time. If nothing else the call will be recorded. |
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