Empty Nest, Guess your price
 

Hey every body, Numbers are looking real good this year for PT cars. Lets see who gets the closest bid. Franks done alot for me and other members of Lateral G. wish him the best of luck

My bid is $195.000 Considering the groud is really boosted up and prime time.

167.000

Not a clue. I didn't have a chance to watch yet today. Did it go through yet?

Coming up!
http://www.speedtv.com/stream/barrett-jackson/

3 cars away LOT 702 on Speed you have time turn it on. Its a great car but its a Pontiac not a Camaro so this will tell what the Pontiac can do. We all know what the Camaros do but the Pontiac usually dont pull anything close to them. Best of luck to you Frank

that skylark had a brake light out anyone notice that?

Just sold. 85k. I am shocked!

Sold for 85K

85k:mad:

What a Deal!!!

Agreed. I would think that is a steal for that car.

Its a Pontiac not a Camaro, no matter how much money you spend on a Pontiac its still a Pontiac. Camaros hold their value much better

I understand that Chris. But that is a pretty special Pontiac. I just thought it would bring much more, but then again I am no expert.:cheers:

Hey I am not knocking the car in any way its a great car and the guy that won got the better end of the deal if Frank did not buy it back. I would have not sold it for that and bought it back. He lost big time if it really sold.

I have been building high end cars for many years and I alway tell guys the same thing. Unless you have more money then you know what to do with build a car that everyone wants so that if you go to sell it you can make some good money on it. If you want a Pontiac and have deep pockets then build the car you want. If you are looking to build a car and drive it for a few years and sell it buy what sells good.

When you build a car for yourself and enjoy it then the sell is not as important as Frank used this car to help him with advertisment for his shop over the last few years. It did very well for him so in the end he wins no matter what.

I am sure he would have wanted more but that is how auctions go.

Sorry -- I personally was shocked it sold for the 85K bid... but what the heck do I know.

Not the quality by the way -- but the 'looks' of the car... just weren't "pro touring" to me... So maybe it was too "tweener" -- between SHOW/CUSTOM/PRO-TOURING...

Sorry Frank -- I know it was your "build" -- but everyone has a bellybutton and an opinion. :(

The quality of the build showed = even on TV... and that says something about Franks work -- it was killer quality.

I didn't think you were knocking the car at all. It is hard to get the right "tone" of a conversation through text alone. I do get what you are saying about the value, the use of the car, the price and how the auction works. I also understand how the car helped get Prodigy noticed even more.
I was just thinking it should have brought more. If it was a sale to another buyer then they got a serious deal. I don't think I would have sold it for that either.
:cheers:

I just spoke to Frank. He's doing OK with it. Obviously he was hoping for quite a bit more -- but was prepared for less. He did mention that if it was a Camaro it would have pulled quite a bit more.

I agree with it only being a Pontiac, and they only bring so much.

But you're sort of contradicting yourself. If it's only worth so much, why would you want buy it back, pay all those fee's, and then be in the car even deeper then you were from the start? Where else would it bring more? All the pro-touring cars, and poser pro-touring cars were bringing good money at the event.

I think Frank will be happy. Its promoted his business, he got hooked up on a lot of the parts. I would bet he made money on the car. Now to the next project! Whats next!

If that really is a new owner they just robbed the bank on that buy...... Frank's work is excellent as usual and the car should have brought substantially more money than 85K

The motor in that car was worth north of the mid forties.... The Block was an aluminum IA II and the machine work done was amazing (had a conversation with Frank recently about that very subject)....

:-( guess it really is a sigh of the times......

Funny.... I was with a couple "newbs" today at a swap meet - we discussed some of the "odd ball" cars there for sale. I was trying to explain to them - that it cost the same money for motor rebuilds - paint - interior - wheels etc to do the odd ball -- and sometimes because of parts that are unavailable - might actually cost MORE to do than one of the bellybutton "popular" cars...

I don't think they got it -- but I tried. All they could see was "it's rare" -- or "it's cheap".... And I kept telling them --- YEAH -- it's rare because nobody wanted it then either... and NO -- it's not cheap when you lose your azz on the sell side... and pay more than it was worth to fix up.

Of course the "rare" comment is for the "not really so rare" cars such as a Rambler -- or some odd Ford etc... I'm not talking about the ULTRA really rare cars such as a 1 of 69 - or a 1 of 16 car...

But no matter what you spend on an Edsel -- it's still an Edsel.
:lol:

No, not really.. other cars like II Much when for WAY MORE than expected.

Frank just didn't have two heavy hitters to bid.. just a bad break.

For those that missed it.

Empty Nest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBq-wtW1cqE


http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...&aid=303&pop=1

This is the single biggest factor in how low or high a car goes for at BJ!

No question about this fact - it takes TWO to make an auction... but then again - you have to ask yourself why there weren't TWO people that wanted it.

One of the newbs I was with today says -- I don't want those Torque Thrust II's -- EVERYBODY has them...

To which I replied -- "why do you think that is? Ya think maybe it's because EVERYBODY likes 'em?"...

Sometimes it just doesn't "pay" to be different...

Two chicks in a room -- one is the cute hottie -- the other well... not so hot... which one does everyone want? Now... do you no longer want her because everyone else does?

I rest my case. :captain:

The not so hot one might be wilder cause she doesn't get it as much... :thumbsup:

Your Mother just called - go to your room and do not come out until she says so!!

You a baaaaaad man!!

:willy:

I was also really shocked to see it only fetch $85K. It's truly an amazing ride and great representative of the builder's capabilities. BJ was really working that auction hard too, delaying and delaying, but as someone else mentioned, they just didn't get the interest at that particular moment. I've seen Pontiacs fetch some nice prices, especially the 69 and 70 TA's and the 73 and 74 Super Duty TA's, so I wouldn't bash Pontiac too much! With highly customized cars like this bird, it can be exceptionally and hit and miss when it comes up on the block. Only an hour or so earlier a '67 Camaro Pro-touring painted with a solid cobalt blue brought $102K and it wasn't anything overly special. It just was fortunate enough to get a bidding war. Even the commentators were a bit stunned that it fetched $102K. It's both funny and sad to see how things work at these 'no reserve' auctions. I truly feel for the sellers who get short-changed, but that's the chance they take.

I did notice one of the brake lights was out. Maybe the driver didn't push on both brake pedals at once.

Whoa! I cannot believe that blue 67 brought over $100k! Makes me, and prolly many others here, want to put theirs into BJ.... I am seriously contemplating going to BJ when it is time to sell.

The fact that that car brought almost 20k more than Empty Nest just shows how crazy this auction really can turn out!

No, it shows how much more popular a Camaro is over a Firebird... :)

Steve, that's a given. But that Camaro can be built for less than what someone just paid and that speaks volumes to me.

I was at the auction. A nearly new Ferrari went for 77k 2 cars before Emptynest. I felt a bad vibe in the air before the car went across the block. It takes two to tango. That car was at 80k in literally 30 seconds and stalled out at 85. What a steal somebody got. I didn't have the heart to call Frank. That car was built for Lisa and I feel a little on the personal side. While a beauty not really mainstream in my opinion. With that said, on a different night it could of went for double...... Who would of bet on John's car going for more money? Nobody
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...ck1969/022.jpg

But you're paying for more than that sometimes.. lets say you could build that car for $90k.. But you would have to wait a year or more to get it.. you would have to hassle the build and then you would have to shake down the car.

This is instant gratification.. you want a '69 pro-touring car on Friday.. you buy it Saturday and you're driving it the next week. Some people are willing to pay extra for that luxury.

Without seeing the car in person it's hard to know the quality.. if it's high then it might be in the $100k range to have someone build it. These cars up fast.

Yeah, 80k seems on the low side for that build. (In my opinion, anyways.)
Unfortunately, a lot of people do not know/are familiar with a "real" pro-touring car. They think a good set of brakes, an LSx engine and some nice low profile wheels/tires and they you go!! You got yourself a pro-touring car.:_paranoid
This car was BEYOND that, as we all know. It was a true pro-touring build.:thumbsup:

Hey guys. just so everyone knows. The day I started the build on that car I knew it was a Firebird and would have half the value of a Camaro. But we wanted to build it because we knew it would be beutiful, and that it was.

So when John and I decided to come here we set kill ourselves numbers, OK numbers, and really happy numbers. I was prepared to buy it back at $50k, At $60 would not be happy, but would not kill myself. And thought it would do $80k to $100. My DREAM number was only $125K. I knew being a Pontiac it would not do the big numbers some predicted. When i saw the number like $150K, $250 on different boards, I sure as hell could not say that and kill my own auction before the sale. But I thought unless it was a total fluke, I thouht $125K was the end of the world because it was a Pontiac. Pontiac guys are mostly original guys and have not embraced the car, and I knew that going in.

Sure I would be happier with more money, but I am good. Like I said, it is Firebird, not a Camaro. It served its purpose, and I am completely OK. And that money is more then enough to build another car.

I will say this was a 100 things to do before you die experiance. When you roll up there you are at the mercy of the audience, like being in front a jury! One of the most exciting things I ever have ever done.

I honestly believe I put it in the right atmosphere at the right time (considering current times) and I believe it brought the most money it would, and I do not have to spend 2 years advertising it.

In closing, I am heading home Tuesday and will try to buy a Cobra (killer replica) with a 427 side oiler in it to take to Scottssdale. So yes, I am happy and have the feaver now.

So please, no pitty party. I am just fine.

Glad to hear your positive take on the situation. It really is a beautiful car. Like you said, time of the signs.

Being the promotion freight train you are, you understand better then anyone this was never built for profit. I absolutly knew it would be half the value of a Camaro the minute we rendered it. It was one of those cars we had dreamed up, that we wanted to see done, that Lisa wanted to have for a while, and put it on our list of 100s of cars we have owned. Lisa like myself has a short attention span for cars. We got to see it finished, and got the promtional value from it. Even selling the car was promotional, PT had more people signed into one thread at one time then ever before on the thread over there. We got to leave the Prodigy Customs window banner on it (never happens at BJ but negotiated up front), handed out 300 brochures for the car and 500 brochures for Prodigy Customs. I have potential builds and a couple new parts customers, other builders and public.

So while for obvious reasons I would have loved more money, in the end I call it a win and will start another right away that probably won't make money.

Frank I here ya but it still sux!! $85.000.00 :( Man someone just stole a beautiful car!